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  evince has died a horrible death. Sob... gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2022-03-11 17:30 +0100
    Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob... "der.hans" <deb-user@LuftHans.com> - 2022-03-11 17:40 +0100
    Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob... Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2022-03-11 18:00 +0100
    Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob... Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2022-03-11 18:00 +0100
    Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob... <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-03-11 18:20 +0100
    Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob... Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-03-11 19:20 +0100
      Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob... gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2022-03-11 20:10 +0100
      Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob... Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-03-23 16:50 +0100
        Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob... Amn Ojee Uw <amnojeeuw@gmail.com> - 2022-03-23 17:20 +0100
    Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob... Pankaj Jangid <pankaj@codeisgreat.org> - 2022-03-12 04:50 +0100
      Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob... Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2022-03-12 05:10 +0100
        Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob... Pankaj Jangid <pankaj@codeisgreat.org> - 2022-03-12 07:00 +0100
      Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob... gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2022-03-12 05:10 +0100

#246193 — evince has died a horrible death. Sob...

Thats been the most complete pdf viewer I've ever used. But I just tried 
to look at a doc I have looked at hundreds of times over he last years, 
and it got all upset all over itself, while I was logged into that 
machine with an ssh -Y login.

What its its feature complete replacement in a buster install? This 
machine is bullseye, the logged into machine is buster.

Thank you.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

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#246195

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Am 11. Mar, 2022 schwätzte gene heskett so:

moin moin,

I dropped evince for okular a few years ago and have been happy with the
change.

I run KDE, so that might make a difference.

I do ssh -Y into containers without KDE installed to use it shooting the
display back to a debian box with KDE. I use this on a box that had
buster installed and has now been upgraded to bullseye.

ciao,

der.hans

> Thats been the most complete pdf viewer I've ever used. But I just tried
> to look at a doc I have looked at hundreds of times over he last years,
> and it got all upset all over itself, while I was logged into that
> machine with an ssh -Y login.
>
> What its its feature complete replacement in a buster install? This
> machine is bullseye, the logged into machine is buster.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.
>

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#246196

On 3/11/22, gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> Thats been the most complete pdf viewer I've ever used. But I just tried
> to look at a doc I have looked at hundreds of times over he last years,
> and it got all upset all over itself, while I was logged into that
> machine with an ssh -Y login.
>
> What its its feature complete replacement in a buster install? This
> machine is bullseye, the logged into machine is buster.


Thinking out loud.. Did you try a different PDF file to make sure it's
not just one suddenly corrupt file instead of being evince?

Personally, I use Atril on XFCE4, but all I've ever done is read
files. I follow Atril's Github that was active in the last few weeks:

https://github.com/mate-desktop/atril/

Important to note for some users is that I occasionally see requests
for useful features that apparently Atril might not do while other
packages do.

Cindy :)
-- 
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

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#246197

On 2022-03-11 17:28 UTC+0100, gene heskett wrote:
> Thats been the most complete pdf viewer I've ever used. But I just tried 
> to look at a doc I have looked at hundreds of times over he last years, 
> and it got all upset all over itself, while I was logged into that 
> machine with an ssh -Y login.
> 
> What its its feature complete replacement in a buster install? This 
> machine is bullseye, the logged into machine is buster.

What is the actual problem? How does an "upset" PDF viewer behave?

-- 
http://www.cb-fraggle.de

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#246199

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On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 11:28:05AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> Thats been the most complete pdf viewer I've ever used. But I just tried 
> to look at a doc I have looked at hundreds of times over he last years, 
> and it got all upset all over itself, while I was logged into that 
> machine with an ssh -Y login.

Your post is so full of tacit assumptions and implicit conclusions that
I have no idea where to start helping you :-)

What got upset: the doc, evince, ssh or -Y?

If yes: what are the symptoms?

Is evince really dead? If yes: how do you know?

> What its its feature complete replacement in a buster install? This 
> machine is bullseye, the logged into machine is buster.

This assumes that you want to replace evince. For whatever reason.
Explain it to us, and we might have ideas.

Cheers
-- 
t

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#246201

On Fri 11 Mar 2022 at 11:28:05 -0500, gene heskett wrote:

> Thats been the most complete pdf viewer I've ever used. But I just tried 
> to look at a doc I have looked at hundreds of times over he last years, 
> and it got all upset all over itself, while I was logged into that 
> machine with an ssh -Y login.
> 
> What its its feature complete replacement in a buster install? This 
> machine is bullseye, the logged into machine is buster.

I would advise an inexperienced, lazy or incompetent user to extcute
'apt search pdf' and search for "viewer" and "reader". Testing the
offerings striles me as fun.

"feature complete"? Judge for yourself.

-- 
Brian.

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#246206

On Friday, 11 March 2022 13:11:36 EST Brian wrote:
> On Fri 11 Mar 2022 at 11:28:05 -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> > Thats been the most complete pdf viewer I've ever used. But I just
> > tried to look at a doc I have looked at hundreds of times over he
> > last years, and it got all upset all over itself, while I was logged
> > into that machine with an ssh -Y login.
> > 
> > What its its feature complete replacement in a buster install? This
> > machine is bullseye, the logged into machine is buster.
> 
> I would advise an inexperienced, lazy or incompetent user to extcute
> 'apt search pdf' and search for "viewer" and "reader". Testing the
> offerings striles me as fun.
> 
> "feature complete"? Judge for yourself.
> 
okular appears to fit the specs now. So while it sucked in 154 other 
dependencies, its now installed on all 6 machines. Working well on all.

Thanks Brian 
> --
> Brian.
> 
> .


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

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#246568

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Answer follow...

On 2022-03-11 13:11, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 11 Mar 2022 at 11:28:05 -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> 
>> Thats been the most complete pdf viewer I've ever used. But I just tried 
>> to look at a doc I have looked at hundreds of times over he last years, 
>> and it got all upset all over itself, while I was logged into that 
>> machine with an ssh -Y login.
>>
>> What its its feature complete replacement in a buster install? This 
>> machine is bullseye, the logged into machine is buster.
> 
> I would advise an inexperienced, lazy or incompetent user to extcute
> 'apt search pdf' and search for "viewer" and "reader". Testing the
> offerings striles me as fun.
I often see excessive and useless comment, like this one "inexperience,
lazy or incompetent user". What does this add to your otherwise useful
message ?

Don't feel like ego war here but those type of attitude doesn't make
someone ask for help again.
> 
> "feature complete"? Judge for yourself.
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#246570

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On 2022-03-23 11:49 a.m., Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Answer follow...
>
> On 2022-03-11 13:11, Brian wrote:
>> On Fri 11 Mar 2022 at 11:28:05 -0500, gene heskett wrote:
>>
>>> Thats been the most complete pdf viewer I've ever used. But I just tried
>>> to look at a doc I have looked at hundreds of times over he last years,
>>> and it got all upset all over itself, while I was logged into that
>>> machine with an ssh -Y login.
>>>
>>> What its its feature complete replacement in a buster install? This
>>> machine is bullseye, the logged into machine is buster.
>> I would advise an inexperienced, lazy or incompetent user to extcute
>> 'apt search pdf' and search for "viewer" and "reader". Testing the
>> offerings striles me as fun.
> I often see excessive and useless comment, like this one "inexperience,
> lazy or incompetent user". What does this add to your otherwise useful
> message ?
>
> Don't feel like ego war here but those type of attitude doesn't make
> someone ask for help again.
>> "feature complete"? Judge for yourself.
>>

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#246227

gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> writes:

> What its its feature complete replacement in a buster install? This 
> machine is bullseye, the logged into machine is buster.
>

For reading PDFs, I still use evince (the default). For
annotating/marking in the PDFs, I use xournalpp. It is actively
maintained upstream.

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#246228

Pankaj Jangid wrote:

>> What its its feature complete replacement in a buster
>> install? This machine is bullseye, the logged into machine
>> is buster.
>
> For reading PDFs, I still use evince (the default).

I use xpdf(1) but I'm not a PDF reader power user ...

Here are some settings:

# -*- conf -*-
#
# this file:
#   https://dataswamp.org/~incal/conf/.xpdfrc

continuousView yes

bind r any reload

bind i any scrollUp(32)
bind k any scrollDown(32)
bind j any scrollLeft(32)
bind l any scrollRight(32)

bind ctrl-p any gotoPage(1)  scrollToTopEdge
bind ctrl-n any gotoLastPage scrollToBottomEdge

bind h any zoomFitPage
bind w any zoomFitWidth

# first hit 0
bind + any zoomIn
bind = any zoomIn
bind - any zoomOut
bind _ any zoomOut

bind ctrl-0 any zoomPercent(150) scrollToLeftEdge scrollRight(135)
bind z      any zoomPercent(150) scrollToLeftEdge scrollRight(135)

bind ctrl-s any find
bind      s any findNext

-- 
underground experts united
https://dataswamp.org/~incal

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#246230

Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> writes:

> Pankaj Jangid wrote:
>>
>> For reading PDFs, I still use evince (the default).
>
> I use xpdf(1) but I'm not a PDF reader power user ...
>
> Here are some settings:
>

I am also not a power user. I use what came with a default desktop
install of Debian. But I am overwhelmed by the customizability of xpdf
now.

Thanks for reminding.

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#246229

On Friday, 11 March 2022 22:45:28 EST Pankaj Jangid wrote:
> gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> writes:
> > What its its feature complete replacement in a buster install? This
> > machine is bullseye, the logged into machine is buster.
> 
> For reading PDFs, I still use evince (the default). For
> annotating/marking in the PDFs, I use xournalpp. It is actively
> maintained upstream.
> 
And having built ghostscript at about version 5 for the amiga's back in 
the day when ghostscript did both ps and pdf up to 1.2, I can appreciate 
just how difficult that trick is. My now ancient hat is off to the coder 
who gets that and actually makes it work.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

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