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  Telegraph book? Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2021-12-04 16:30 +0100
    Telegram [not Re: Telegraph book? Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2021-12-04 17:10 +0100
      Re: Telegram [not Re: Telegraph book? piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-04 19:30 +0100
        Re: Telegram [not Re: Telegraph book? Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2021-12-05 01:10 +0100
          Re: Telegram [not Re: Telegraph book? piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-05 01:30 +0100
            Re: Telegram [not Re: Telegraph book? DH <dhaude@posteo.de> - 2021-12-06 09:40 +0100
              Re: Telegram [not Re: Telegraph book? Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2021-12-06 12:20 +0100
                Re: Telegram [not Re: Telegraph book? piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-12-06 12:30 +0100
    Re: Telegraph book? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-12-05 19:50 +0100
      Re: Telegraph book? Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2021-12-05 21:10 +0100
      Re: Telegraph book? Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-12-05 21:30 +0100

#242675 — Telegraph book?

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I just got interested in Telegraph as a possible comm thing to complement
to (or replacement for) email for my college class.

Does anyone know of a decent tech book or other resource describing it?

Thanks.

-Tom

P.S. I also just noticed Debian has some Telegraph interfaces I will look
into.

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#242676 — Telegram [not Re: Telegraph book?

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On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 09:29 Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just got interested in Telegraph as a possible comm thing to complement
> to (or replacement for) email for my college class.


Telegram, sorry. My dad was a telegraph operator for a railroad in the old
days.

-Tom

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#242677 — Re: Telegram [not Re: Telegraph book?

On 04/12/2021 15:59, Tom Browder wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 09:29 Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com
> <mailto:tom.browder@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I just got interested in Telegraph as a possible comm thing to
>     complement to (or replacement for) email for my college class.
>
>
> Telegram, sorry. My dad was a telegraph operator for a railroad in the
> old days.
>
> -Tom

Hi Tom,

You want to use Telegram messaging instead of e-mail for your college
class? That's no problem at all. Just install "telegram-desktop" package
in your system and register an account. Make sure you use Telegram
version 3.1.1 (from Bullseye Backports) or newer (when using Testing, or
Sid). Older versions (in Buster and before) are not supported any more,
server-side.
You can create a group and add your students. There is no "tech book" or
resources to read, because it's so easy. If you fail to create a group,
just ask one of your students I am sure they will be happy to do that in
like 2 minutes.

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#242678 — Re: Telegram [not Re: Telegraph book?

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 12:26 piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> wrote:
...
> You want to use Telegram messaging instead of e-mail for your college
> class? That's no problem at all. Just install "telegram-desktop" package
...

Well, the interfaces I've seen don't look very organized (I should
look at the Deb app before I comment).  I also want to automate
read-only, outgoing msgs when I update my website.

Note I meant to say "classmates" who are in their late 70s mostly, and
a few in their early 80s. I would say at least a quarter of them
aren't techy regarding smartphones and modern apps. Some have to
struggle with spreadsheets, and our brains are slowing down, so I need
to approach this carefully. That's why I want to do some more
research.

Apparently there is a second edition of one of the Python cookbooks
that discusses automating Telegram, so I was hoping to find a Debian
user familiar with it to see if it's worth buying.

Thanks, Piotr, I will have to do some work with my Buster
laptop--perhaps it's time to upgrade.

Blessings,

-Tom

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#242679 — Re: Telegram [not Re: Telegraph book?

On 05/12/2021 00:04, Tom Browder wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 12:26 piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> wrote:
> ...
>> You want to use Telegram messaging instead of e-mail for your college
>> class? That's no problem at all. Just install "telegram-desktop" package
> ...
>
> Well, the interfaces I've seen don't look very organized (I should
> look at the Deb app before I comment).  I also want to automate
> read-only, outgoing msgs when I update my website.

Telegram Desktop interface is very well organized (not by default). Just
make sure to enable folders, to separate groups, channels, contacts,
non-contacts, bots etc. to separate folders. This is client-side
setting. Make life easier to heavy telegram user.

> Note I meant to say "classmates" who are in their late 70s mostly, and
> a few in their early 80s. I would say at least a quarter of them
> aren't techy regarding smartphones and modern apps. Some have to
> struggle with spreadsheets, and our brains are slowing down, so I need
> to approach this carefully. That's why I want to do some more
> research.

In that case I can't help I think. If it's people in their 70-80s, I'd
stick to e-mail solution, they are most likely more familiar with it,
and totally unfamiliar with Telegram. They will be completely lost
there, don't they?

> Apparently there is a second edition of one of the Python cookbooks
> that discusses automating Telegram, so I was hoping to find a Debian
> user familiar with it to see if it's worth buying.

I am still not sure what you want to automate on Telegram, when to my
understanding that will be some read-only (channel) or low-frequency
(group) chat with few people in their 70-80s.

> Thanks, Piotr, I will have to do some work with my Buster
> laptop--perhaps it's time to upgrade.

Sure :) When you upgrade do Bullseye, make sure you enable
bullseye-backports repository and install Telegram via "sudo apt install
telegram-desktop -t bullseye-backports", otherwise it won't work,
version in main repository has been obsoleted server-side. Once you
install Telegram from backports, it will be updating itself nicely
alongside with rest of the system.

> Blessings,
>
> -Tom

Good luck!

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With kindest regards, Piotr.

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#242713 — Re: Telegram [not Re: Telegraph book?

Am 05.12.2021 01:20 schrieb piorunz:
> I am still not sure what you want to automate on Telegram, when to my
> understanding that will be some read-only (channel) or low-frequency
> (group) chat with few people in their 70-80s.

I think he wants to automatically send out messages into that 
channel/group when some event happens on his system/website. I have no 
idea how so make that work.

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#242716 — Re: Telegram [not Re: Telegraph book?

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On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 02:39 DH <dhaude@posteo.de> wrote:

> Am 05.12.2021 01:20 schrieb piorunz:
> > I am still not sure what you want to automate on Telegram,

...

> I think he wants to automatically send out messages into that
> channel/group when some event happens on his system/website.


That is correct. When I publish a news item, currently the act of sending
the updated home page to my server also sends out a tweet. I would like to
add an IM to the mix for those with IM-capable phones.

-Tom

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#242717 — Re: Telegram [not Re: Telegraph book?

On 06/12/2021 11:11, Tom Browder wrote:

>     I think he wants to automatically send out messages into that
>     channel/group when some event happens on his system/website.

> That is correct. When I publish a news item, currently the act of
> sending the updated home page to my server also sends out a tweet. I
> would like to add an IM to the mix for those with IM-capable phones.

You should said that in the beginning. I do that in Telegram. I have my
channels and bots, where scripts post things.
You want to do that in python. It's very easy. You can have your first
bot in maybe 30 minutes, that include learning from zero level. There is
plenty of tutorials, look:
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=how+do+python+bot+telegram&ia=web


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With kindest regards, Piotr.

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Tom Browder (12021-12-04):
> I just got interested in Telegraph as a possible comm thing to complement
> to (or replacement for) email for my college class.
> 
> Does anyone know of a decent tech book or other resource describing it?

Even if Telegram has a Libre implementation, it still relies on
centralized servers operated by a private entity hoping to make profit.
For this kind of use case, I strongly urge to rather use something that
enables you to run your own servers.

The obvious answer for this is XMPP, aka Jabber. Installing a server on
Debian is very easy with the prosody package. 

The Matrix project is supposed to be some kind of successor and
extension. In theory it looks very promising: syncing conversations
between devices and other interesting features. But last summer I tried
installing a server with the packages in Testing and it just did not
work, some kind of --generate-keys option was silently ignored and then
the server refused to start for lack of keys, so I did not experiment
further, but I intend to.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 12:48 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> wrote:

> Tom Browder (12021-12-04):

...

> Even if Telegram has a Libre implementation, it still relies on
> centralized servers operated by a private entity hoping to make profit.
> For this kind of use case, I strongly urge to rather use something that
> enables you to run your own servers.
>
> The obvious answer for this is XMPP, aka Jabber. Installing a server on
> Debian is very easy with the prosody package.


Thank you, Nicholas! I will look into it.

Blessings,

-Tom

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#242701

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On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 19:48:17 +0100
Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> wrote:

> The Matrix project is supposed to be some kind of successor and
> extension. ... then the server refused to start for lack of keys, so I
> did not experiment further, but I intend to.

I am also interested in the Matrix project. I also couldn't get a
server running on Bullseye this summer. I will be interested in your
progress.

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