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  Recs for new Linux laptop? (to replace Zareason) Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2021-11-09 16:20 +0100
    Re: Recs for new Linux laptop? (to replace Zareason) "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-11-09 17:10 +0100
      Re: Recs for new Linux laptop? (to replace Zareason) Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-11-09 23:50 +0100
    Re: Recs for new Linux laptop? (to replace Zareason) Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2021-11-09 18:30 +0100
      Re: Recs for new Linux laptop? (to replace Zareason) "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-11-09 18:50 +0100
        Re: Recs for new Linux laptop? (to replace Zareason) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-11-09 20:10 +0100
        Re: Recs for new Linux laptop? (to replace Zareason) Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2021-11-10 10:50 +0100
    Re: Recs for new Linux laptop? (to replace Zareason) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-11-09 23:10 +0100
    Re: Recs for new Linux laptop? (to replace Zareason) Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2021-11-10 12:20 +0100
    Re: Recs for new Linux laptop? (to replace Zareason) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-11-10 14:50 +0100

#241971 — Recs for new Linux laptop? (to replace Zareason)

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My Zareason laptop (13-in screen, very lightweight and thin) is running
Debian 10 natively and wonderfully (with Win10 as a dual boot option), but
the company has gone out of business and I want to start preparing a
standby replacement.

I would appreciate any recommendations for that. I have looked at both
Emperor Linux and System 76 over the years. They always seem a bit pricey,
but I'm willing to bite the bullet now if I have to--I'm getting too old to
waste time on problem installations now.

Thanks,

-Tom

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#241975

On Tue, Nov 09, 2021 at 09:17:53AM -0600, Tom Browder wrote:
> My Zareason laptop (13-in screen, very lightweight and thin) is running
> Debian 10 natively and wonderfully (with Win10 as a dual boot option), but
> the company has gone out of business and I want to start preparing a
> standby replacement.
> 
> I would appreciate any recommendations for that. I have looked at both
> Emperor Linux and System 76 over the years. They always seem a bit pricey,
> but I'm willing to bite the bullet now if I have to--I'm getting too old to
> waste time on problem installations now.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Tom

Hi Tom,

Does it have to be new out of the box new? There are many of us working
happily with second hand Lenovo Thinkpads - and a year old machine from
a bankrupt business is relatively easy to source.

The latest/greatest may have it's own problems: you may also find 
that Dell or Lenovo are selling Linux-qualified laptops new now.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

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#241987

On Tue, 9 Nov 2021 16:06:39 +0000
"Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> wrote:

> Does it have to be new out of the box new? There are many of us
> working happily with second hand Lenovo Thinkpads - and a year old
> machine from a bankrupt business is relatively easy to source.

Refurbished Lenovos are also available. Many years ago I bought two
refurbished T61, and both still run well enough with Bullseye.

Check the thinkwiki for information on available models and how they
work with Linux.

-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/

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#241979

My cheap Lenovo Ideapad S145 was not supported by the stable kernel in
Debian Buster (especially SSD and WiFi) when I bought it in April 2020,
but very soon got supported better and better by the testing
distribution. When Bullseye got released, it was fully supported.

I would assume that Lenovo machines generally are supported well by
Testing in a short time frame and can grow into a stable system. ;-)

Christian

Am 09.11.21 um 16:17 schrieb Tom Browder:
> My Zareason laptop (13-in screen, very lightweight and thin) is running
> Debian 10 natively and wonderfully (with Win10 as a dual boot option),
> but the company has gone out of business and I want to start preparing a
> standby replacement.
> 
> I would appreciate any recommendations for that. I have looked at both
> Emperor Linux and System 76 over the years. They always seem a bit
> pricey, but I'm willing to bite the bullet now if I have to--I'm getting
> too old to waste time on problem installations now.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Tom

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#241980

On Tue, Nov 09, 2021 at 06:20:38PM +0100, Christian Britz wrote:
> My cheap Lenovo Ideapad S145 was not supported by the stable kernel in
> Debian Buster (especially SSD and WiFi) when I bought it in April 2020,
> but very soon got supported better and better by the testing
> distribution. When Bullseye got released, it was fully supported.
> 

Results may vary: cheap Lenovo may be a very different experience to 
Thinkpad. There is a quality difference which depends on original price,
I think.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater


> I would assume that Lenovo machines generally are supported well by
> Testing in a short time frame and can grow into a stable system. ;-)
> 
> Christian
> 
> Am 09.11.21 um 16:17 schrieb Tom Browder:
> > My Zareason laptop (13-in screen, very lightweight and thin) is running
> > Debian 10 natively and wonderfully (with Win10 as a dual boot option),
> > but the company has gone out of business and I want to start preparing a
> > standby replacement.
> > 
> > I would appreciate any recommendations for that. I have looked at both
> > Emperor Linux and System 76 over the years. They always seem a bit
> > pricey, but I'm willing to bite the bullet now if I have to--I'm getting
> > too old to waste time on problem installations now.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > -Tom
> 

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#241984

On Tue, 9 Nov 2021 17:47:16 +0000
"Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 09, 2021 at 06:20:38PM +0100, Christian Britz wrote:
> > My cheap Lenovo Ideapad S145 was not supported by the stable kernel in
> > Debian Buster (especially SSD and WiFi) when I bought it in April 2020,
> > but very soon got supported better and better by the testing
> > distribution. When Bullseye got released, it was fully supported.
> > 
> 
> Results may vary: cheap Lenovo may be a very different experience to 
> Thinkpad. There is a quality difference which depends on original price,
> I think.

To clarify: the difference is not necessarily between price points but
between the various series, i.e., between the highly regarded ones such
as the T, X, and W ThinkPad lines, and the lesser ones such as the
IdeaPad and ThinkPad E lines. The L series ThinkPad is apparently
in-between.

See, e.g.: https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/5662i5/how_much_worse_is_the_lseries/

> All the very best, as ever,
> 
> Andy Cater
> 
> 
> > I would assume that Lenovo machines generally are supported well by
> > Testing in a short time frame and can grow into a stable system. ;-)
> > 
> > Christian
> > 
> > Am 09.11.21 um 16:17 schrieb Tom Browder:
> > > My Zareason laptop (13-in screen, very lightweight and thin) is running
> > > Debian 10 natively and wonderfully (with Win10 as a dual boot option),
> > > but the company has gone out of business and I want to start preparing a
> > > standby replacement.
> > > 
> > > I would appreciate any recommendations for that. I have looked at both
> > > Emperor Linux and System 76 over the years. They always seem a bit
> > > pricey, but I'm willing to bite the bullet now if I have to--I'm getting
> > > too old to waste time on problem installations now.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > -Tom
> > 
> 


Celejar

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#241994

On 09.11.21 at 18:47 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> Results may vary: cheap Lenovo may be a very different experience to 
> Thinkpad. There is a quality difference which depends on original price,
> I think.

Sure, I know, I wanted to express that if even a cheap low end IdeaPad
with no stated support for Linux gets supported quickly, chances should
be even better for the higher priced ThinkPads.

But it is all guessing, I just can say how satisfied I am how quickly my
IdeaPad was supported by Debian / the kernel.

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#241985

Bob McGowan wrote: 
> On 11/9/21 7:17 AM, Tom Browder wrote:
> Just two comments of things to look out for:
> 
> 1.  If possible avoid Optimus based (dual graphics card) laptops.  It seems
> there is a lot of variability in how different companies implement this,
> which may impact how well a Linux distribution works with the laptop.

I've had a bunch of success with Ryzen laptops with built-in AMD
graphics.

-dsr-

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#241996

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On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 09:17 Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> wrote:

> My Zareason laptop (13-in screen, very lightweight and thin) is running
> Debian 10 natively and wonderfully (with Win10 as a dual boot option), but
> the company has gone out of business and I want to start preparing a
> standby replacement.
>

Thanks to all for your thoughts and suggestions. I feel better about
getting a laptop relacement now. Debian and Deb users rock!

Blessings,

-Tom

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#242001

> I would appreciate any recommendations for that. I have looked at both
> Emperor Linux and System 76 over the years. They always seem a bit pricey,
> but I'm willing to bite the bullet now if I have to--I'm getting too old to
> waste time on problem installations now.

If you're interested to support companies that really care about
GNU/Linux, the above choices are great and you might add Purism
(https://puri.sm/) to the list.

They're also a bit pricey, but aiming for the cheapest tends to favor
the companies that are least scrupulous.
I don't have a Purism laptop, but I'm pretty happy with my Librem mini.


        Stefan

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