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  Mini server hardware for home use NAS purposes Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2022-02-02 15:20 +0100
    Re: Mini server hardware for home use NAS purposes Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2022-02-02 15:40 +0100
      Re: Mini server hardware for home use NAS purposes piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2022-02-02 17:00 +0100
    Re: Mini server hardware for home use NAS purposes Grzesiek <pld@sojka.co> - 2022-02-02 15:40 +0100
    Re: Mini server hardware for home use NAS purposes Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2022-02-02 15:50 +0100
      Re: Mini server hardware for home use NAS purposes Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2022-02-02 16:00 +0100
    Re: Mini server hardware for home use NAS purposes <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2022-02-02 17:30 +0100
      Re: Mini server hardware for home use NAS purposes Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2022-02-02 22:50 +0100
        Re: Mini server hardware for home use NAS purposes Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2022-02-02 23:40 +0100
          Re: Mini server hardware for home use NAS purposes Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2022-02-09 12:20 +0100
        Re: Mini server hardware for home use NAS purposes <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2022-02-03 03:10 +0100
    Re: Mini server hardware for home use NAS purposes Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2022-02-02 18:00 +0100
      Re: Mini server hardware for home use NAS purposes Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2022-02-02 20:30 +0100
        Re: Mini server hardware for home use NAS purposes Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2022-02-05 23:00 +0100
      Re: Mini server hardware for home use NAS purposes Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2022-02-02 22:30 +0100
    Re: Mini server hardware for home use NAS purposes David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2022-02-03 04:30 +0100

#244954 — Mini server hardware for home use NAS purposes

Inspired by my previous attempts to implent NFS on my Synology NAS, I am
thinking about buying a mini server where I install Debian to serve as
file share (SMB and NFS) and DLNA server.

It should fully support Debian Stable, have a low price but be capable
of performing the tasks well, ideally have working WIFI, be silent,
low-power and small.

Do you have any recommendations for me?

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#244955

On 2022-02-02 15:30 UTC+0100, Grzesiek wrote:

> I used Zyxel NSA310 some time ago, Debian howto:
> https://forum.doozan.com/read.php?2,29970,30036
> More devices are supported

The successor Zyxel NAS326 sounds interesting, but I am looking more for
something which I do not have to hack before I can install Debian on it.

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#244962

On 02/02/2022 14:38, Christian Britz wrote:
>
>
> On 2022-02-02 15:30 UTC+0100, Grzesiek wrote:
>
>> I used Zyxel NSA310 some time ago, Debian howto:
>> https://forum.doozan.com/read.php?2,29970,30036
>> More devices are supported
>
> The successor Zyxel NAS326 sounds interesting, but I am looking more for
> something which I do not have to hack before I can install Debian on it.
>
Build it yourself then. mATX or miniITX motherboard, some mini case, and
one hard drive. Easy.
That being said, I wouldn't build that for myself, I learned hard way
that the only memory I will ever buy now is ECC memory. That limits form
factor available when it comes to DIY home server. My DIY home server is
in ATX PC case.

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#244956

On 2/2/22 15:11, Christian Britz wrote:
> Inspired by my previous attempts to implent NFS on my Synology NAS, I am
> thinking about buying a mini server where I install Debian to serve as
> file share (SMB and NFS) and DLNA server.
> 
> It should fully support Debian Stable, have a low price but be capable
> of performing the tasks well, ideally have working WIFI, be silent,
> low-power and small.
> 
> Do you have any recommendations for me?
> 

I used Zyxel NSA310 some time ago, Debian howto:
https://forum.doozan.com/read.php?2,29970,30036
More devices are supported

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#244957

Christian Britz wrote: 
> Inspired by my previous attempts to implent NFS on my Synology NAS, I am
> thinking about buying a mini server where I install Debian to serve as
> file share (SMB and NFS) and DLNA server.
> 
> It should fully support Debian Stable, have a low price but be capable
> of performing the tasks well, ideally have working WIFI, be silent,
> low-power and small.
> 
> Do you have any recommendations for me?

How small is small for you?

And do you need RAID, or just storage, and if so, how much?

For example, an ASRock 4X4 BOX-R1000V will run Debian Stable
nicely. It's very small. It's very quiet -- one CPU fan, nothing
else. But because it is so small, it only has room for one M.2
drive and one 2.5" SATA3 drive. If you need more storage, it
will have to be via USB3, which I do not really recommend.

(US $250 plus memory and disk).

-dsr-

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#244959

On 2022-02-02 15:25 UTC+0100, Dan Ritter wrote:

> How small is small for you?

A small box which fits under my desk.

> And do you need RAID, or just storage, and if so, how much?

RAID is overkill and I need approximately 500G of storage.

> For example, an ASRock 4X4 BOX-R1000V will run Debian Stable
> nicely. It's very small. It's very quiet -- one CPU fan, nothing
> else. But because it is so small, it only has room for one M.2
> drive and one 2.5" SATA3 drive. If you need more storage, it
> will have to be via USB3, which I do not really recommend.

Sounds very interesting.

> (US $250 plus memory and disk).

To be honest, I hope to pay less. ;-). A normal sized SATA disk would
already be available. Searching the web now for suitable mini desktops.

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#244963

On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 15:11:57 +0100
Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> wrote:

> Inspired by my previous attempts to implent NFS on my Synology NAS, I
> am thinking about buying a mini server where I install Debian to
> serve as file share (SMB and NFS) and DLNA server.
> 
> It should fully support Debian Stable, have a low price but be capable
> of performing the tasks well, ideally have working WIFI, be silent,
> low-power and small.
> 
> Do you have any recommendations for me?
> 

I'd suggest a Raspberry Pi 4B. The requirements you listed elsewhere
would make this a cheap and workable alternative. The only issue is
that any SATA disks would have to be run through a USB 3 port. Using an
SSD might mitigate any lag. I use one of these with a laptop drive in a
Geekworm case to be the web server on my LAN. My wife an I have NFS
and Samba access to the drive as well. You can run Raspberry Pi OS (a
Debian derivative) on it. Matter of fact, I think you can run the
various media server packages on such a rig as well.

Paul

-- 
Paul M. Foster
http://noferblatz.com
http://quillandmouse.com

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#244978

On Wed, Feb 02, 2022 at 11:23:01AM -0500, paulf@quillandmouse.com wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 15:11:57 +0100
> Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> wrote:
> 
> > Inspired by my previous attempts to implent NFS on my Synology NAS, I
> > am thinking about buying a mini server where I install Debian to
> > serve as file share (SMB and NFS) and DLNA server.
> > 
> > It should fully support Debian Stable, have a low price but be capable
> > of performing the tasks well, ideally have working WIFI, be silent,
> > low-power and small.
> > 
> > Do you have any recommendations for me?
> > 
> 
> I'd suggest a Raspberry Pi 4B. The requirements you listed elsewhere
> would make this a cheap and workable alternative. The only issue is
> that any SATA disks would have to be run through a USB 3 port. Using an
> SSD might mitigate any lag. I use one of these with a laptop drive in a
> Geekworm case to be the web server on my LAN. My wife an I have NFS
> and Samba access to the drive as well. You can run Raspberry Pi OS (a
> Debian derivative) on it. Matter of fact, I think you can run the
> various media server packages on such a rig as well.
> 

And we can do one better:
the raspi compute module and the cm IO board.
here you will get a PCIe socket which then can take up
a SATA controller.

-H



-- 
Henning Follmann           | hfollmann@itcfollmann.com

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#244980

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On 3/2/22 5:42 am, Henning Follmann wrote:
>
>> I'd suggest a Raspberry Pi 4B. The requirements you listed elsewhere
>> would make this a cheap and workable alternative. The only issue is
>> that any SATA disks would have to be run through a USB 3 port. Using an
>> SSD might mitigate any lag. I use one of these with a laptop drive in a
>> Geekworm case to be the web server on my LAN. My wife an I have NFS
>> and Samba access to the drive as well. You can run Raspberry Pi OS (a
>> Debian derivative) on it. Matter of fact, I think you can run the
>> various media server packages on such a rig as well.
>>
> And we can do one better:
> the raspi compute module and the cm IO board.
> here you will get a PCIe socket which then can take up
> a SATA controller.
>
>

My home server is a nanopi M4V2 with an NVME drive main drive. The boot 
partition is on an SD card but everything else is on an NVME drive.

It has a fan but never gets hot enough to turn it on. Instead the CNC 
case acts as a large heatsink. In summer the room temperature is over 
30C but there are no thermal problems.

O/S is straight Armbian with no tweaks. This makes it more compatible 
with mainline Debian than Raspberry Pi OS is.

Another advantage of the M4V2 over a Pi 4 is four USB-3 ports. With the 
USB-3 it would be very easy to implement a fast RAID array.

https://www.androidpimp.com/embedded/nanopi-m4v2-review/

-- 
Jeremy

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On Jo, 03 feb 22, 06:35:40, Jeremy Ardley wrote:
> 
> On 3/2/22 5:42 am, Henning Follmann wrote:
> > 
> > > I'd suggest a Raspberry Pi 4B. The requirements you listed elsewhere
> > > would make this a cheap and workable alternative. The only issue is
> > > that any SATA disks would have to be run through a USB 3 port. Using an
> > > SSD might mitigate any lag. I use one of these with a laptop drive in a
> > > Geekworm case to be the web server on my LAN. My wife an I have NFS
> > > and Samba access to the drive as well. You can run Raspberry Pi OS (a
> > > Debian derivative) on it. Matter of fact, I think you can run the
> > > various media server packages on such a rig as well.
> > > 
> > And we can do one better:
> > the raspi compute module and the cm IO board.
> > here you will get a PCIe socket which then can take up
> > a SATA controller.
> 
> My home server is a nanopi M4V2 with an NVME drive main drive. The boot
> partition is on an SD card but everything else is on an NVME drive.
> 
> It has a fan but never gets hot enough to turn it on. Instead the CNC case
> acts as a large heatsink. In summer the room temperature is over 30C but
> there are no thermal problems.
> 
> O/S is straight Armbian with no tweaks. This makes it more compatible with
> mainline Debian than Raspberry Pi OS is.
> 
> Another advantage of the M4V2 over a Pi 4 is four USB-3 ports. With the
> USB-3 it would be very easy to implement a fast RAID array.

The RockPro64 from PINE64 runs pure Debian, has a PCIe slot that takes a 
SATA adapter and should run fine with just passive cooling. Availability 
might be an issue though...

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#244982

On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 16:42:14 -0500
Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> wrote:

> 
> And we can do one better:
> the raspi compute module and the cm IO board.
> here you will get a PCIe socket which then can take up
> a SATA controller.
> 

Can you recommend a tiny PCIe SATA controller to go in there, and
possibly a case to fit it all (with laptop/SSD drive)?

Paul

-- 
Paul M. Foster
http://noferblatz.com
http://quillandmouse.com

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#244965

On Wed, Feb 02, 2022 at 03:11:57PM +0100, Christian Britz wrote:
>Do you have any recommendations for me?

I have much the requirements and my current solution is documented here:
<https://jmtd.net/hardware/phobos/>



-- 
Please do not CC me for listmail.

👱🏻	Jonathan Dowland
✎	 jmtd@debian.org
🔗	https://jmtd.net

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#244972

On 2022-02-02 17:55 UTC+0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 02, 2022 at 03:11:57PM +0100, Christian Britz wrote:
>> Do you have any recommendations for me?
> 
> I have much the requirements and my current solution is documented here:
> <https://jmtd.net/hardware/phobos/>

...bookmarked! :-)

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#245028

The list doesn't seem to like attachments, so please see a picture of my
new server here :-)

http://amiga5000.ddns.net/raspi.jpeg

On 2022-02-05 19:35 UTC+0100, Christian Britz wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2022-02-02 20:24 UTC+0100, Christian Britz wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 2022-02-02 17:55 UTC+0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>>> On Wed, Feb 02, 2022 at 03:11:57PM +0100, Christian Britz wrote:
>>>> Do you have any recommendations for me?
>>>
>>> I have much the requirements and my current solution is documented here:
>>> <https://jmtd.net/hardware/phobos/>
>>
>> ...bookmarked! :-)
> 
> In the end I opted for a Raspbery Pi 4 B. 🙃
> 
> I am currently migrating my data, let's see if I will be happy with the
> performance of this really tiny little thing.
> 
> First impression: Very cool!
> 

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Jonathan Dowland writes:

> On Wed, Feb 02, 2022 at 03:11:57PM +0100, Christian Britz wrote:
>> Do you have any recommendations for me?
>
> I have much the requirements and my current solution is documented here:
> <https://jmtd.net/hardware/phobos/>

I am using an Intel NUC with Celeron J3455 with 8 GiB of RAM.

It has a fan but runs very quietly.

Here, it is only a "backup-server" hence the low-speed CPU is not an issue.

It is currently still on oldstable (see sheet below), but that's only  
because I have not found any time to upgrade it yet. Given that it is just a  
regular amd64 machine, I do not expect any problems with upgrading.

┌─────── System Sheet Script 1.2.7, Copyright (c) 2012-2021 Ma_Sys.ma ─────────┐
│ linux-fan (id 1000) on rxvt-unicode-256color    Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) │
│ Linux 4.19.0-18-amd64                                                 x86_64 │
│ 02.02.2022 22:21:37                                               masysma-16 │
│ up 65 days, 41 min,  1 user,  load avg: 0.02, 0.03, 0.00        781/7856 MiB │
│ 4 Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU J3455 @ 1.50GHz                                    │
├────────────────────────────────── Network ───────────────────────────────────┤
│ Interface                      Sent/MiB  Received/MiB                Address │
│ enp2s0                            17925         18624        192.168.1.22/24 │
├─────────────────────────────── File systems ─────────────────────────────────┤
│ Mountpoint                     Used/GiB        Of/GiB             Percentage │
│ /                                   246          1817                    14% │
├─────────────────────────────────── Users ────────────────────────────────────┤
│ Username     MEM/MiB            Top/MEM      CPU          Top/CPU   Time/min │
│ root             271            dockerd     0.6%          dockerd        972 │
│ backupuser       194           megasync     0.2%         megasync        382 │
│ linux-fan         32            systemd       0%         syssheet          0 │
│ monitorix         21    monitorix-httpd       0%  monitorix-httpd          2 │
└──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘

The system has been running since its installation in 09/2020 in mostly 24/7  
operation (a few weeks of vacation per year) with little to no issues -- I  
only remember overloading it once with a time series database and having to  
reboot to restore some order :)

HTH
Linux-Fan

[...]

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#244984

On 2/2/22 06:11, Christian Britz wrote:
> Inspired by my previous attempts to implent NFS on my Synology NAS, I am
> thinking about buying a mini server where I install Debian to serve as
> file share (SMB and NFS) and DLNA server.
> 
> It should fully support Debian Stable, have a low price but be capable
> of performing the tasks well, ideally have working WIFI, be silent,
> low-power and small.
> 
> Do you have any recommendations for me?


I had a similar wish list for a SOHO LAN server/ NAS several years ago. 
  My conclusion was that small, energy efficient, high-performance 
computer hardware commands a premium price and has little room for 
expansion or upgrades.  Used server equipment is a much better value and 
is designed for expansion/ upgrade, but servers are rarely quiet or 
energy efficient.


I decided to go with a used Dell PowerEdge T30 with a Xeon E3-1225 v5 
processor, 2 @ 8 GB ECC memory, a 2.5" SATA 6 Gbps SSD, 2 @ 3.5 SATA 6 
Gbps enterprise HDD's, and a DVD+-RW drive.  I installed FreeBSD.


The uATX tower chassis is smaller than all of my other towers, the CPU 
and PSU fans are quiet, and energy efficiency is decent.  But the HDD's 
are attached directly to the chassis internal drive cage, so HDD 
activity makes noise.  If the machine was located in the bedroom, I 
would attach vibration/ sound absorbing materials to the drive cage and 
interior surfaces.  Or, pay for large SSD's.


The T30 was a worthwhile investment (~US$750), and I still have two 3.5" 
drive bays, two memory slots, and four PCI/ PCIe expansion slots 
available for the future.


That said, understand that Synology, QNAP, Western Digital, Asus, etc., 
do a lot of engineering and legal work to develop and maintain their NAS 
products to interoperate with all of the various devices and 
technologies found in a SOHO environment.  It's a never-ending 
treadmill.  I implemented GELI, ZFS, jails, Samba, SSH, and CVS on my 
T30.  I bounced on NFS and Kerberos,  I have yet to try DLNA.


David

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