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| Started by | "Robert F. Crochelt" <rfc56@fastmail.com> |
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| First post | 2022-01-27 02:00 +0100 |
| Last post | 2022-01-27 17:30 +0100 |
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system freeze older iMac Debian 11 "Robert F. Crochelt" <rfc56@fastmail.com> - 2022-01-27 02:00 +0100
Re: system freeze older iMac Debian 11 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2022-01-27 02:20 +0100
Re: system freeze older iMac Debian 11 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2022-01-27 03:20 +0100
Re: system freeze older iMac Debian 11 "Bob Crochelt" <rfc56@fastmail.com> - 2022-01-27 17:30 +0100
Re: system freeze older iMac Debian 11 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2022-01-27 17:50 +0100
Re: system freeze older iMac Debian 11 "Bob Crochelt" <rfc56@fastmail.com> - 2022-01-27 18:10 +0100
Re: system freeze older iMac Debian 11 "Robert F. Crochelt" <rfc56@fastmail.com> - 2022-02-15 01:40 +0100
Re: system freeze older iMac Debian 11 Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2022-01-27 06:40 +0100
Re: system freeze older iMac Debian 11 "Bob Crochelt" <rfc56@fastmail.com> - 2022-01-27 17:30 +0100
| From | "Robert F. Crochelt" <rfc56@fastmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-01-27 02:00 +0100 |
| Subject | system freeze older iMac Debian 11 |
| Message-ID | <DK1iN-uk-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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Hi Older iMac, recently installed Debian 11. Having system freezes even when running light weight environment like fvwm. Starts with slow video, progresses over a few minutes to complete freeze. Can't even shift to a different console with ctrl-F_. Nothing in top (when it starts) to suggest excessive memory or cpu usage. Tried to install nvidia drivers, but apparently not available for my GPU in Debian 11. Output from lscpu and nvdia-detect in attached file. I would be grateful for any suggestions. Thanks Bob Crochelt
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2022-01-27 02:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DK1C9-QR-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #244649 |
Robert F. Crochelt composed on 2022-01-26 16:52 (UTC-0800): > Older iMac, recently installed Debian 11. Having system freezes even > when running light weight environment like fvwm. Starts with slow > video, progresses over a few minutes to complete freeze. Can't even > shift to a different console with ctrl-F_. Nothing in top (when it > starts) to suggest excessive memory or cpu usage. Tried to install > nvidia drivers, but apparently not available for my GPU in Debian 11. > Output from lscpu and nvdia-detect in attached file. > I would be grateful for any suggestions. As your attachment reports, the proprietary NVidia driver for your G92M [GeForce 8800M GTS] (rev a2) had its support terminated before Bullseye. Is the behavior the same if you use Wayland instead of Xorg? What does inxi -SMGayz report (run from any terminal emulator in X)? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2022-01-27 03:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DK2yd-1sa-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #244650 |
Bob Crochelt composed on 2022-01-26 17:25 (UTC-0800): > inxi output attached. Your iMac's BIOS date is about a month earlier than mine. Likely the only difference between ours is you have G92M [GeForce 8800M GTS] while I have RV630/M76 [Mobility Radeon HD 2600 XT/2700]. If yours is anything like mine, it generates a lot of heat. Has yours ever had an internal cleaning? It may need its heat sink compound on CPU and/or GPU replaced. System freezes are a common symptom of overheating. Also, RAM is subject to failure with age and overheating. Have you tried running memtest86? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
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| From | "Bob Crochelt" <rfc56@fastmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-01-27 17:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DKfON-1Hb-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #244652 |
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On Wed, Jan 26, 2022, at 18:14, Felix Miata wrote: > Bob Crochelt composed on 2022-01-26 17:25 (UTC-0800): > > > inxi output attached. > > Your iMac's BIOS date is about a month earlier than mine. Likely the only > difference between ours is you have G92M [GeForce 8800M GTS] while I have > RV630/M76 [Mobility Radeon HD 2600 XT/2700]. If yours is anything like mine, it > generates a lot of heat. Has yours ever had an internal cleaning? It may need its > heat sink compound on CPU and/or GPU replaced. System freezes are a common symptom > of overheating. Also, RAM is subject to failure with age and overheating. Have you > tried running memtest86? > -- > Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, > based on faith, not based on science. > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > Felix Miata > Hi again Felix, I've thought about cleaning the machine, and watched videos of opening one of these up, and am intimidated by it. Looks beyond my abilities. Redoing the heat sink compound probably is. I've lived in small rural communities that don't have computer services readily available. I could look for an apple place or take it to the nearest apple store, since that is closer to where I live now. hard drive is old too so would probably change that out too. Machine ran without difficulty overnight, and got through a teams meeting this morning without problem, running gnome on Wayland. Perhaps that is the way forward. Tried to run memtest86 from the grub menu but it just seemed to sit there, will try that again today. thanks Bob Crochelt
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2022-01-27 17:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DKg89-1O0-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #244688 |
Bob Crochelt composed on 2022-01-27 08:24 (UTC-0800): > Felix Miata wrote: >> overheating. Have you tried running memtest86? > Tried to run memtest86 from the grub menu but it just seemed to > sit there, will try that again today. Your Grub menu has memtest86+. That's quite different than memtest86. I quit trying to use memtest86+ years ago. http://www.memtest86.com/ -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
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| From | "Bob Crochelt" <rfc56@fastmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-01-27 18:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DKgrw-29V-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #244688 |
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On Thu, Jan 27, 2022, at 08:24, Bob Crochelt wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2022, at 18:14, Felix Miata wrote: >> Bob Crochelt composed on 2022-01-26 17:25 (UTC-0800): >> >> > inxi output attached. >> >> Your iMac's BIOS date is about a month earlier than mine. Likely the only >> difference between ours is you have G92M [GeForce 8800M GTS] while I have >> RV630/M76 [Mobility Radeon HD 2600 XT/2700]. If yours is anything like mine, it >> generates a lot of heat. Has yours ever had an internal cleaning? It may need its >> heat sink compound on CPU and/or GPU replaced. System freezes are a common symptom >> of overheating. Also, RAM is subject to failure with age and overheating. Have you >> tried running memtest86? >> -- >> Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, >> based on faith, not based on science. >> >> Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! >> >> Felix Miata >> > Hi again Felix, > I've thought about cleaning the machine, and watched videos of opening one of these up, and am intimidated by it. Looks beyond my abilities. Redoing the heat sink compound probably is. I've lived in small rural communities that don't have computer services readily available. I could look for an apple place or take it to the nearest apple store, since that is closer to where I live now. hard drive is old too so would probably change that out too. > Machine ran without difficulty overnight, and got through a teams meeting this morning without problem, running gnome on Wayland. Perhaps that is the way forward. > Tried to run memtest86 from the grub menu but it just seemed to sit there, will try that again today. > thanks > Bob Crochelt Also, running teams and assorted other programs, CPU temps were 102-103 C. Bob
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| From | "Robert F. Crochelt" <rfc56@fastmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-02-15 01:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DQU2R-1RqX-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #244688 |
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 08:24:57AM -0800, Bob Crochelt wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2022, at 18:14, Felix Miata wrote: > > Bob Crochelt composed on 2022-01-26 17:25 (UTC-0800): > > > > > inxi output attached. > > > > Your iMac's BIOS date is about a month earlier than mine. Likely the only > > difference between ours is you have G92M [GeForce 8800M GTS] while I have > > RV630/M76 [Mobility Radeon HD 2600 XT/2700]. If yours is anything like mine, it > > generates a lot of heat. Has yours ever had an internal cleaning? It may need its > > heat sink compound on CPU and/or GPU replaced. System freezes are a common symptom > > of overheating. Also, RAM is subject to failure with age and overheating. Have you > > tried running memtest86? > > -- > > Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, > > based on faith, not based on science. > > > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > > > Felix Miata > > > Hi again Felix, > I've thought about cleaning the machine, and watched videos of opening one of these up, and am intimidated by it. Looks beyond my abilities. Redoing the heat sink compound probably is. I've lived in small rural communities that don't have computer services readily available. I could look for an apple place or take it to the nearest apple store, since that is closer to where I live now. hard drive is old too so would probably change that out too. > Machine ran without difficulty overnight, and got through a teams meeting this morning without problem, running gnome on Wayland. Perhaps that is the way forward. > Tried to run memtest86 from the grub menu but it just seemed to sit there, will try that again today. > thanks > Bob Crochelt Hi Felix, thought you might like a little more followup. I wound up trying: apt remove nvidia* and I still have graphics, and the system is running much cooler. No freezes with fvwm, though gnome is still buggy for me, and I have trouble with it coming back to life after the screen blanks. I know your system has different graphics than mine. Best, Bob Crochelt
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| From | Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> |
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| Date | 2022-01-27 06:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DK5FL-3A3-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #244649 |
On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:52:55 -0800 "Robert F. Crochelt" <rfc56@fastmail.com> wrote: > Can't even > shift to a different console with ctrl-F_. Try ctl-alt-F_. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
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| From | "Bob Crochelt" <rfc56@fastmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-01-27 17:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <DKfON-1Hb-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #244658 |
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On Wed, Jan 26, 2022, at 21:34, Charles Curley wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:52:55 -0800 > "Robert F. Crochelt" <rfc56@fastmail.com> wrote: > > > Can't even > > shift to a different console with ctrl-F_. > > Try ctl-alt-F_. > > -- > Does anybody read signatures any more? > > https://charlescurley.com > https://charlescurley.com/blog/ > Thanks Charles. I miss-typed. ctl-alt-F_ doesn't work. Bob Crochelt
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