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  Re: Re: Google smtp and pop Marcelo Laia <marcelolaia@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 03:40 +0100
    Re: Re: Google smtp and pop <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-03-06 06:50 +0100
      Re: Google smtp and pop "tv.debian" <tv.debian@googlemail.com> - 2022-03-06 10:40 +0100
      Re: Re: Re: Google smtp and pop Marcelo Laia <marcelolaia@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 12:20 +0100
        Re: Google smtp and pop Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 16:40 +0100
        Re: Re: Re: Re: Google smtp and pop Marcelo Laia <marcelolaia@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 22:00 +0100
      Re: Google smtp and pop John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2022-03-06 16:40 +0100
        Re: Google smtp and pop Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 16:50 +0100
      Re: Re: Google smtp and pop Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-03-06 16:50 +0100
        Re: Google smtp and pop Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2022-03-07 17:30 +0100

#245975 — Re: Re: Google smtp and pop

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> Find another mail host.

Have you, or someone else, a suggestion for one alternative for Gmail?

I have been used mutt + offlineimap + msmtp for a long years (before I have
been used Sylpheed). Both, offlineimap and msmtp, can use OAUTH2. The
problem remains that day by day the token expires and a new one is needed,
and this process can be done by hand.

Marcelo

Enviado a partir de dispositivo móvel
https://linktr.ee/marcelolaia

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On Sat, Mar 05, 2022 at 11:22:40PM -0300, Marcelo Laia wrote:
> > Find another mail host.
> 
> Have you, or someone else, a suggestion for one alternative for Gmail?

I tend towards smaller, but established local providers.

For example, around here, in Germany we have posteo.de or mailbox.org. They
do cost something (1 EUR/month), but they value your privacy (f. ex. you can
pay cash for posteo, they only know your mail address).

IMAP, SMTP, some also offer extras like Nextcloud (e.g. mailbox), no fuss.

Look around you, I'm sure you'll find similar offers. They don't make that
much noise (they aren't a propaganda company, as Google is, after all) and
tend to invest the money they take from you into people doing their jobs.

Cheers
-- 
t

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#245984

Le 06/03/2022 à 06:40, tomas@tuxteam.de a écrit :
> On Sat, Mar 05, 2022 at 11:22:40PM -0300, Marcelo Laia wrote:
>>> Find another mail host.
>>
>> Have you, or someone else, a suggestion for one alternative for Gmail?
> 
> I tend towards smaller, but established local providers.
> 
> For example, around here, in Germany we have posteo.de or mailbox.org. They
> do cost something (1 EUR/month), but they value your privacy (f. ex. you can
> pay cash for posteo, they only know your mail address).
> 
> IMAP, SMTP, some also offer extras like Nextcloud (e.g. mailbox), no fuss.
> 
> Look around you, I'm sure you'll find similar offers. They don't make that
> much noise (they aren't a propaganda company, as Google is, after all) and
> tend to invest the money they take from you into people doing their jobs.
> 
> Cheers

Hi, I am not affiliated with any of the following, but I use them:

https://riseup.net/ is global U.S. based, with a free option, and they 
claim to care about user privacy (I only say "claim" because I didn't 
audit them).

https://protonmail.com/  There's a limited free option, it is global and 
operates under Swiss laws. Cares about user privacy to a great extent 
(no logs, user encrypted inbox, onion site access possible...). Only 
caveats I am aware of is that they can be compelled to reveal user IP 
address by Swiss laws (it happened once at the request of the French 
government), so if you care about that use a vpn or TOR to access your 
mails I guess. The paid options are solid professional options.

I still use gmail for public lists and general junk subscriptions, 
Thunderbird handles oauth2 nicely.

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#245989

> we have posteo.de or mailbox.org.

Thank you! Look at posteo and mailbox plans.

I have been looked at protonMail.com. What I need is IMAP and SMTP for
offline uses. I plan to continue use offlineimap + msmtp + mutt for a
long time. GMail offers this, but, after OAuth2 implementation, token
expires day by day. It's annoying.

Thank you!

-- 
Marcelo

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#246000

On Sun, 6 Mar 2022, Marcelo Laia wrote:

>
>> we have posteo.de or mailbox.org.
>
> Thank you! Look at posteo and mailbox plans.
>
> I have been looked at protonMail.com. What I need is IMAP and SMTP for
> offline uses. I plan to continue use offlineimap + msmtp + mutt for a
> long time. GMail offers this, but, after OAuth2 implementation, token
> expires day by day. It's annoying.
>
> Thank you!
>
>

I wonder if anyone knows if there's a set-up which would work with 
Alpine?

I am willing to switch to Mutt if need be but it would be nice if I 
could continue in my old ways, more rather than less.

f.

-- 
Felmon Davis

Verbum sat sapienti.

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#246010

For someone that have same problem as mine, "Token has been expired or
revoked" in Gmail OAuth2 authentication method each seven days, I found
a how to by pass this one:

https://stackoverflow.com/a/67966982/1461165

-- 
Marcelo

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#246001

 Marcelo Laia wrote:
> Have you, or someone else, a suggestion for one alternative for Gmail?

I use pobox.com .  My wife uses the email service that comes with our
Web site on Gandi.  Both are quite satisfactory.

Unlike some others I don't consider Google "evil".  They're just an
advertising agency.  I do, however, find it baffling that people use the
email service that they give away as a promotional gimmick for anything
important.  
-- 
John Hasler 
john@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#246002

On Sun, 6 Mar 2022, John Hasler wrote:

> Marcelo Laia wrote:
>> Have you, or someone else, a suggestion for one alternative for Gmail?
>
> I use pobox.com .  My wife uses the email service that comes with our
> Web site on Gandi.  Both are quite satisfactory.
>
> Unlike some others I don't consider Google "evil".  They're just an
> advertising agency.  I do, however, find it baffling that people use the
> email service that they give away as a promotional gimmick for anything
> important.

the university uses 'Google Apps for Education'. no problems.

I read this list through plain google. also I do some commercial communication with it.

no advertisements I can connect with using it. there is spam but all 
of it is wholly unrelated to anything I am doing.

I use Alpine though as mail client, the web-interface I use for 
searches or to more easily grab URL's I want.

(maybe I reveal too much?!)


-- 
Felmon

Verbum sat sapienti.

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#246003

On Sun 06 Mar 2022 at 06:40:07 +0100, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 05, 2022 at 11:22:40PM -0300, Marcelo Laia wrote:
> > > Find another mail host.
> > 
> > Have you, or someone else, a suggestion for one alternative for Gmail?
> 
> I tend towards smaller, but established local providers.
> 
> For example, around here, in Germany we have posteo.de or mailbox.org. They
> do cost something (1 EUR/month), but they value your privacy (f. ex. you can
> pay cash for posteo, they only know your mail address).
> 
> IMAP, SMTP, some also offer extras like Nextcloud (e.g. mailbox), no fuss.
> 
> Look around you, I'm sure you'll find similar offers. They don't make that
> much noise (they aren't a propaganda company, as Google is, after all) and
> tend to invest the money they take from you into people doing their jobs.

I came across Disroot (disroot.org) the other day. Looks interesting
and worth considering.

 > We do not wish for Disroot to become one centralized entity but
 > rather a part of a larger community - one node out of many. We
 > hope others will be inspired to create more projects with similar
 > intentions.

-- 
Brian.

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#246021

On Sunday,  6 Mar 2022 at 15:41, Brian wrote:
> I came across Disroot (disroot.org) the other day. Looks interesting
> and worth considering.

I've been using disroot for some time now for personal email (work is
Exchange unfortunately with 2FA which I access by using davmail).
Disroot works very well for me and comes with nextcloud as well which is
useful.

-- 
Eric S Fraga with org 9.5.2 in Emacs 29.0.50 on Debian 11.2

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