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  Changing hardware James Allsopp <jamesaallsopp@googlemail.com> - 2022-03-09 00:10 +0100
    Re: Changing hardware piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2022-03-09 00:20 +0100
      Re: Changing hardware Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2022-03-09 05:40 +0100
        Re: Changing hardware piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2022-03-09 08:20 +0100
          Re: Changing hardware Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2022-03-09 10:30 +0100
            Re: Changing hardware James Allsopp <jamesaallsopp@googlemail.com> - 2022-03-10 14:40 +0100
    Re: Changing hardware Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2022-03-09 01:00 +0100

#246094 — Changing hardware

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Hi,
My old core2 (8gb ram) died after a power cycle,so I bought an AMD Ryzen
5800 with 32Gb Ram and a new motherboard and a new nvidia graphics card.I
converted the boot system over to EFI (
https://blog.getreu.net/projects/legacy-to-uefi-boot/).

I was going to upgrade to Debian 11 anyway, but is there a way to update
all the drivers and kernel to reflect the new hardware?

Thanks
James

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#246095

On 08/03/2022 23:00, James Allsopp wrote:
> Hi,
> My old core2 (8gb ram) died after a power cycle,so I bought an AMD Ryzen
> 5800 with 32Gb Ram and a new motherboard and a new nvidia graphics
> card.I converted the boot system over to EFI
> (https://blog.getreu.net/projects/legacy-to-uefi-boot/
> <https://blog.getreu.net/projects/legacy-to-uefi-boot/>).
>
> I was going to upgrade to Debian 11 anyway, but is there a way to update
> all the drivers and kernel to reflect the new hardware?

You could have purchased Radeon GPU... Now you will be on mercy of
Nvidia to provide you with up to date, and compatible non-free firmware
for your GPU. Radeon on the other hand, are always up to date, and
always free, as drivers for that GPU are built in the kernel.

Anyway, these steps will sort you out:
Upgrade to Debian 11.
There is two additional steps you can do after that if you want to
install non-free firmware for your new computer:

amd64-microcode package for newest CPU microcode from AMD

nvidia-detect package: run nvidia-detect tool and it will tell you which
nvidia driver package you need to install to have proprietary driver for
your GPU.

That's about it.

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#246102

piorunz composed on 2022-03-08 23:15 (UTC):

> James Allsopp wrote:

>> My old core2 (8gb ram) died after a power cycle,so I bought an AMD Ryzen
>> 5800 with 32Gb Ram and a new motherboard and a new nvidia graphics

> You could have purchased Radeon GPU... Now you will be on mercy of
> Nvidia to provide you with up to date, and compatible non-free firmware
> for your GPU. Radeon on the other hand, are always up to date, and
> always free, as drivers for that GPU are built in the kernel.

Free drivers exist for NVidia GPUs too, nouveau for the GPU device driver,
modesetting DIX and nouveau DDX to choose from for the display driver. The latter
is old technology, reverse-engineered, and optional.

> nvidia-detect package: run nvidia-detect tool and it will tell you which
> nvidia driver package you need to install to have proprietary driver for
> your GPU.
	
NVidia's proprietary drivers are optional, not required, so the extra nuisance of
them, when installed, is self-imposed.
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#246104

On 09/03/2022 04:31, Felix Miata wrote:

> Free drivers exist for NVidia GPUs too, nouveau for the GPU device driver,
> modesetting DIX and nouveau DDX to choose from for the display driver. The latter
> is old technology, reverse-engineered, and optional.

Free drivers are terrible to use if user wants hardware acceleration.
Clocks are not ramped up, because nouveau does not support re-clocking.
That means horrible performance, or crashes. I don't ever recommend, or
sometimes even mention, nouveau.
Disclaimer:
I use nouveau myself on my server for unaccelerated display purposes, I
know what I am doing. nouveau is stable and it only crashed about 2
times in last 2 years or non-stop operation, when used to display
desktop without any multimedia or browser usage.

But I will never recommend that to normal users who wants to use their
computer as a desktop machine with multimedia, 4K 60fps video, various
games, you name it.

>> nvidia-detect package: run nvidia-detect tool and it will tell you which
>> nvidia driver package you need to install to have proprietary driver for
>> your GPU.
>
> NVidia's proprietary drivers are optional, not required, so the extra nuisance of
> them, when installed, is self-imposed.

Extra nuisance is self-imposed on all modern Nvidia GPU users, because
they need to install and maintain non-free driver. If they don't do
that, they get this:
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia-nouveau-2019&num=2

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#246107

piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> writes:

> Free drivers are terrible to use if user wants hardware acceleration.
> Clocks are not ramped up, because nouveau does not support re-clocking.
> That means horrible performance, or crashes. I don't ever recommend, or
> sometimes even mention, nouveau.

Hear, hear. I was actually surprised recently when my "new" laptop
actually produced video with nouveau but after some glitches I just
installed the proprietary nvidia-driver. This "new" laptop is 2016
vintage with Quadro M2000 video, roughly equivalent to a GTX950 and
hence Maxwell-based. Even for it especially the power management and
video decode/encode acceleration support look pretty sad on the Nouveau
feature matrix (https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/FeatureMatrix.html).

Not to mention the RTX3070Ti in my desktop.

Still, impressive effort from the Nouveau project considering how many
chips Nvidia has pushed out over the years.

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#246156

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Hi,
Thanks for all your help, just starting upgrading to Debian 11. Reasons for
going with nvidia was it was the cheapest thing I could find, passively
cooled, and I do a bit of stuff with Cuda so nvidia is the only game in
town. I am using nouveau at the moment, thank god, I'd hate to do this with
nvidia kernel drivers!

Thanks
James



On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 at 09:27, Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> wrote:

> piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> writes:
>
> > Free drivers are terrible to use if user wants hardware acceleration.
> > Clocks are not ramped up, because nouveau does not support re-clocking.
> > That means horrible performance, or crashes. I don't ever recommend, or
> > sometimes even mention, nouveau.
>
> Hear, hear. I was actually surprised recently when my "new" laptop
> actually produced video with nouveau but after some glitches I just
> installed the proprietary nvidia-driver. This "new" laptop is 2016
> vintage with Quadro M2000 video, roughly equivalent to a GTX950 and
> hence Maxwell-based. Even for it especially the power management and
> video decode/encode acceleration support look pretty sad on the Nouveau
> feature matrix (https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/FeatureMatrix.html).
>
> Not to mention the RTX3070Ti in my desktop.
>
> Still, impressive effort from the Nouveau project considering how many
> chips Nvidia has pushed out over the years.
>
>

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#246097

James Allsopp wrote: 
> Hi,
> My old core2 (8gb ram) died after a power cycle,so I bought an AMD Ryzen
> 5800 with 32Gb Ram and a new motherboard and a new nvidia graphics card.I
> converted the boot system over to EFI (
> https://blog.getreu.net/projects/legacy-to-uefi-boot/).
> 
> I was going to upgrade to Debian 11 anyway, but is there a way to update
> all the drivers and kernel to reflect the new hardware?
>

Assuming you had a 64-bit kernel installed to begin with --
you probably did, the Core2 series supported that -- you don't
need a kernel change at all.

Drivers can be added easily: you should try nouveau first if
your card is supported, and if not, install the NVidia drivers.

-dsr-

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