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reinstalls now about 15, no fix for unwanted brltty. or speech synth announcing every keypress

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  reinstalls now about 15, no fix for unwanted brltty. or speech synth  announcing every keypress Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2022-02-19 20:30 +0100
    Re: reinstalls now about 15, no fix for unwanted brltty. or speech  synth announcing every keypress David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-02-19 21:10 +0100
    Re: reinstalls now about 15, no fix for unwanted brltty. or speech  synth announcing every keypress Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-02-19 21:30 +0100
      Re: reinstalls now about 15, no fix for unwanted brltty. or speech synth announcing every keypress gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2022-02-20 03:10 +0100
        Re: reinstalls now about 15, no fix for unwanted brltty. or speech  synth announcing every keypress David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2022-02-20 03:40 +0100
    Re: reinstalls now about 15, no fix for unwanted brltty. or speech  synth announcing every keypress David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2022-02-19 21:40 +0100

#245560 — reinstalls now about 15, no fix for unwanted brltty. or speech synth announcing every keypress

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this damned FF won't let me replace your name in the reply with the list address, so this is yet another reply to about 20 installs of bullseye now.  new thread but I can't help it if using FF for web mail is as broken as outlook ever was.



The problem is that the installer insists on activating both brltty and the speech synth for every key press. Or in some cases I have not been able to corrolate, a mouse click is a loud ding.


I did find a place in the desktop config to mute that channel of the speech synth, but that does NOT stop it from logging a 6 line error in the syslog for every key pressed or auto repeated. 



I have spent around 5 hours looking thru every nook and cranny of the bios for a way to turn brltty off, but there is NO mention other the disabling the mobo's serial port and that also stops the reboot at around 10 seconds, with no further action from anything but the front panel rest button.


There is no timeout and continue, it just stops. What is so hard to understand about that?
The sob stops booting and the ONLY rescue is the RESET button.


No cheer, Gene

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#245561 — Re: reinstalls now about 15, no fix for unwanted brltty. or speech synth announcing every keypress

On Sat 19 Feb 2022 at 11:27:37 (-0800), Gene Heskett wrote:

> The problem is that the installer insists on activating both brltty and the speech synth for every key press. Or in some cases I have not been able to corrolate, a mouse click is a loud ding.

That's hardly surprising. Whenever I strike a key, I get a glyph on
the screen, so I assume the unsighted require similar feedback.

> I did find a place in the desktop config to mute that channel of the speech synth, but that does NOT stop it from logging a 6 line error in the syslog for every key pressed or auto repeated. 

If you're talking about the syslog that ends up in
/var/log/installer/, big deal. For verbosity, it's
hard to beat the partman log, even when you barely
touch the partitioner during installation.
(I pre-partition disks before starting the d-i.)

If the size of these two files embarrasses you, just
archive them and delete them when the installation is
done. Rocket science.

> I have spent around 5 hours looking thru every nook and cranny of the bios for a way to turn brltty off, but there is NO mention other the disabling the mobo's serial port and that also stops the reboot at around 10 seconds, with no further action from anything but the front panel rest button.

The BIOS? I thought the idea was to not install the brltty
package in your final system, and just mute it in any way
you can find, during the installation process.

> There is no timeout and continue, it just stops. What is so hard to understand about that?
> The sob stops booting and the ONLY rescue is the RESET button.

Are we back on the subject of "stop"? I've already covered that
in a previous post. Period.

Cheers,
David.

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#245563 — Re: reinstalls now about 15, no fix for unwanted brltty. or speech synth announcing every keypress

On Sat 19 Feb 2022 at 11:27:37 -0800, Gene Heskett wrote:

> this damned FF won't let me replace your name in the reply with the
> list address, so this is yet another reply to about 20 installs of
> bullseye now.  new thread but I can't help it if using FF for web mail
> is as broken as outlook ever was.

Song and dance.

> The problem is that the installer insists on activating both brltty
> and the speech synth for every key press. Or in some cases I have not
> been able to corrolate, a mouse click is a loud ding.

My recollection is that speech synthesos in the second item on its
meneu. You get it without activating that menu? That is a big bug.
Report it.


> I did find a place in the desktop config to mute that channel of the
> speech synth, but that does NOT stop it from logging a 6 line error in
> the syslog for every key pressed or auto repeated.

That is often the way when you are in a hole.

> I have spent around 5 hours looking thru every nook and cranny of the
> bios for a way to turn brltty off, but there is NO mention other the
> disabling the mobo's serial port and that also stops the reboot at
> around 10 seconds, with no further action from anything but the front
> panel rest button.

You think the bios is involved? Sheesh!

> There is no timeout and continue, it just stops. What is so hard to
> understand about that?  The sob stops booting and the ONLY rescue is
> the RESET button.

The technical situation is that you have buggered up something. Go back
to GO. Do not collect 200 GBP :).

-- 
Brian. 

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#245571 — Re: reinstalls now about 15, no fix for unwanted brltty. or speech synth announcing every keypress

On Saturday, February 19, 2022 3:29:35 PM EST Brian wrote:
> On Sat 19 Feb 2022 at 11:27:37 -0800, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > this damned FF won't let me replace your name in the reply with the
> > list address, so this is yet another reply to about 20 installs of
> > bullseye now.  new thread but I can't help it if using FF for web
> > mail
> > is as broken as outlook ever was.
> 
> Song and dance.
> 
> > The problem is that the installer insists on activating both brltty
> > and the speech synth for every key press. Or in some cases I have not
> > been able to corrolate, a mouse click is a loud ding.
> 
> My recollection is that speech synthesos in the second item on its
> meneu. You get it without activating that menu? That is a big bug.
> Report it.
> 
> > I did find a place in the desktop config to mute that channel of the
> > speech synth, but that does NOT stop it from logging a 6 line error
> > in
> > the syslog for every key pressed or auto repeated.
> 
> That is often the way when you are in a hole.
> 
> > I have spent around 5 hours looking thru every nook and cranny of the
> > bios for a way to turn brltty off, but there is NO mention other the
> > disabling the mobo's serial port and that also stops the reboot at
> > around 10 seconds, with no further action from anything but the front
> > panel rest button.
> 
> You think the bios is involved? Sheesh!
> 
> > There is no timeout and continue, it just stops. What is so hard to
> > understand about that?  The sob stops booting and the ONLY rescue is
> > the RESET button.
> 
> The technical situation is that you have buggered up something. Go back
> to GO. Do not collect 200 GBP :).

And you are doing it too, with your use of "you" above. This was, 
IMNSDHO, an installer bug and I had no way to override the ID10T 
installer. I spent days restarting the installer looking for a way around 
it, but all I could do was remove the brltty and its lib packages after 
the install, but removing them caused the boot stall on the next reboot.

The technical has sorta been solved with a liberal use of /dev/null in a 
couple .conf's, but yes, AFAIAC its one hell of a big bug, I even visited 
those 2 screens a couple times looking for a way to disable it, but no 
biscuit, its going to install it regardless. I've raised so much hell 
over it, I'm surprised no one else hasn't filed a bug report, but because 
I use a computer to the limits of its abilities, its always my fault when 
something totally stupid like finding a serial port means its going to 
drive a braille printer for the blind. The chances of that actually being 
the case is quite a ways south of point triple ought zip. But it makes me 
install 15 or 20 times to finally get a working system again just because 
I have a high priced Asus motherboard that actually has a 16550 style 
serial port on it.  Nothing connected to it as its not even on the back 
panel, just a header that needs a separatly purchased adapter cable.

There's 32gigs of dram in this box, and was at the time it choked and 
died, 300 some gigs of swap in two partitions. I gave a few more gigs to 
/home, so swap is now 60 gigs. One whats left of a 2T raid10 for /home.

I was working in the last weekly AppImage build of OpenSCAD, with a 
script that totalled 83 LOC, but an F6 press for readying it to save an 
.stl for cura, had it using the 26gigs I gave it, and pushed another 14Gb 
into swap. Took about 3 minutes to render. But this AppImage is about 18 
months newer than the repo version, and about 100 times faster to render 
than the repo version. It also took a biqu bx printer 31 hours to print 
it. And if I do continue that project, probably close to 40 hours to 
print the other half of that hinge because it will have a pair of wings 
sticking up to hit a pair of teeny little stepper stages to tilt a 4KG 
watr cooled 24,000 rpms 2 hp spindle motor up to 30 degrees. Which 
enhances my ability to make use of much cheaper and more common milling 
cutters.


Where do I file the bug report?

Thanks. Take care and stay well.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

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#245577 — Re: reinstalls now about 15, no fix for unwanted brltty. or speech synth announcing every keypress

On 2/19/22 18:07, gene heskett wrote:

> I use a computer to the limits of its abilities

> There's 32gigs of dram in this box, and was at the time it choked
> and died,


What were the symptoms of the failure?  What was the cause?


> 300 some gigs of swap in two partitions. I gave a few more gigs to
> /home, so swap is now 60 gigs. One whats left of a 2T raid10 for
> /home.


60 GB of swap?  Why?


I create a 1 GB partition for swap (encrypted) on my OS drives (SSD), 
but avoid using it.  It is there so that runaway processes do not crash 
the system (e.g. give me time to kill the process).


If you do need a non-trivial amount of swap, I suggest installing a
dedicated solid-state drive.


> I was working in the last weekly AppImage build of OpenSCAD, with a 
> script that totalled 83 LOC, but an F6 press for readying it to save
> an .stl for cura, had it using the 26gigs I gave it, and pushed
> another 14Gb into swap. Took about 3 minutes to render.


I suggest adding more memory.


David

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#245564 — Re: reinstalls now about 15, no fix for unwanted brltty. or speech synth announcing every keypress

On 2/19/22 11:27, Gene Heskett wrote:
> this damned FF won't let me replace your name in the reply with the list address, so this is yet another reply to about 20 installs of bullseye now.  new thread but I can't help it if using FF for web mail is as broken as outlook ever was.
> 
> 
> 
> The problem is that the installer insists on activating both brltty and the speech synth for every key press. Or in some cases I have not been able to corrolate, a mouse click is a loud ding.
> 
> 
> I did find a place in the desktop config to mute that channel of the speech synth, but that does NOT stop it from logging a 6 line error in the syslog for every key pressed or auto repeated.
> 
> 
> 
> I have spent around 5 hours looking thru every nook and cranny of the bios for a way to turn brltty off, but there is NO mention other the disabling the mobo's serial port and that also stops the reboot at around 10 seconds, with no further action from anything but the front panel rest button.
> 
> 
> There is no timeout and continue, it just stops. What is so hard to understand about that?
> The sob stops booting and the ONLY rescue is the RESET button.
> 
> 
> No cheer, Gene


Ideas:

1.  What is the name of the ISO file that you downloaded?  What URL?

2.  Did you verify the SHA256 checksum of the file?  What checksum file 
and URL?

3.  Did you verify the SHA256 checksum of the bytes burned to 
installation media?  (Note that the checksum for read-write media, such 
as USB flash and SDHC, should be checked immediately after burning and 
before booting, as the installer may write to the media.)

4.  What is the make and model of your computer (or motherboard, if 
homebrew)?

5.  What internal and external devices are connected to your computer? 
And, to which slots, connectors, ports, etc.?

6.  Please document your path through the d-i, so that we can repeat 
your steps and see if we get the same results.


David

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