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  Fwd: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-11-24 19:10 +0100
    Re: Fwd: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2021-11-24 19:20 +0100
    Re: Fwd: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-11-24 20:20 +0100
    Re: Fwd: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-11-24 23:30 +0100
      Re: Fwd: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-11-28 06:10 +0100

#242374 — Fwd: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you

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Top posting necessarily.
Folks have discussed list bounces like this one in this forum already. I
would like to draw the administrators' attention to bendel.debian.org, as
shown here. I can't see enough to diagnose it as false positive or problem.
Thanks

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Debian Listmaster Team <listmaster@lists.debian.org>
Date: Wed, Nov 24, 2021, 10:45 AM
Subject: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you
To: <nickgeovanis@gmail.com>


Dear subscriber,

We've encountered some problems while sending listmail to your
emailaddress nickgeovanis@gmail.com.

In the last seven days we've seen bounces for the following list:
* debian-user
        1 bounce out of 149 mails in 7 days (0%, kick-score is 80%)
        (https://lists.debian.org/bounces/u9lHbXYWgI1VcxqPZbbglg)

(The link above points to a copy of the latest bounce
and will be valid for seven days.)

If the bounce-rate passes the kick-score, our bounce-detection will forcibly
remove your subscription.

Bounces happen from time to time when spam slips through our filters but are
rejected by your mail provider.  If you are your own mail provider and use
'Before-Queue Content filtering', you should whitelist bendel.debian.org
from
Content filtering.

However: You can safely ignore this message (and you will not be
unsubscribed
:-) ) if your bounce rate remains low.

For more information see https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/FAQ

You are welcome to contact listmaster@lists.debian.org if you think this
message was sent in error.

        Sincerely,
The Listmaster Team
-- 
http://lists.debian.org

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#242375

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On 24/11/2021 15:08, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> Top posting necessarily.
> Folks have discussed list bounces like this one in this forum already. 
> I would like to draw the administrators' attention to 
> bendel.debian.org <http://bendel.debian.org>, as shown here. I can't 
> see enough to diagnose it as false positive or problem. Thanks

This seems to be perfectly legit and valid. Your mailserver (gmail) 
reject a spam that evaded debian's filters. In rejecting it, it caused a 
bounce. When the list server got the bounce, it warned you about it.

Since it's only one bounce, nothing happens. Only if your server bounces 
a lot of emails (80%, as the message shows) you'll be unsubscribed.


>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Debian Listmaster Team* <listmaster@lists.debian.org 
> <mailto:listmaster@lists.debian.org>>
> Date: Wed, Nov 24, 2021, 10:45 AM
> Subject: lists.debian.org <http://lists.debian.org> has received 
> bounces from you
> To: <nickgeovanis@gmail.com <mailto:nickgeovanis@gmail.com>>
>
>
> Dear subscriber,
>
> We've encountered some problems while sending listmail to your
> emailaddress nickgeovanis@gmail.com <mailto:nickgeovanis@gmail.com>.
>
> In the last seven days we've seen bounces for the following list:
> * debian-user
>         1 bounce out of 149 mails in 7 days (0%, kick-score is 80%)
>         (https://lists.debian.org/bounces/u9lHbXYWgI1VcxqPZbbglg 
> <https://lists.debian.org/bounces/u9lHbXYWgI1VcxqPZbbglg>)
>
> (The link above points to a copy of the latest bounce
> and will be valid for seven days.)
>
> If the bounce-rate passes the kick-score, our bounce-detection will 
> forcibly
> remove your subscription.
>
> Bounces happen from time to time when spam slips through our filters 
> but are
> rejected by your mail provider.  If you are your own mail provider and use
> 'Before-Queue Content filtering', you should whitelist 
> bendel.debian.org <http://bendel.debian.org> from
> Content filtering.
>
> However: You can safely ignore this message (and you will not be 
> unsubscribed
> :-) ) if your bounce rate remains low.
>
> For more information see https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/FAQ 
> <https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/FAQ>
>
> You are welcome to contact listmaster@lists.debian.org 
> <mailto:listmaster@lists.debian.org> if you think this
> message was sent in error.
>
>         Sincerely,
> The Listmaster Team
> -- 
> http://lists.debian.org <http://lists.debian.org>
>

-- 
Last time I had intimate contact with another human being was rather a
painful experience... I rather liked it... ;)
		-- Brett Manz

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
eduardo@kalinowski.com.br

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#242377

On Wed 24 Nov 2021 at 12:08:19 (-0600), Nicholas Geovanis wrote:

> Folks have discussed list bounces like this one in this forum already. I
> would like to draw the administrators' attention to bendel.debian.org, as
> shown here. I can't see enough to diagnose it as false positive or problem.

You can check on the web.

> In the last seven days we've seen bounces for the following list:
> * debian-user
>         1 bounce out of 149 mails in 7 days (0%, kick-score is 80%)
>         (https://lists.debian.org/bounces/u9lHbXYWgI1VcxqPZbbglg)
> 
> (The link above points to a copy of the latest bounce
> and will be valid for seven days.)

The link shows the full post, and its Message-ID:

<571196642.196217.1637769582057.JavaMail.open-xchange@opme11oxm12nd1.rouen.francetelecom.fr>

confirms that it's

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/11/msg00564.html

The Brazilian link therein confirms that it's a scam even if
you can't recognise "Bankensystems" as off-topic.

I assume people are clicking the button in the top right corner
of the web page to draw the administrators' attention to it.

Cheers,
David.

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#242381

On Wednesday 24 November 2021 13:08:19 Nicholas Geovanis wrote:

> Top posting necessarily.
> Folks have discussed list bounces like this one in this forum already.
> I would like to draw the administrators' attention to
> bendel.debian.org, as shown here. I can't see enough to diagnose it as
> false positive or problem. Thanks

The mail server at your ISP is bouncing it, call tech and have them 
whitelist bendel.debian.org.
That doesn't mean they don't send spam, cuz they do occasionally, but at 
least it won't send you threatening msgs to ignore. You'll then get the 
spam but spamassassin can handle that.

> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Debian Listmaster Team <listmaster@lists.debian.org>
> Date: Wed, Nov 24, 2021, 10:45 AM
> Subject: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you
> To: <nickgeovanis@gmail.com>
>
>
> Dear subscriber,
>
> We've encountered some problems while sending listmail to your
> emailaddress nickgeovanis@gmail.com.
>
> In the last seven days we've seen bounces for the following list:
> * debian-user
>         1 bounce out of 149 mails in 7 days (0%, kick-score is 80%)
>         (https://lists.debian.org/bounces/u9lHbXYWgI1VcxqPZbbglg)
>
> (The link above points to a copy of the latest bounce
> and will be valid for seven days.)
>
> If the bounce-rate passes the kick-score, our bounce-detection will
> forcibly remove your subscription.
>
> Bounces happen from time to time when spam slips through our filters
> but are rejected by your mail provider.  If you are your own mail
> provider and use 'Before-Queue Content filtering', you should
> whitelist bendel.debian.org from
> Content filtering.
>
> However: You can safely ignore this message (and you will not be
> unsubscribed
>
> :-) ) if your bounce rate remains low.
>
> For more information see https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/FAQ
>
> You are welcome to contact listmaster@lists.debian.org if you think
> this message was sent in error.
>
>         Sincerely,
> The Listmaster Team


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#242462

On Wed 24 Nov 2021 at 17:27:08 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 24 November 2021 13:08:19 Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> > Folks have discussed list bounces like this one in this forum already.
> > I would like to draw the administrators' attention to
> > bendel.debian.org, as shown here. I can't see enough to diagnose it as
> > false positive or problem. Thanks
> 
> The mail server at your ISP is bouncing it, call tech and have them 
> whitelist bendel.debian.org.

I wouldn't have thought there was any use talking to your ISP about
posts arriving at gmail.com, or any other external mail host.

> That doesn't mean they don't send spam, cuz they do occasionally, but at 
> least it won't send you threatening msgs to ignore. You'll then get the 
> spam but spamassassin can handle that.

If it's really coming from the list (rather than being sent directly
to your harvested email address), then it should appear on the web at
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/recent
where you can click on the 'Report as spam' link. I presume this is
the most convenient (ie automated) way for Debian to receive reports.

I don't see much threat in:

> >         1 bounce out of 149 mails in 7 days (0%, kick-score is 80%)

> > However: You can safely ignore this message (and you will not be
> > unsubscribed :-) ) if your bounce rate remains low.

Cheers,
David.

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