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  LXQT desktop environment hangs? kaye n <guikaye@gmail.com> - 2021-10-29 14:30 +0200
    Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? kaye n <guikaye@gmail.com> - 2021-10-29 15:00 +0200
      choice of web browsers Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-10-29 15:30 +0200
        Re: choice of web browsers "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2021-10-29 19:10 +0200
        Re: choice of web browsers Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2021-10-29 19:20 +0200
        Re: choice of web browsers riveravaldez <riveravaldezmail@gmail.com> - 2021-10-31 05:40 +0100
          Re: choice of web browsers songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-01 02:20 +0100
      Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-10-29 16:00 +0200
        Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2021-10-29 19:30 +0200
          Netsurf Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2021-10-29 19:30 +0200
            Re: Netsurf harryweaver@tutanota.com - 2021-10-29 21:00 +0200
      Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-10-29 16:50 +0200
        Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? kaye n <guikaye@gmail.com> - 2021-10-31 14:30 +0100
          Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-10-31 17:50 +0100
    Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-10-29 15:00 +0200
    Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-10-29 15:00 +0200
      Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? kaye n <guikaye@gmail.com> - 2021-10-29 15:00 +0200
        Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-10-29 16:00 +0200
          Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-10-31 10:20 +0100
            Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-11-01 09:00 +0100
              Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-11-01 11:40 +0100
                Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-11-01 14:20 +0100
                  Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-11-01 15:00 +0100
                Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-11-01 15:10 +0100
                  Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-11-01 16:00 +0100
                    Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-11-01 18:00 +0100
              Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-12-10 12:30 +0100
                Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-12-13 12:50 +0100
                  Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-12-14 09:20 +0100
                    Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-12-14 12:20 +0100
        Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-10-31 10:30 +0100
    Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2021-10-29 16:40 +0200
      Re: LXQT desktop environment hangs? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2021-11-01 00:40 +0100

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#241775 — LXQT desktop environment hangs?

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Hi Friends!

LXQT says,

It will not get in your way. It will not hang or slow down your system.

However, I've experienced the opposite, especially when I'm using Firefox
browser and attempt to open several pages in different tabs.

I don't think the problem lies with Firefox though because I didn't have
that problem on Debian 10 XFCE.  I am now running Debian 11 LXQT.

I don't want to use XFCE again just because I want to try another.

Could LXDE be better?  Is there a way I can install LXDE to my existing
Debian 11 running LXQT?  Or should I just fresh install Debian 11 with LXDE
as the default desktop environment?

Thank you for your time.

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#241776

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On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 8:52 PM Andrew M.A. Cater <amacater@einval.com>
wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 08:22:15PM +0800, kaye n wrote:
> > Hi Friends!
> >
> > LXQT says,
> >
> > It will not get in your way. It will not hang or slow down your system.
> >
> > However, I've experienced the opposite, especially when I'm using Firefox
> > browser and attempt to open several pages in different tabs.
> >
>
> I think Firefox may actually be the problem: it _is_ memory hungry.
> The Web is getting heavier and more memory hungry in general - maybe
> open one or two pages and see how much faster it is.
>
> > I don't think the problem lies with Firefox though because I didn't have
> > that problem on Debian 10 XFCE.  I am now running Debian 11 LXQT.
> >
> > I don't want to use XFCE again just because I want to try another.
> >
> > Could LXDE be better?  Is there a way I can install LXDE to my existing
> > Debian 11 running LXQT?  Or should I just fresh install Debian 11 with
> LXDE
> > as the default desktop environment?
> >
> You could purge LXQT and install LXDE - using tasksel as root/root
> equivalent.
>
> YOu could just add LXDE to what you already have: they share some
> libraries,
> I think, and then switch between them. Again, use tasksel to just add
> it.
>
>
> > Thank you for your time.
>
> No problem: hope this helps,
>
> Andy Cater
>
>
Maybe you're right about Firefox.  Any "light" browsers you can recommend?

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#241782 — choice of web browsers

kaye n wrote: 
> Maybe you're right about Firefox.  Any "light" browsers you can recommend?

The problem with web browsers is that they are basically a
second operating system for computers.

(The great thing about web browsers is that they are a
nearly-universal operating system.)

The lightest web browsers are also the least capable:

lynx
w3m
elinks
links

then

cog
dillo
epiphany-browser
falkon
luakit
midori
netsurf
surf


and then the heavies:

chromium
firefox

You can substantially improve the memory usage and speed of
firefox by installing the extension ublock Origin.

-dsr-

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#241789 — Re: choice of web browsers

On Friday 29 October 2021 09:10:29 am Dan Ritter wrote:
> You can substantially improve the memory usage and speed of
> firefox by installing the extension ublock Origin.
 
Thanks for posting this,  I've installed it and reviewed a fair amount of the docs.  It looks to be truly useful...


-- 
Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
ablest -- form of life in this section of space,  a critter that can
be killed but can't be tamed.  --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
-
Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James 
M Dakin

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#241790 — Re: choice of web browsers

At 29.10.21 Dan Ritter wrote:

> and then the heavies:
> 
> chromium
> firefox

I was a long time user of Mozilla based browsers (Netscape -> Mozilla
Suite -> SeaMonkey -> Firefox) but lately I found Chromium based
browsers faster and more appealing.
Beat me, but I even prefer Chrome above Chromium. That is because I
actually like the Google integration and security updates from Google
are faster and more often delivered than for the Chromium in Debian.

Regards,
Christian

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#241803 — Re: choice of web browsers

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On Friday, October 29, 2021, Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:
> kaye n wrote:
>> Maybe you're right about Firefox.  Any "light" browsers you can
recommend?
>
> The problem with web browsers is that they are basically a
> second operating system for computers.
>
> (The great thing about web browsers is that they are a
> nearly-universal operating system.)

$ dpigs -n2 -SH
287.7M linux-signed-amd64
195.4M firefox-esr

;)

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#241820 — Re: choice of web browsers

riveravaldez wrote:
...
> $ dpigs -n2 -SH
> 287.7M linux-signed-amd64
> 195.4M firefox-esr
>
> ;)


  things be different at this machine:

$ dpigs -n8 -SH
 499.3M linux
 359.6M golang-1.16
 357.8M linux-signed-amd64
 325.8M libreoffice
 292.4M qemu
 273.7M rustc
 213.1M python3.9
 203.5M firefox


  songbird

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#241783

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 08:59:06PM +0800, kaye n wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 8:52 PM Andrew M.A. Cater <amacater@einval.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 08:22:15PM +0800, kaye n wrote:
> > > Hi Friends!
> > >
> > > LXQT says,
> > >
> > > It will not get in your way. It will not hang or slow down your system.
> > >
> > > However, I've experienced the opposite, especially when I'm using Firefox
> > > browser and attempt to open several pages in different tabs.
> > >
> >
> > I think Firefox may actually be the problem: it _is_ memory hungry.
> > The Web is getting heavier and more memory hungry in general - maybe
> > open one or two pages and see how much faster it is.
> >
> > > I don't think the problem lies with Firefox though because I didn't have
> > > that problem on Debian 10 XFCE.  I am now running Debian 11 LXQT.
> > >
> > > I don't want to use XFCE again just because I want to try another.
> > >
> > > Could LXDE be better?  Is there a way I can install LXDE to my existing
> > > Debian 11 running LXQT?  Or should I just fresh install Debian 11 with
> > LXDE
> > > as the default desktop environment?
> > >
> > You could purge LXQT and install LXDE - using tasksel as root/root
> > equivalent.
> >
> > YOu could just add LXDE to what you already have: they share some
> > libraries,
> > I think, and then switch between them. Again, use tasksel to just add
> > it.
> >
> >
> > > Thank you for your time.
> >
> > No problem: hope this helps,
> >
> > Andy Cater
> >
> >
> Maybe you're right about Firefox.  Any "light" browsers you can recommend?

If all else fails, you could try netsurf: maintained by Debian developers who
really care about the quality of their code.

It depends: websites will vary. I've actually found elinks useful for 
simple web links embedded in email, for example.

All best, as ever,

Andy Cater

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#241792

Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

>> Maybe you're right about Firefox.  Any "light" browsers you can recommend?
> 
> If all else fails, you could try netsurf: maintained by Debian developers who
> really care about the quality of their code.

Interesting, I will have a look at it too, out of curiousity. I heard
that it is even available for "modern" incarnations of AmigaOS (My first
personal web browser was IBrowse on an A1200...)

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#241793 — Netsurf

Christian Britz wrote:
> Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> 
>>> Maybe you're right about Firefox.  Any "light" browsers you can recommend?
>>
>> If all else fails, you could try netsurf: maintained by Debian developers who
>> really care about the quality of their code.
> 
> Interesting, I will have a look at it too, out of curiousity. I heard
> that it is even available for "modern" incarnations of AmigaOS (My first
> personal web browser was IBrowse on an A1200...)

First impression: _Very_ fast but fails to render many popular sites
acceptably.

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#241794 — Re: Netsurf

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30 Oct 2021, 03:29 by cbritz@t-online.de:

> Christian Britz wrote:
>
>> Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>>
>>>> Maybe you're right about Firefox.  Any "light" browsers you can recommend?
>>>>
>>>
>>> If all else fails, you could try netsurf: maintained by Debian developers who
>>> really care about the quality of their code.
>>>
>>
>> Interesting, I will have a look at it too, out of curiousity. I heard
>> that it is even available for "modern" incarnations of AmigaOS (My first
>> personal web browser was IBrowse on an A1200...)
>>
>
> First impression: _Very_ fast but fails to render many popular sites
> acceptably.
>
If you have any other KDE packages installed, try Falkon.
You will have to install one of the Konqueror extension programmes to get full configuration options, but not much space is taken up with that.
With all lighter options, there will always be compromising aspects, but I have found Falkon useful in some situations where Firefox fails, in SID, at least.
Cheers!

Harry

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#241788

On Fri 29 Oct 2021 at 20:59:06 (+0800), kaye n wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 8:52 PM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 08:22:15PM +0800, kaye n wrote:
> > > LXQT says,
> > >
> > > It will not get in your way. It will not hang or slow down your system.
> > >
> > > However, I've experienced the opposite, especially when I'm using Firefox
> > > browser and attempt to open several pages in different tabs.
> >
> > I think Firefox may actually be the problem: it _is_ memory hungry.
> > The Web is getting heavier and more memory hungry in general - maybe
> > open one or two pages and see how much faster it is.
> >
> > > I don't think the problem lies with Firefox though because I didn't have
> > > that problem on Debian 10 XFCE.  I am now running Debian 11 LXQT.
> > >
> > > I don't want to use XFCE again just because I want to try another.
> > >
> > > Could LXDE be better?  Is there a way I can install LXDE to my existing
> > > Debian 11 running LXQT?  Or should I just fresh install Debian 11 with
> > LXDE
> > > as the default desktop environment?
> > >
> > You could purge LXQT and install LXDE - using tasksel as root/root
> > equivalent.
> >
> > YOu could just add LXDE to what you already have: they share some
> > libraries,
> > I think, and then switch between them. Again, use tasksel to just add
> > it.
> >
> Maybe you're right about Firefox.  Any "light" browsers you can recommend?

Sorry, just trying to catch up here. Can we assume your internet
connection is running at better than 670kbps since Sep29?
And can you remind us whether your current problem is on the old
desktop or the 10-yr old laptop. I recall some specs for the former
(was there a typo — 10GHz?) but how much memory do they each have?
And are you running an installed 11 system, or a live USB stick?

Cheers,
David.

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#241807

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On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 10:49 PM David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
wrote:

> On Fri 29 Oct 2021 at 20:59:06 (+0800), kaye n wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 8:52 PM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 08:22:15PM +0800, kaye n wrote:
> > > > LXQT says,
> > > >
> > > > It will not get in your way. It will not hang or slow down your
> system.
> > > >
> > > > However, I've experienced the opposite, especially when I'm using
> Firefox
> > > > browser and attempt to open several pages in different tabs.
> > >
> > > I think Firefox may actually be the problem: it _is_ memory hungry.
> > > The Web is getting heavier and more memory hungry in general - maybe
> > > open one or two pages and see how much faster it is.
> > >
> > > > I don't think the problem lies with Firefox though because I didn't
> have
> > > > that problem on Debian 10 XFCE.  I am now running Debian 11 LXQT.
> > > >
> > > > I don't want to use XFCE again just because I want to try another.
> > > >
> > > > Could LXDE be better?  Is there a way I can install LXDE to my
> existing
> > > > Debian 11 running LXQT?  Or should I just fresh install Debian 11
> with
> > > LXDE
> > > > as the default desktop environment?
> > > >
> > > You could purge LXQT and install LXDE - using tasksel as root/root
> > > equivalent.
> > >
> > > YOu could just add LXDE to what you already have: they share some
> > > libraries,
> > > I think, and then switch between them. Again, use tasksel to just add
> > > it.
> > >
> > Maybe you're right about Firefox.  Any "light" browsers you can
> recommend?
>
> Sorry, just trying to catch up here. Can we assume your internet
> connection is running at better than 670kbps since Sep29?
> And can you remind us whether your current problem is on the old
> desktop or the 10-yr old laptop. I recall some specs for the former
> (was there a typo — 10GHz?) but how much memory do they each have?
> And are you running an installed 11 system, or a live USB stick?
>
> Cheers,
> David.
>

This currentLXQT /  Firefox slowing down computer issue is currently on the
old desktop computer, which has access to good wifi speed.
RAM of this desktop computer is 3GB only.
I'm running an installed 11 system, not a live USB stick.
Thank you.

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#241808

On 31/10/2021 13:22, kaye n wrote:
> This currentLXQT /  Firefox slowing down computer issue is currently on
> the old desktop computer, which has access to good wifi speed.
> RAM of this desktop computer is 3GB only.
> I'm running an installed 11 system, not a live USB stick.
> Thank you.

Please show screenshot of "htop" command running in the terminal. Let's
see if this problem you are experiencing is caused by LXQT (as you
assumed) or by inadequate hardware (my guess).

--
With kindest regards, Piotr.

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#241777

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 08:22:15PM +0800, kaye n wrote:
> Hi Friends!
> 
> LXQT says,
> 
> It will not get in your way. It will not hang or slow down your system.
> 
> However, I've experienced the opposite, especially when I'm using Firefox
> browser and attempt to open several pages in different tabs.
> 

I think Firefox may actually be the problem: it _is_ memory hungry.
The Web is getting heavier and more memory hungry in general - maybe
open one or two pages and see how much faster it is.

> I don't think the problem lies with Firefox though because I didn't have
> that problem on Debian 10 XFCE.  I am now running Debian 11 LXQT.
> 
> I don't want to use XFCE again just because I want to try another.
> 
> Could LXDE be better?  Is there a way I can install LXDE to my existing
> Debian 11 running LXQT?  Or should I just fresh install Debian 11 with LXDE
> as the default desktop environment?
> 
You could purge LXQT and install LXDE - using tasksel as root/root
equivalent.

YOu could just add LXDE to what you already have: they share some libraries, 
I think, and then switch between them. Again, use tasksel to just add
it.


> Thank you for your time.

No problem: hope this helps,

Andy Cater

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#241778

kaye n wrote: 
> LXQT says,
> 
> It will not get in your way. It will not hang or slow down your system.
> 
> However, I've experienced the opposite, especially when I'm using Firefox
> browser and attempt to open several pages in different tabs.

That's not likely to be LXQT's fault.


Can you describe the problem more precisely?

-dsr-

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#241779

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On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 8:33 PM Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:

> kaye n wrote:
> > LXQT says,
> >
> > It will not get in your way. It will not hang or slow down your system.
> >
> > However, I've experienced the opposite, especially when I'm using Firefox
> > browser and attempt to open several pages in different tabs.
>
> That's not likely to be LXQT's fault.
>
>
> Can you describe the problem more precisely?
>
> -dsr-
>

Hello!

For example when I'm using Firefox and I have about 10 to 12 websites
opened in different tabs

First tab is google, second is ebay, third is amazon, third is youtube, etc.

That's when things get real slow.

I have the CPU Monitor widget on the taskbar. It goes up to almost 100.  I
see that when the system slows down or hangs.

Again, I don't think this ever happened in my Debian 10 XFCE.  I am now
running Debian 11 LXQT.

Maybe Debian 11 simply consumes more resources?

Thank you

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#241785

My experience is that Firefox, if you open too many tabs and especially
some of the very javascript heavy ones, gets bogged down quite severely
and requires restarting.  It can slow the whole system down in my
experience.
-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.60 & org 9.5 on Debian 11.1

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#241805

On 29/10/2021 14:57, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> My experience is that Firefox, if you open too many tabs and especially
> some of the very javascript heavy ones, gets bogged down quite severely
> and requires restarting.  It can slow the whole system down in my
> experience.
>
Nah. Problem is your computer, not Firefox. Probably it's just too slow,
or you have bad hard drive or memory. I use Firefox with 50 tabs and
multiple profiles opened, Firefox total memory consumption is over 10GB
sometimes. Everything works perfectly, Firefox never let me down. But I
have plenty of RAM and decent CPU.

--
With kindest regards, Piotr.

⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org
⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀

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#241821

On Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 09:17, piorunz wrote:
> Nah. Problem is your computer, not Firefox. 

Rather dismissive?

Everything else on this "slow" computer (yes, it's old but has 4
dual-core Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-1620 v2 @ 3.70GHz processors and 32 GB
RAM) works just fine otherwise.  Drive and memory all test fine.

Only Firefox causes me problems if I let it run for a long time.  My
system is up 24/7.

YMMV, of course, and that's great for you.  But don't dismiss other
people's experiences so out of hand please.

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.60 & org 9.5 on Debian 11.1

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