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  Google smtp and pop Marc Auslander <marcausl@gmail.com> - 2022-03-04 17:20 +0100
    Re: Google smtp and pop Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2022-03-04 17:30 +0100
    Re: Google smtp and pop Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2022-03-04 17:40 +0100
    Re: Google smtp and pop mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2022-03-04 19:50 +0100
    Re: Google smtp and pop 황병희 <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> - 2022-03-05 04:50 +0100
    Re: Google smtp and pop Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-03-05 14:30 +0100
      Re: Google smtp and pop Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz> - 2022-03-06 00:00 +0100
        Re: Google smtp and pop Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-03-06 00:40 +0100
          Re: Google smtp and pop Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz> - 2022-03-06 01:00 +0100
    Re: Google smtp and pop Richmond <richmond@criptext.com> - 2022-03-06 23:20 +0100
    Re: Google smtp and pop Robbi Nespu <robbinespu@gmail.com> - 2022-03-09 02:10 +0100

#245885 — Google smtp and pop

Google has now said they are pulling the plug on userid/password 
authentication for apps.

I use fetchmail and exim4 to get and send mail.  Neither, AFAIK, 
supports OAUTH2.  I'm also still on stretch but will update if I have to.

So what suggestions does anyone have for dealing with OAUTH2 access to 
gmail?

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#245888

I userd getmail instead of fetchmail in the past, and a quick web search
reveals that it seems to support OAUTH2:
https://www.bytereef.org/howto/oauth2/getmail.html.

Regards,
Christian


On 2022-03-04 16:59 UTC+0100, Marc Auslander wrote:
> Google has now said they are pulling the plug on userid/password 
> authentication for apps.
> 
> I use fetchmail and exim4 to get and send mail.  Neither, AFAIK, 
> supports OAUTH2.  I'm also still on stretch but will update if I have to.
> 
> So what suggestions does anyone have for dealing with OAUTH2 access to 
> gmail?
> 

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#245889

On Friday,  4 Mar 2022 at 10:59, Marc Auslander wrote:
> So what suggestions does anyone have for dealing with OAUTH2 access to
> gmail?

I'm using davmail [http://davmail.sourceforge.net/] for this with
Outlook exchange servers as the one I have to use has also moved to
oauth2 access only. I switched sometime last year (not exactly a great
time to make it difficult to connect, in the middle of a pandemic,
working from home... :-() and it has been working perfectly ever since.

It means changing your email server setting to be localhost in whatever
tool you use to read emails (I use gnus in Emacs) and davmail sends on
requests to the actual server.  Instructions, at least for Outlook, on
the website.  Not sure about gmail, mind you.

-- 
Eric S Fraga with org 9.5.2 in Emacs 29.0.50 on Debian 11.2

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#245903

On 2022-03-04 15:59, Marc Auslander wrote:
> Google has now said they are pulling the plug on userid/password
> authentication for apps.
> 
> I use fetchmail and exim4 to get and send mail.  Neither, AFAIK,
> supports OAUTH2.  I'm also still on stretch but will update if I have
> to.
> 
> So what suggestions does anyone have for dealing with OAUTH2 access to 
> gmail?

Seems you have to setup a separate per application password, not looked 
yet.

mick

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#245946

> So what suggestions does anyone have for dealing with OAUTH2 access to
> gmail?

Just i did make app password (a 16-digit passcode).

Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee

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#245955

On Fri 04 Mar 2022 at 10:59:45 -0500, Marc Auslander wrote:

> Google has now said they are pulling the plug on userid/password
> authentication for apps.
> 
> I use fetchmail and exim4 to get and send mail.  Neither, AFAIK, supports
> OAUTH2.  I'm also still on stretch but will update if I have to.
> 
> So what suggestions does anyone have for dealing with OAUTH2 access to
> gmail?

Google's email has

  > On 30 May, you may lose...

That's "may", not "will".

>From their first link:

  >  If "Less secure app access" is on for your account
  >     Because less secure apps can make your account more
  >     vulnerable, Google will automatically turn this setting
  >     off **if it’s not being used**.

The empasis is mine.

There isn't any indication that the setting is beimg removed. Panic
over?

-- 
Brian.

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#245966

On 06/03/2022 02:26, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 04 Mar 2022 at 10:59:45 -0500, Marc Auslander wrote:
>> Google has now said they are pulling the plug on userid/password
>> authentication for apps.
> Google's email has
>    > On 30 May, you may lose...
> That's "may", not "will".
[...]
> There isn't any indication that the setting is beimg removed. Panic
> over?

 From later in their email, on 30 May, "Google *will* no longer [...]" 
(emphasis mine). From their email:

"To help keep your account secure, Google will no longer support the use 
of third-party apps or devices which ask you to sign in to your Google 
Account using only your username and password. Instead, you’ll need to 
sign in using Sign in with Google or other more secure technologies, 
like OAuth 2.0."

Options include either using client software that supports OAuth2 (such 
as Thunderbird) or enabling 2FA on your Google account to get access to 
App Passwords for client software that does not yet support OAuth2 (such 
as K-9 Mail).

Kind regards,

-- 
Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz>
Director
Transient Software Limited <https://transient.nz/>
New Zealand

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#245969

On Sun 06 Mar 2022 at 11:54:28 +1300, Ash Joubert wrote:

> On 06/03/2022 02:26, Brian wrote:
> > On Fri 04 Mar 2022 at 10:59:45 -0500, Marc Auslander wrote:
> > > Google has now said they are pulling the plug on userid/password
> > > authentication for apps.
> > Google's email has
> >    > On 30 May, you may lose...
> > That's "may", not "will".
> [...]
> > There isn't any indication that the setting is beimg removed. Panic
> > over?
> 
> From later in their email, on 30 May, "Google *will* no longer [...]"
> (emphasis mine). From their email:
> 
> "To help keep your account secure, Google will no longer support the use of
> third-party apps or devices which ask you to sign in to your Google Account
> using only your username and password. Instead, you’ll need to sign in using
> Sign in with Google or other more secure technologies, like OAuth 2.0."
> 
> Options include either using client software that supports OAuth2 (such as
> Thunderbird) or enabling 2FA on your Google account to get access to App
> Passwords for client software that does not yet support OAuth2 (such as K-9
> Mail).

Indeed. But confusion still reigns in my mind.

Should the above removal of support turm out to be the case, it takes
only a moment to have mail forwarded elsewhere to be picked up.

-- 
Brian.

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#245972

On 06/03/2022 12:33, Brian wrote:
> Should the above removal of support turm out to be the case, it takes
> only a moment to have mail forwarded elsewhere to be picked up.

Indeed, but you will lose the ability to send email from your Gmail 
address via Gmail SMTP.

Kind regards,

-- 
Ash Joubert <ash@transient.nz>
Director
Transient Software Limited <https://transient.nz/>
New Zealand

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#246011

Marc Auslander <marcausl@gmail.com> writes:

> Google has now said they are pulling the plug on userid/password
> authentication for apps.
>
> I use fetchmail and exim4 to get and send mail.  Neither, AFAIK,
> supports OAUTH2.  I'm also still on stretch but will update if I have
> to.
>
> So what suggestions does anyone have for dealing with OAUTH2 access to
> gmail?

It doesn't say that. Signing into your google account is not the same as
signing into a pop3/smtp/imap server. You will be able to use app
passwords for that.

https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255

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#246100

Where you saw the information?
I suggest to use app password instead of real password. It also easy to 
identify if the apps we use misbehave and grant specific permissions.

-- 
Regards
Robbi Nespu

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