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  Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a  specific partition of an external device? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@surfnaked.ca> - 2021-11-28 21:20 +0100
    Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount  a specific partition of an external device? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-11-28 22:20 +0100
    Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount  a specific partition of an external device? Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-11-30 11:50 +0100
      Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount  a specific partition of an external device? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-12-02 04:40 +0100
        Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount  a specific partition of an external device? Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-12-02 08:10 +0100
          Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount  a specific partition of an external device? Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2021-12-02 12:20 +0100
            Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount  a specific partition of an external device? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-12-03 04:00 +0100

#242494 — Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?

On Sun Nov 28 11:38:54 2021 Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> wrote:

 > On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 22:58:58 -0600
 > David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote:
 >
 >> On Sat 27 Nov 2021 at 07:22:45 (-0600), John Hasler wrote:
 >>
 >>> Celejar writes:
 >>>
 >>>> I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA
 >>>> software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font
 >>>> installed, or do they see tofu?
 >>>
 >>> I use Gnus.  I've never manually installed any emoji fonts
 >>> (or any other fonts) but I see the glyphs, not the tofu.
 >>
 >> Questions like this remind me how little I understand font handling.
 >> I read mail in mutt in xterm in fvwm in X, currently in buster, and
 >> I see four glyphs. If I save the email in a file, then I see the
 >
 > ...
 >
 >> I wrote /four/ glyphs, but it sounds as if Celejar sees three,
 >> the first one being coloured with some sort of skin tone. My
 >> second glyph, 🏻, is a half-tone box with three lines of dots
 >> inside, of 3, 4 and 3 dots.
 >
 > I assume that the reason I see three and you see four is that the
 > first one (of my three) consists of a combination of the basic
 > "blond haired person" glyph plus a "light skin tone" modifier glyph,
 > which are presumably ideally supposed to be displayed together:
 >
 > https://emojiterra.com/blond-haired-person-light-skin-tone/

Am I the only one who sees the irony in all this?  We're living
in an era where the so-called "woke" generation is taking offence
at every perceived slight or sign of racial or sexual discrimination,
however minor.  Yet these same people are eagerly leaving behind the
originally all-text form of e-mail - which has no glyphs that portray
such differences - in favour of graphics that are gleefully being used
to highlight them.  Why is nobody being "triggered" by this?

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#242497 — Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?

On Sun 28 Nov 2021 at 11:54:16 (-0800), Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On Sun Nov 28 11:38:54 2021 Celejar wrote:
> > On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 22:58:58 -0600 David Wright wrote:
> >> On Sat 27 Nov 2021 at 07:22:45 (-0600), John Hasler wrote:
> >>> Celejar writes:
> >>>
> >>>> I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA
> >>>> software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font
> >>>> installed, or do they see tofu?
> >>>
> >>> I use Gnus.  I've never manually installed any emoji fonts
> >>> (or any other fonts) but I see the glyphs, not the tofu.
> >>
> >> Questions like this remind me how little I understand font handling.
> >> I read mail in mutt in xterm in fvwm in X, currently in buster, and
> >> I see four glyphs. If I save the email in a file, then I see the
> >
> > ...
> >
> >> I wrote /four/ glyphs, but it sounds as if Celejar sees three,
> >> the first one being coloured with some sort of skin tone. My
> >> second glyph, 🏻, is a half-tone box with three lines of dots
> >> inside, of 3, 4 and 3 dots.
> >
> > I assume that the reason I see three and you see four is that the
> > first one (of my three) consists of a combination of the basic
> > "blond haired person" glyph plus a "light skin tone" modifier glyph,
> > which are presumably ideally supposed to be displayed together:
> >
> > https://emojiterra.com/blond-haired-person-light-skin-tone/
> 
> Am I the only one who sees the irony in all this?  We're living
> in an era where the so-called "woke" generation is taking offence
> at every perceived slight or sign of racial or sexual discrimination,
> however minor.  Yet these same people are eagerly leaving behind the
> originally all-text form of e-mail - which has no glyphs that portray
> such differences - in favour of graphics that are gleefully being used
> to highlight them.  Why is nobody being "triggered" by this?

That assumes that I look at the emojis and have a clue what they
mean. I'm really only interested in this conversation in order to get
a more complete repertoire of Unicode displayed correctly. If you were
to look at my personal quick-view chart of Unicode, I think you'd see
that emojis are distinctly lacking. Currently I print:

  ranges = [range(0x20, 0x520, 32),
            range(0x2000, 0x2be0, 32),
            range(0x2e00, 0x2e40, 32),
            range(0x3000, 0x3020, 32),]

Some of these look as if they're combining forms (like the accents
and squiggles, for want of a better word), but I've not found an
opportunity to see clearly whether combining forms actually combine,
before this. (Ie, the result would be an obvious change in glyphs.)

Cheers,
David.

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#242545 — Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?

On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 11:54:16AM -0800, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>Am I the only one who sees the irony in all this?  We're living
>in an era where the so-called "woke" generation is taking offence
>at every perceived slight or sign of racial or sexual discrimination,
>however minor.  Yet these same people are eagerly leaving behind the
>originally all-text form of e-mail

Since we're talking about my email signature here, this characterisation
you've described is meant to be me.  I don't know what *I've* done for
you to describe me that way, but at best it's irrelevant to debian-user.
It's perjorative, and I would ask that you stop writing perjoratively
about me on this mailing list, and go and re-read the Code of Conduct
for participating in Debian.

>eagerly leaving behind the originally all-text form of e-mail

Unicode *is* text, as far as I'm concerned. I don't see the point in
limiting what I write to a 7-bit namespace from the 1960s, even if I am
fortunate enough that my chosen names are representable in it.

>in favour of graphics that are gleefully being used to highlight them.

My signature includes an emoji which is configured to be a reasonable
approximation of my appearance.

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#242593 — Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?

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On Tue 30 Nov 2021 at 10:47:07 (+0000), Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 11:54:16AM -0800, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> > eagerly leaving behind the originally all-text form of e-mail
> 
> Unicode *is* text, as far as I'm concerned. I don't see the point in
> limiting what I write to a 7-bit namespace from the 1960s, even if I am
> fortunate enough that my chosen names are representable in it.

I agree. It's almost as important that people read, or can switch
to, a fixed width font when reading technical lists like this one.

> > in favour of graphics that are gleefully being used to highlight them.
> 
> My signature includes an emoji which is configured to be a reasonable
> approximation of my appearance.

… bearing in mind that what we see depends on the fonts we have
installed. Until Sunday, your emoji had the bouffant/flip of
Mary Tyler Moore, but then she got older and lost the flip. If
I reverse the colours of the latter, it becomes more like a
mop with a parting, say John Lennon before he grew it long.
As for the firefox version, it manages to combine them, but
throws the emphasis onto the face, and just looks like a
mischievous kid's cartoon character.

Cheers,
David.

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#242602 — Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?

On Wed, Dec 01, 2021 at 09:31:43PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
>As for the firefox version, it manages to combine them, but
>throws the emphasis onto the face, and just looks like a
>mischievous kid's cartoon character.

That's exactly what I look like ;)

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* On 2021 02 Dec 01:07 -0600, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 01, 2021 at 09:31:43PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > As for the firefox version, it manages to combine them, but
> > throws the emphasis onto the face, and just looks like a
> > mischievous kid's cartoon character.
> 
> That's exactly what I look like ;)

Close!  Going by your avatar I see when browsing the Planet Debian blog
feed.  :-)

In Mutt running in Gnome Terminal I see a square following the face
(screenshot attached).

- Nate

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On Thu 02 Dec 2021 at 05:15:26 (-0600), Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2021 02 Dec 01:07 -0600, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 01, 2021 at 09:31:43PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > > As for the firefox version, it manages to combine them, but
> > > throws the emphasis onto the face, and just looks like a
> > > mischievous kid's cartoon character.
> > 
> > That's exactly what I look like ;)
> 
> Close!  Going by your avatar I see when browsing the Planet Debian blog
> feed.  :-)
> 
> In Mutt running in Gnome Terminal I see a square following the face
> (screenshot attached).

To me, that's a boy chorister (butter wouldn't melt…),
except that the starched ruff should be white.
Sigh, more fonts … :)

Cheers,
David.

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