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  Which flavour for a 2GB RAM laptop? Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> - 2022-03-04 12:00 +0100
    Re: Which flavour for a 2GB RAM laptop? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2022-03-04 15:50 +0100
    Re: Which flavour for a 2GB RAM laptop? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2022-03-05 02:00 +0100
      Re: Which flavour for a 2GB RAM laptop? Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> - 2022-03-05 11:20 +0100
        Re: Which flavour for a 2GB RAM laptop? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2022-03-05 16:30 +0100
        Re: Which flavour for a 2GB RAM laptop? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2022-03-07 04:30 +0100
    Re: Which flavour for a 2GB RAM laptop? 황병희 <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> - 2022-03-07 08:10 +0100
      Re: Which flavour for a 2GB RAM laptop? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2022-03-07 18:40 +0100

#245868 — Which flavour for a 2GB RAM laptop?

One of my memory slot has died, so I am running a Thinkpad with 2GB ram 
only. I have been told that, even if I put a 4GB ram module in, it won't 
be as fast as 2x2GB ram (true? Stop me here if I am wrong). Never mind 
put an 8GB stick; it might not even work.

At the moment I'm running a heavily hacked LMDE4 (Buster) with a lot of 
Mint customisations off. What flavour of Debian should I replace my 
LMDE4 with? And does it make any difference? My memory hogs are Chromium 
and Firefox, the rest is ok.

Thanks, merci, grazie.


-- 
Ottavio Caruso

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#245876

> One of my memory slot has died, so I am running a Thinkpad with 2GB ram
> only. I have been told that, even if I put a 4GB ram module in, it won't be
> as fast as 2x2GB ram (true? Stop me here if I am wrong). Never mind put an
> 8GB stick; it might not even work.

AFAIK yes, your machine may be faster with 2x2GB than with 1x4GB, but
the difference will depend a lot on the specific application and I'd
expect that in most cases you won't notice it unless you actively try to
measure it.  Whether 2GB+4GB would be faster or slower than 2x2GB will
depend even more on the application.  I'd go with the "more RAM" option
because the worse slowdown you might experience just because the RAMs
aren't paired is much less than the slowdown you experience when the
machine needs to swap for lack of RAM.

If I were you I'd check with something like thinkwiki what the machine
can take and upgrade it to as much RAM you can (within technical and
financial limits).

> At the moment I'm running a heavily hacked LMDE4 (Buster) with a lot of Mint
>  customisations off. What flavour of Debian should I replace my LMDE4 with?
>  And does it make any difference? My memory hogs are Chromium and Firefox,
> the rest is ok.

I occasionally use a 1GB laptop (Thinkpad X30) with XFCE4 and Debian
stable, and regularly use a 3GB laptop (Thinkpad T60)  with XFCE4 and
Debian testing.  I can't give a reliable estimate, but my guess is that
2GB should be enough that running a more lightweight desktop environment
than what you have will not make a significant difference.  The memory
hogs you mention will still eat all your memory anyway.


        Stefan

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#245937

On 3/4/22 02:47, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
> One of my memory slot has died, 


I would retire that computer.


> so I am running a Thinkpad 


What model/ part number is the Thinkpad?

What make/ model/ part number is the processor?

What make/ model/ part number are the hard disk(s) and/or solid state 
drives?


> with 2GB ram only. 


What make/ model/ part number are the memory module(s)?


> I have been told that, even if I put a 4GB ram module in, it won't 
> be as fast as 2x2GB ram (true? Stop me here if I am wrong). 


If the motherboard, chipset, CPU, GPU, etc., support multiple memory 
channels ("dual channel" is common) and you install the correct memory 
modules (e.g. "matched pair"), connected hardware will be able to access 
memory banks in parallel and the computer will perform better (less 
latency, more throughput) .  You want that; the effect is noticeable.


> Never mind put an 8GB stick; it might not even work.


The technical manual for your computer should tell you what memory 
modules are supported.  As another reader suggested, you might want to 
"max it out" by installing the biggest, fastest supported memory modules 
in every available memory slot.


> At the moment I'm running a heavily hacked LMDE4 (Buster) with a lot of 
> Mint customisations off. What flavour of Debian should I replace my 
> LMDE4 with? And does it make any difference? My memory hogs are Chromium 
> and Firefox, the rest is ok.


I recommend the network install image of Debian Stable:

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/

debian-11.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso


Be sure to download a checksum file (e.g. SHA256SUMS) and verify the 
checksum of the ISO file after downloading.  If you want to be extra 
careful, download the checksum signature file (e.g. SHA256SUMS.sign) and 
verify the signature.


Burn the ISO to a fast USB flash drive.  Verify the checksum of the 
burned image before booting (one booted, the Debian installer may write 
to the USB flash drive and the checksum will no longer match).


If you select "Install" at the Debian Installer main menu, you should be 
able to choose among various desktop environments (I run Xfce).  If you 
select "expert", you should have even more control.  It is also possible 
to install additional login managers, window managers, desktop 
environments, etc., at a later time.


David

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#245952

On 05/03/2022 00:56, David Christensen wrote:
> On 3/4/22 02:47, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
>> One of my memory slot has died, 
> 
> 
> I would retire that computer.

Thanks. Where do I send my bank details for the funding of a new laptop?

> 
> 
>> so I am running a Thinkpad 
> 
> 
> What model/ part number is the Thinkpad?
> 

$ inxi -F && sudo inxi -m
System:    Host: e130 Kernel: 4.19.0-17-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: 
MATE 1.20.4 Distro: LMDE 4 Debbie
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 33588QG v: ThinkPad Edge 
E130 serial: <root required>
            Mobo: LENOVO model: 33588QG v: Win8 Pro DPK TPG serial: 
<root required> UEFI: LENOVO v: H4ET98WW (2.58 )
            date: 08/24/2016
Battery:   ID-1: BAT1 charge: 34.3 Wh condition: 57.6/62.2 Wh (93%)
CPU:       Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core i3-3217U bits: 64 type: 
MT MCP L2 cache: 3072 KiB
            Speed: 798 MHz min/max: 800/1800 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 
798 2: 798 3: 798 4: 798
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics driver: i915 
v: kernel
            Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: modesetting 
unloaded: fbdev,vesa resolution: 1366x768~60Hz
            OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile v: 4.2 
Mesa 18.3.6
Audio:     Device-1: Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Definition Audio 
driver: snd_hda_intel
            Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.0-17-amd64
Network:   Device-1: Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2230 driver: iwlwifi
            IF: wlp3s0 state: up mac: 84:a6:c8:a8:de:be
            Device-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit 
Ethernet driver: r8169
            IF: enp9s0 state: down mac: 08:9e:01:35:89:ce
            Device-3: Ericsson Business Mobile Networks BV H5321 gw 
Mobile Broadband Driver type: USB
            driver: cdc_acm,cdc_ncm,cdc_wdm
            IF: wwp0s29u1u6i6 state: down mac: 02:15:e0:ec:01:00
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 465.76 GiB used: 285.99 GiB (61.4%)
            ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Hitachi model: HTS725050A7E630 size: 
465.76 GiB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 47.81 GiB used: 17.35 GiB (36.3%) fs: ext4 dev: 
/dev/sda5
            ID-2: /home size: 46.45 GiB used: 26.20 GiB (56.4%) fs: ext4 
dev: /dev/sda8
            ID-3: swap-1 size: 8.08 GiB used: 164.6 MiB (2.0%) fs: swap 
dev: /dev/sda7
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 47.0 C mobo: 0.0 C
            Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 598
Info:      Processes: 167 Uptime: 15h 46m Memory: 1.73 GiB used: 899.0 
MiB (50.8%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.32
Memory:    RAM: total: 1.73 GiB used: 898.5 MiB (50.7%)
            Array-1: capacity: 16 GiB slots: 2 EC: None
            Device-1: ChannelA-DIMM0 size: No Module Installed
            Device-2: ChannelB-DIMM0 size: 2 GiB speed: 1333 MT/s


-- 
Ottavio Caruso

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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#245958

Ottavio Caruso [2022-03-05 10:10:41] wrote:
> On 05/03/2022 00:56, David Christensen wrote:
>> On 3/4/22 02:47, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
>>> One of my memory slot has died, 
>> I would retire that computer.
> Thanks. Where do I send my bank details for the funding of a new laptop?

Agreed here: no need to create more electronic junk if the system still
works well enough.

> CPU:       Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core i3-3217U bits: 64 type: MT
> MCP L2 cache: 3072 KiB
>            Speed: 798 MHz min/max: 800/1800 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 798 2:
>           798 3: 798 4: 798

1.8GHz is disappointingly slow for a 2012 system, but I spend most of my
time working on 2GHz machines of the Core2 era and rarely miss the extra
speed of my more modern systems, so that's probably no strong reason to
replace the machine.
[ Obviously, that depends on your usage pattern.  ]

> Graphics:  Device-1: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel
>            Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: modesetting unloaded:
>           fbdev,vesa resolution: 1366x768~60Hz
>            OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile v: 4.2 Mesa
>           18.3.6

Here I must admit that I wouldn't be able to work with such a runt screen.

> Memory:    RAM: total: 1.73 GiB used: 898.5 MiB (50.7%)
>            Array-1: capacity: 16 GiB slots: 2 EC: None
>            Device-1: ChannelA-DIMM0 size: No Module Installed
>            Device-2: ChannelB-DIMM0 size: 2 GiB speed: 1333 MT/s

As is surprisingly frequent, the official spec from Lenovo says the max
is 8GB even though the above says the max is actually 16GB.
That's probably because the 8GB SODIMMs were not available yet when the
machine was released even tho the hardware already supported them.

In any case, a quick look suggests 8GB of DDR3-1600MHz SODIMMs will set
you back about $50.  Depending on the use you make of the machine and
your budget, $25 will get you 4GB which together with the 2GB you
already have will get you 6GB which should be quite sufficient.

If you're thrifty you might even be able to find such a 4GB SODIMM for
free by asking some friends (it's considered old enough that people may
have such parts lying around not used any more).


        Stefan

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#246013

On 3/5/22 02:10, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
> On 05/03/2022 00:56, David Christensen wrote:
>> On 3/4/22 02:47, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
>>> One of my memory slot has died, 
>>
>>
>> I would retire that computer.
> 
> Thanks. Where do I send my bank details for the funding of a new laptop?
> 
>>
>>
>>> so I am running a Thinkpad 
>>
>>
>> What model/ part number is the Thinkpad?
>>
> 
> $ inxi -F && sudo inxi -m
> System:    Host: e130 Kernel: 4.19.0-17-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: 
> MATE 1.20.4 Distro: LMDE 4 Debbie
> Machine:   Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 33588QG v: ThinkPad Edge 
> E130 serial: <root required>
>             Mobo: LENOVO model: 33588QG v: Win8 Pro DPK TPG serial: 
> <root required> UEFI: LENOVO v: H4ET98WW (2.58 )
>             date: 08/24/2016
> Battery:   ID-1: BAT1 charge: 34.3 Wh condition: 57.6/62.2 Wh (93%)
> CPU:       Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core i3-3217U bits: 64 type: 
> MT MCP L2 cache: 3072 KiB
>             Speed: 798 MHz min/max: 800/1800 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 
> 798 2: 798 3: 798 4: 798
> Graphics:  Device-1: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics driver: i915 
> v: kernel
>             Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: modesetting 
> unloaded: fbdev,vesa resolution: 1366x768~60Hz
>             OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile v: 4.2 
> Mesa 18.3.6
> Audio:     Device-1: Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Definition Audio 
> driver: snd_hda_intel
>             Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.0-17-amd64
> Network:   Device-1: Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2230 driver: iwlwifi
>             IF: wlp3s0 state: up mac: 84:a6:c8:a8:de:be
>             Device-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit 
> Ethernet driver: r8169
>             IF: enp9s0 state: down mac: 08:9e:01:35:89:ce
>             Device-3: Ericsson Business Mobile Networks BV H5321 gw 
> Mobile Broadband Driver type: USB
>             driver: cdc_acm,cdc_ncm,cdc_wdm
>             IF: wwp0s29u1u6i6 state: down mac: 02:15:e0:ec:01:00
> Drives:    Local Storage: total: 465.76 GiB used: 285.99 GiB (61.4%)
>             ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Hitachi model: HTS725050A7E630 size: 
> 465.76 GiB
> Partition: ID-1: / size: 47.81 GiB used: 17.35 GiB (36.3%) fs: ext4 dev: 
> /dev/sda5
>             ID-2: /home size: 46.45 GiB used: 26.20 GiB (56.4%) fs: ext4 
> dev: /dev/sda8
>             ID-3: swap-1 size: 8.08 GiB used: 164.6 MiB (2.0%) fs: swap 
> dev: /dev/sda7
> Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 47.0 C mobo: 0.0 C
>             Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 598
> Info:      Processes: 167 Uptime: 15h 46m Memory: 1.73 GiB used: 899.0 
> MiB (50.8%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.32
> Memory:    RAM: total: 1.73 GiB used: 898.5 MiB (50.7%)
>             Array-1: capacity: 16 GiB slots: 2 EC: None
>             Device-1: ChannelA-DIMM0 size: No Module Installed
>             Device-2: ChannelB-DIMM0 size: 2 GiB speed: 1333 MT/s


Is the Lenovo ThinkPad Edge E130 your one and only computer?  If and 
when the other memory socket goes bad, you will be in a tough situation. 
  It would be better to get a working computer now, install Debian, 
migrate your data, and then recycle the E130.


Used equipment is a much better value than new equipment.  I prefer 
computers with Xeon processors, integrated graphics, and ECC memory.


Rack mount servers can be found on eBay starting around US$100 (you 
provide the HDD/SSD and Debian):

https://www.ebay.com/sch/175698/i.html?_nkw=xeon+ecc&_sop=15


Entry-level tower servers with Xeon E3 v5 processors and Intel 
integrated graphics start around US$200, and also work well as desktop 
machines (again, you provide the HDD/SSD and Debian):

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=xeon+e3-1225+v5+tower&_sop=15


David

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#246017

Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> writes:

> One of my memory slot has died, so I am running a Thinkpad with 2GB
> ram only. I have been told that, even if I put a 4GB ram module in, it
> won't be as fast as 2x2GB ram (true? Stop me here if I am
> wrong). Never mind put an 8GB stick; it might not even work.
>
> At the moment I'm running a heavily hacked LMDE4 (Buster) with a lot
> of Mint customisations off. What flavour of Debian should I replace my 
> LMDE4 with? And does it make any difference? My memory hogs are
> Chromium and Firefox, the rest is ok.

Hi, grazie!

My 1st chromebook(codename: alex)[0] have only 2GB ram. At that time
(in 2016), i did install Ubuntu 12.04 LTS via Crouton[1] at there the
chromebook. It was not bad.

So if you want Debian, Jessie (stable)[2] seems proper to you, i guess. 
(also it would be good to try xfce ho ho ho ^^^)

REFERENCE: [0-2]
[0]
<https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-information-for-chrome-os-devices/samsung-series-5-chromebook/>
[1] <https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton>
[2] <https://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie>

Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee

-- 
^고맙습니다 _地平天成_ 감사합니다_^))//

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#246023

On Mon, Mar 07, 2022 at 04:06:01PM +0900, 황병희 wrote:
> Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> writes:
> 
> > One of my memory slot has died, so I am running a Thinkpad with 2GB
> > ram only. I have been told that, even if I put a 4GB ram module in, it
> > won't be as fast as 2x2GB ram (true? Stop me here if I am
> > wrong). Never mind put an 8GB stick; it might not even work.
> >
> > At the moment I'm running a heavily hacked LMDE4 (Buster) with a lot
> > of Mint customisations off. What flavour of Debian should I replace my 
> > LMDE4 with? And does it make any difference? My memory hogs are
> > Chromium and Firefox, the rest is ok.
> 
> Hi, grazie!
> 
> My 1st chromebook(codename: alex)[0] have only 2GB ram. At that time
> (in 2016), i did install Ubuntu 12.04 LTS via Crouton[1] at there the
> chromebook. It was not bad.
> 
> So if you want Debian, Jessie (stable)[2] seems proper to you, i guess. 
> (also it would be good to try xfce ho ho ho ^^^)
> 

XFCE / Mate or Cinnamon all work on my Lenovo Ideapad with 32G disk and 2G RAM.
Web browsing may be a little slower using Firefox - don't open too many tabs.
This with Bullseye (Debian 11).

Please don't use Jessie at this point: it's almost entirely out of support by
anybody. Consider using something completely up to date.

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater


> REFERENCE: [0-2]
> [0]
> <https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-information-for-chrome-os-devices/samsung-series-5-chromebook/>
> [1] <https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton>
> [2] <https://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie>
> 
> Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee
> 
> -- 
> ^고맙습니다 _地平天成_ 감사합니다_^))//
> 

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