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  why Debian? Thanos Katsiolis <kls.thanos@gmail.com> - 2021-11-14 14:00 +0100
    Re: why Debian? Karthik <karthikgatiganti@gmail.com> - 2021-11-14 15:00 +0100
      Re: why Debian? phoebus phoebus <frphoebus@yahoo.fr> - 2021-11-14 15:20 +0100
      Re: why Debian? Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2021-11-14 18:40 +0100
    Re: why Debian? Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2021-11-14 17:00 +0100
    Re: why Debian? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-11-14 17:10 +0100
    Re: why Debian? Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2021-11-14 19:30 +0100
    Re: why Debian? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-11-15 05:50 +0100
    Re: why Debian? 황병희 <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> - 2021-11-15 07:50 +0100
    Re: why Debian? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-12-02 12:10 +0100
      Re: why Debian? Piper H <potthua@gmail.com> - 2021-12-02 13:10 +0100
        Re: why Debian? Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2021-12-02 14:00 +0100
        Re: why Debian? Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-12-02 16:10 +0100
        Re: why Debian? Karthik <karthikgatiganti@gmail.com> - 2021-12-02 17:00 +0100
          Re: why Debian? Piper H <potthua@gmail.com> - 2021-12-02 21:10 +0100
            Re: why Debian? Karthik <karthikgatiganti@gmail.com> - 2021-12-03 00:10 +0100
              Re: why Debian? Piper H <potthua@gmail.com> - 2021-12-03 02:00 +0100
        Re: why Debian? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-12-02 21:00 +0100
          Re: why Debian? Piper H <potthua@gmail.com> - 2021-12-02 21:10 +0100
        Re: why Debian? SAIFI <saifi@strikr.io> - 2021-12-03 06:40 +0100
          Re: why Debian? Piper H <potthua@gmail.com> - 2021-12-03 07:20 +0100

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#242169 — why Debian?

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Hello,

I am new to the Debian distribution and I would like to hear opinions from
experienced users on why someone should choose them as OS.
The reasons I chose them is that Debian is considered a stable and reliable
OS (the policy of the OS is not to include as many and as much quickly as
possible new features), and that it has a large and dependable community.

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On Sun, Nov 14, 2021, 6:27 PM Thanos Katsiolis <kls.thanos@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am new to the Debian distribution and I would like to hear opinions from
> experienced users on why someone should choose them as OS.
> The reasons I chose them is that Debian is considered a stable and
> reliable OS (the policy of the OS is not to include as many and as
> much quickly as possible new features), and that it has a large and
> dependable community.
>

Debian stable release(currently 11 bullseye) is the most stable distro as
It's tested by not only it's maintainers but
Also by its downstream maintainers for
Offshoot distros(which include both commercial and community) and their
users as well

It has some strict policies for being stable including seperation of free
and non-free software, source only uploads,
Reproducible builds of packages.

Debian maintainers are highly Experienced. Some of the package maintainers
are also upstream authors

Most software is tested on Debian/Debian based distros (manual or CI).
Which makes it even more robust in practice. Eg. Android. Indeed Debian
Linux kernel is the most used kernel of all distros (including kernel.org
source builds).

Debian community is very large in that you get 24hrs support as its
community is wide spread across the world and so are security patches

>

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#242173

Hello,

>>>> The reasons I chose them is that Debian is considered a stable and reliable OS (the policy of the OS is not to include as many and as much quickly as possible new features), and that it has a large and dependable >>>>community. 
>>>>Debian stable release(currently 11 bullseye) is the most stable distro as
>>>>It's tested by not only it's maintainers but
>>>>Also by its downstream maintainers for
>>>>Offshoot distros(which include both commercial and community) and their users as well
>>>>
>>>>It has some strict policies for being stable including seperation of free and non-free software, source only uploads,
>>>>Reproducible builds of packages.
>>>>
>>>>Debian maintainers are highly Experienced. Some of the package maintainers are also upstream authors
>>>>
>>>>Most software is tested on Debian/Debian based distros (manual or CI). Which makes it even more robust in practice. Eg. Android. Indeed Debian Linux kernel is the most used kernel of all distros (including kernel.org >>>>source builds).
>>>>
>>>>Debian community is very large in that you get 24hrs support as its community is wide spread across the world and so are security patches


Sure you know it but just mention this link:
https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
https://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian

Regards,
Thierry

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#242180

Actually, this question lets me raise a deeper one.
Why Linux...at all?
I am often in discussions where the question comes up, mostly because on 
the one hand its everywhere, but on the other it seems its broader user 
base is limited.  Intellectuals, developers, programmers, certainly, but 
general public?  Not that I have discovered  numbers to support.
add that, again speaking personally, it seems to be a great great deal of 
work, and I am honestly curious what motivates you to choose Linux. 
Especially if you use it exclusively?
Kare

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On 14/11/2021 12:56, Thanos Katsiolis wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am new to the Debian distribution and I would like to hear opinions
> from experienced users on why someone should choose them as OS.
> The reasons I chose them is that Debian is considered a stable and
> reliable OS (the policy of the OS is not to include as many and as
> much quickly as possible new features), and that it has a large and
> dependable community.

Personally,  I chose Debian because of it's amazing package installer
"apt". Like many people, I started with Windows (well, my first computer
was earlier than that, but irrelevant to this discussion). Software
management was (and - although "winget" is making it better - still kind
of is) a bit of a nightmare. You'd either have to got to the developer's
website and download an installer or, if you were lucky, there are sites
like TUCOWS and Sourceforge where you could download several installers.
But windows has always tended to favour the idea of an installer, rather
than a package to be installed. Sure, MSI files exist, but they're still
kind of second rate compared to an EXE installer.

So, when I was venturing into Linux, I started off with Mandrake Linux
(which I got from a CD on a magazine). Mandrake Linux introduced me to
the concept of a Software Repository - a single server hosting just
about any programs you could want. Want a spreadsheet application?
Install StarOffice. Want games? There's plenty of those, too. All
available for free. However, Mandrake is a RedHat-based distribution so,
although there was /so much/ software available through the repository,
these were the days before "yum". So to install a package, you had to
download the RPM for what you wanted, then try to install it, then
download all the dependencies that it needed and try to install those,
then download all the dependencies THEY required and so on.

A friend of mine, however, used Debian Linux and "apt" was a revelation.
With apt (I think we used "dselect" in those days, but "apt-get" worked
just as well if you knew what you wanted to install), it was just a
single command. "apt-get install soffice" was enough to install
StarOffice and all the libraries it required. This was a minor miracle
to me, and I've never really looked back.

Of course, nowadays, you can do the same thing with "yum" and "dnf" on
RedHat based distros, and even Windows is getting to the point where
plenty of software is available through "winget install xxx", but I'm
happy to stick with Debian.

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#242175

On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 14:56:39 +0200
Thanos Katsiolis <kls.thanos@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I am new to the Debian distribution and I would like to hear opinions
> from experienced users on why someone should choose them as OS.
> The reasons I chose them is that Debian is considered a stable and
> reliable OS 

That's a major factor...

> (the policy of the OS is not to include as many and as
> much quickly as possible new features),

In addition to the official Debian release ('Stable'), there are two
rolling releases that contain fairly up-to-date software, but by
definition are less reliable than Stable. The user takes on some
responsibility for fixing breakages.
https://www.debian.org/releases/

> and that it has a large and
> dependable community.

Indeed, and also many Debian derivatives are sources of useful help and
information (e.g. Ubuntu, Kali, Knoppix). They are of course not
identical to the base Debian, but generally have a great deal in common
with it, and much of the documentation is valid. Knoppix is
particularly valuable for identifying hardware problems with
installation of a base Debian distribution.

-- 
Joe

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For me Debian strikes a nice balance between convenience and staying out
of my way and preserving my changes when I want to customize things.  As
mentioned, apt, though I like using aptitude through its TUI mostly,
handles dependencies not just for installing but for removing packages
as well.  When the debconf system detects that a configuration file
(most often found under /etc) has been modified, it will prompt for a
resolution (I have dealt with distributions that weren't so careful).

The Debian developers often set sensible defaults that mesh well with
the system and often modify a package to make it easier to administer.
The security team does a good job of responding to issues and updating
needed packages.  Over the years it has become obvious to me that the
developers care deeply about the distribution and this is reflected in
the quality of the past several releases (all have been good since I
first installed Debian 2.1 (Slink) back in late summer 1999, but past
several have shown the project has the process down pat).

The project is committed to Free Software yet has not forgotten that
sometimes pragmatism dictates that users need to use non-free packages
to accomplish their tasks.  Fortunately, most of the non-free packages
that are needed these days are kernel modules.

HTH,

- Nate

-- 
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possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."
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#242196

On 11/14/21 4:56 AM, Thanos Katsiolis wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am new to the Debian distribution and I would like to hear opinions from
> experienced users on why someone should choose them as OS.
> The reasons I chose them is that Debian is considered a stable and reliable
> OS (the policy of the OS is not to include as many and as much quickly as
> possible new features), and that it has a large and dependable community.


It would help if you described your computing environment, what you plan 
to do with Debian, and what criteria are important to you.


I have a SOHO network with various computers and devices running 
Windows, macOS, Debian, FreeBSD, Android, iOS, Raku, and other embedded 
OS's.  I chose Debian with Xfce for desktops and laptops because it 
mostly works OOTB on most x86-64 machines.  I chose FreeBSD for servers 
because the BSD license and CDDL are compatible, so FreeBSD fully 
supports OpenZFS OOTB.


Over  the years, Debian Stable, Old Stable, and Old Old Stable have been 
reasonably stable ("code does not change") and reliable ("computer does 
not malfunction").  I typically run Old Stable or Old Old Stable -- 
currently, Debian 10 and 9.


Unfortunately, over the past year or so, Debian with Xfce and my typical 
set of desktop applications (Firefox, Thunderbird, Thunar, and Terminal) 
have become unreliable.  I experience intermittent, random mouse and/or 
keyboard events that jump the mouse pointer, select regions of the 
screen, resize, move, and close windows, activate pop-up dialogs, etc.. 
  The problem is more frequent on Debian 10 than on Debian 9.  The 
malfunctions seem to come in storms, and I have yet to find a way to 
trigger them.  I need to try Debian 11.


The last time I ran FreeBSD with Xfce as a daily driver (4+ years ago), 
it took a non-trivial amount of work to set up and the result was 
lacking features and panel items that were included with Debian.  So, I 
went back to Debian.


As for community, I participate in the debian-user mailing list and the 
freebsd-questions mailing list.  The FreeBSD list seems to have more 
people with computer science education.  The Debian list tends to have 
more digressions.  The users on both are reasonably helpful.


David

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#242197

Thanos Katsiolis <kls.thanos@gmail.com> writes:

> Hello,
>
> I am new to the Debian distribution and I would like to hear opinions
> ...

Well, i like GNU Emacs than Debian. And i also new to Debian. Before i
used Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. Debian 11 Bullseye is not bad with GNU Emacs ^^^

Sincerely, Gnus fan Byung-Hee

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#242613

Thanos Katsiolis <kls.thanos@gmail.com> writes:

> The reasons I chose them is that Debian is considered a stable and reliable OS (the policy of the OS is not to
> include as many and as much quickly as possible new features), and that it has a large and dependable community.

Isn't that enough? I guess I'd say the policy of Debian is that it
works. Personally, I had used Linux off and on in the 1990s but there
were issues. I was otherwise a Unix user in school and work, mostly
Sun's Solaris but also Digital and HP and some others I don't remember
any more.

A friend and colleague recommended Debian around late '90s and I
installed Debian, 2.0 Hamm I think. It just worked, as in I ran the same
installation on my ever morphing desktop computer for almost a decade
until I made the switch to 64-bit. I guess that "new" 64-bit
installation is now over a decade old then. Updates work and it does't
barf when I change hardware.

For sure I have other computers these days and my desktop alone has
Windows 10 and Arch Linux in addition to Debian. But mostly I use
the desktop and the Debian on it.

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#242615

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For debian and ubuntu, which one should I choose as my personal
development  system?
Thanks.


On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 7:02 PM Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> wrote:

> Thanos Katsiolis <kls.thanos@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > The reasons I chose them is that Debian is considered a stable and
> reliable OS (the policy of the OS is not to
> > include as many and as much quickly as possible new features), and that
> it has a large and dependable community.
>
> Isn't that enough? I guess I'd say the policy of Debian is that it
> works. Personally, I had used Linux off and on in the 1990s but there
> were issues. I was otherwise a Unix user in school and work, mostly
> Sun's Solaris but also Digital and HP and some others I don't remember
> any more.
>
> A friend and colleague recommended Debian around late '90s and I
> installed Debian, 2.0 Hamm I think. It just worked, as in I ran the same
> installation on my ever morphing desktop computer for almost a decade
> until I made the switch to 64-bit. I guess that "new" 64-bit
> installation is now over a decade old then. Updates work and it does't
> barf when I change hardware.
>
> For sure I have other computers these days and my desktop alone has
> Windows 10 and Arch Linux in addition to Debian. But mostly I use
> the desktop and the Debian on it.
>
>

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#242618

Piper H wrote:
> For debian and ubuntu, which one should I choose as my personal
> development  system?

The question is almost blasphemic; The original (Debian) of course! ;-)

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#242621

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On 12/2/21 3:56 AM, Piper H wrote:
> For debian and ubuntu, which one should I choose as my personal 
> development  system?
> Thanks.
>
pleas do some more research. it is Personal choice:

for a Stable and Secure, with no problems, everyday computer use, use Debian

for experimental plunking around you can use Ubuntu or something else.

===

Personally, I have several computers. on Most of them I use Debian
... especially on my Wife's computer, she has no tolerance for breakage.

I do like to explore options and what the others are doing, so on a 
couple I play.
those are sacrificial, if it breaks I just reinstall...

>
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 7:02 PM Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi 
> <mailto:as@sci.fi>> wrote:
>
>     Thanos Katsiolis <kls.thanos@gmail.com
>     <mailto:kls.thanos@gmail.com>> writes:
>
>     > The reasons I chose them is that Debian is considered a stable
>     and reliable OS (the policy of the OS is not to
>     > include as many and as much quickly as possible new features),
>     and that it has a large and dependable community.
>
>     Isn't that enough? I guess I'd say the policy of Debian is that it
>     works. Personally, I had used Linux off and on in the 1990s but there
>     were issues. I was otherwise a Unix user in school and work, mostly
>     Sun's Solaris but also Digital and HP and some others I don't remember
>     any more.
>
>     A friend and colleague recommended Debian around late '90s and I
>     installed Debian, 2.0 Hamm I think. It just worked, as in I ran
>     the same
>     installation on my ever morphing desktop computer for almost a decade
>     until I made the switch to 64-bit. I guess that "new" 64-bit
>     installation is now over a decade old then. Updates work and it does't
>     barf when I change hardware.
>
>     For sure I have other computers these days and my desktop alone has
>     Windows 10 and Arch Linux in addition to Debian. But mostly I use
>     the desktop and the Debian on it.
>

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#242623

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On Thu, Dec 2, 2021, 5:27 PM Piper H <potthua@gmail.com> wrote:

> For debian and ubuntu, which one should I choose as my personal
> development  system?
> Thanks.
>

Depends on your use case and preference

If you're experienced enough or willing to learn then either of them are
equally good and you shouldn't have any problem

If you're new to Debian and are not willing to learn tiny things here and
there then you should consider one over the other.

Most of the software is available for both from official repositories. But
for some software which isn't available yet in the repositories you have to
build from source or consider using other sources(either third-party
repositories or deb,tar packages) which may be of a problem as some times
you wouldn't find support for both of them. Some support Ubuntu only and
some support Debian and some support both(although only certain versions).

And with Debian you should setup some things after first install like
enabling non-free section for firmwares and nvidia drivers, fonts,bash
completion etc.

Some even expect you to use certain version of one of them like Nvidia
cudnn which fully supported only on Ubuntu 18.04 although you can get
around these with some manual installation work

Debian is most stable though.

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#242630

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@Karthik glad to see the info you providesd. Especially for cudnn running
on ubuntu 18.04 and above. Does debian have good support for DNN stuff?
Thanks.

Piper

On Thursday, December 2, 2021, Karthik <karthikgatiganti@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021, 5:27 PM Piper H <potthua@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> For debian and ubuntu, which one should I choose as my personal
>> development  system?
>> Thanks.
>>
>
> Depends on your use case and preference
>
> If you're experienced enough or willing to learn then either of them are
> equally good and you shouldn't have any problem
>
> If you're new to Debian and are not willing to learn tiny things here and
> there then you should consider one over the other.
>
> Most of the software is available for both from official repositories. But
> for some software which isn't available yet in the repositories you have to
> build from source or consider using other sources(either third-party
> repositories or deb,tar packages) which may be of a problem as some times
> you wouldn't find support for both of them. Some support Ubuntu only and
> some support Debian and some support both(although only certain versions).
>
> And with Debian you should setup some things after first install like
> enabling non-free section for firmwares and nvidia drivers, fonts,bash
> completion etc.
>
> Some even expect you to use certain version of one of them like Nvidia
> cudnn which fully supported only on Ubuntu 18.04 although you can get
> around these with some manual installation work
>
> Debian is most stable though.
>
>
>
>
>

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#242634

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 1:37 AM Piper H <potthua@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> @Karthik glad to see the info you providesd.

You're welcome,feel free to ask questions,Im happy to help

> Especially for cudnn running on ubuntu 18.04 and above.
It's just 18.04 and not above as other versions only have partial support
LTS versions like 16.04,20.04 seem to have support but I haven't tested them

> Does debian have good support for DNN stuff?

Yes, my current setup is:
debian unstable,
nvidia proprietary driver from nvidia-driver deb package,
cuda from nvidia-cuda-toolkit deb package holding at version 11.2.2-3,
cudnn8 from https://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/repos/ubuntu1804/x86_64/libcudnn8_8.1.1.33-1+cuda11.2_amd64.deb
extracted to /usr/local/lib,
tensorflow 2.6 from pip

Basically everything is from debian archive except cudnn and tf

And pytorch is available in debian https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/pytorch

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#242635

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Thanks for the info you provided @Karthik <karthikgatiganti@gmail.com> .
That would be very helpful

Regards
Piper




On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 7:03 AM Karthik <karthikgatiganti@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 1:37 AM Piper H <potthua@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > @Karthik glad to see the info you providesd.
>
> You're welcome,feel free to ask questions,Im happy to help
>
> > Especially for cudnn running on ubuntu 18.04 and above.
> It's just 18.04 and not above as other versions only have partial support
> LTS versions like 16.04,20.04 seem to have support but I haven't tested
> them
>
> > Does debian have good support for DNN stuff?
>
> Yes, my current setup is:
> debian unstable,
> nvidia proprietary driver from nvidia-driver deb package,
> cuda from nvidia-cuda-toolkit deb package holding at version 11.2.2-3,
> cudnn8 from
> https://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/repos/ubuntu1804/x86_64/libcudnn8_8.1.1.33-1+cuda11.2_amd64.deb
> extracted to /usr/local/lib,
> tensorflow 2.6 from pip
>
> Basically everything is from debian archive except cudnn and tf
>
> And pytorch is available in debian https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/pytorch
>
>

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#242627

On Thu, Dec 02, 2021 at 07:56:31PM +0800, Piper H wrote:
> For debian and ubuntu, which one should I choose as my personal
> development  system?
> Thanks.
> 

What are you developing _in_ ? Debian stable is pretty much unconditionally
stable and includes huge amounts of software. On the other hand, some
teams develop only on Ubuntu - it's not a binary "either/or" and the skills 
you learn on Debian are transferrable to Ubuntu.

More details needed :)

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater 



> 
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 7:02 PM Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> wrote:
> 
> > Thanos Katsiolis <kls.thanos@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > The reasons I chose them is that Debian is considered a stable and
> > reliable OS (the policy of the OS is not to
> > > include as many and as much quickly as possible new features), and that
> > it has a large and dependable community.
> >
> > Isn't that enough? I guess I'd say the policy of Debian is that it
> > works. Personally, I had used Linux off and on in the 1990s but there
> > were issues. I was otherwise a Unix user in school and work, mostly
> > Sun's Solaris but also Digital and HP and some others I don't remember
> > any more.
> >
> > A friend and colleague recommended Debian around late '90s and I
> > installed Debian, 2.0 Hamm I think. It just worked, as in I ran the same
> > installation on my ever morphing desktop computer for almost a decade
> > until I made the switch to 64-bit. I guess that "new" 64-bit
> > installation is now over a decade old then. Updates work and it does't
> > barf when I change hardware.
> >
> > For sure I have other computers these days and my desktop alone has
> > Windows 10 and Arch Linux in addition to Debian. But mostly I use
> > the desktop and the Debian on it.
> >
> >

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#242628

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I am a data engineer. Most time works around Hadoop, Spark, Streaming, MQ,
R and Python stuff. I have my personal Mac, but want to learn more on Linux
dev and ops. Thanks.

Piper

On Friday, December 3, 2021, Andrew M.A. Cater <amacater@einval.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 02, 2021 at 07:56:31PM +0800, Piper H wrote:
> > For debian and ubuntu, which one should I choose as my personal
> > development  system?
> > Thanks.
> >
>
> What are you developing _in_ ? Debian stable is pretty much unconditionally
> stable and includes huge amounts of software. On the other hand, some
> teams develop only on Ubuntu - it's not a binary "either/or" and the
> skills
> you learn on Debian are transferrable to Ubuntu.
>
> More details needed :)
>
> All the very best, as ever,
>
> Andy Cater
>
>
>
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 7:02 PM Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanos Katsiolis <kls.thanos@gmail.com> writes:
> > >
> > > > The reasons I chose them is that Debian is considered a stable and
> > > reliable OS (the policy of the OS is not to
> > > > include as many and as much quickly as possible new features), and
> that
> > > it has a large and dependable community.
> > >
> > > Isn't that enough? I guess I'd say the policy of Debian is that it
> > > works. Personally, I had used Linux off and on in the 1990s but there
> > > were issues. I was otherwise a Unix user in school and work, mostly
> > > Sun's Solaris but also Digital and HP and some others I don't remember
> > > any more.
> > >
> > > A friend and colleague recommended Debian around late '90s and I
> > > installed Debian, 2.0 Hamm I think. It just worked, as in I ran the
> same
> > > installation on my ever morphing desktop computer for almost a decade
> > > until I made the switch to 64-bit. I guess that "new" 64-bit
> > > installation is now over a decade old then. Updates work and it does't
> > > barf when I change hardware.
> > >
> > > For sure I have other computers these days and my desktop alone has
> > > Windows 10 and Arch Linux in addition to Debian. But mostly I use
> > > the desktop and the Debian on it.
> > >
> > >
>
>

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#242642

On Thu, 2 Dec 2021, Piper H wrote:

> For debian and ubuntu, which one should I choose as my personal development  system?

@Piper, if intend to do 'development' work in modern C++ on your system, suggest you download 'bookworm'. This gets you glibc-2.32-4 and hence gcc 11.2.0-2

Here is the link
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso


warm regards
Saifi.

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