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  USB UEFI recovery stick deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-24 03:50 +0100
    Re: USB UEFI recovery stick David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2022-01-24 05:00 +0100
      Re: USB UEFI recovery stick deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-24 12:00 +0100
        Re: USB UEFI recovery stick "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2022-01-24 12:50 +0100
          Re: USB UEFI recovery stick deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-24 13:20 +0100
        Re: USB UEFI recovery stick David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2022-01-25 02:30 +0100
          Re: USB UEFI recovery stick David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-01-25 03:50 +0100
    Re: USB UEFI recovery stick Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2022-01-25 11:40 +0100

#244486 — USB UEFI recovery stick

Hi all,
is there a way to have a USB UEFI stick that works similar to the Debian
installer - for example to boot into UEFI and recover the boot loader.
One machine here seems a bit older and refuses to boot into UEFI from the
USB - rendering USB obsolete as recovery option. In BIOS USB says AUTO
(other option is Legacy) however if I disable Legacy keyboard does not
work.

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#244490

On 1/23/22 6:39 PM, deloptes wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> is there a way to have a USB UEFI stick that works similar to the Debian
> installer - for example to boot into UEFI and recover the boot loader.
> One machine here seems a bit older and refuses to boot into UEFI from the
> USB - rendering USB obsolete as recovery option. In BIOS USB says AUTO
> (other option is Legacy) however if I disable Legacy keyboard does not
> work.


I have a computer with an Intel DQ67SW desktop motherboard (released Q1, 
2011).  The Setup utility allows me to select BIOS/MBR mode or UEFI/GPT 
mode.  d-i seems to detect if the computer is running in BIOS/MBR mode 
or in UEFI/GPT mode, and performs an install to match.  So, I installed 
Debian twice (via textual "Install") onto a pair of USB sticks, once in 
each mode.  (An "Expert" installation may offer more options.)


I mostly run my computers in BIOS/MBR mode, and use the BIOS/MBR USB 
stick frequently.


I have limited experience with the UEFI/GPT USB stick.  I need to test 
it on a newer computer with Secure Boot, and may need to create a third 
USB stick.


AIUI d-i and Debian Live are open-source projects.  I believe they both 
support all of the above in a single image.  If you have the skills, 
perhaps you could fork one and create your own image with the tools you 
want.


David

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#244508

Thank you for the response

David Christensen wrote:

> I have a computer with an Intel DQ67SW desktop motherboard (released Q1,
> 2011).  The Setup utility allows me to select BIOS/MBR mode or UEFI/GPT
> mode.  d-i seems to detect if the computer is running in BIOS/MBR mode
> or in UEFI/GPT mode, and performs an install to match.  So, I installed
> Debian twice (via textual "Install") onto a pair of USB sticks, once in
> each mode.  (An "Expert" installation may offer more options.)

Ah 2011 seems right to match the one that refer to here.
I can boot from the CD/DVD into UEFI, but it seems I can not do the same
from the USB.
The USB which is UEFI can boot the newer notebook (has secure mode)

> 
> I mostly run my computers in BIOS/MBR mode, and use the BIOS/MBR USB
> stick frequently.
> 
> 
> I have limited experience with the UEFI/GPT USB stick.  I need to test
> it on a newer computer with Secure Boot, and may need to create a third
> USB stick.
> 
> 
> AIUI d-i and Debian Live are open-source projects.  I believe they both
> support all of the above in a single image.  If you have the skills,
> perhaps you could fork one and create your own image with the tools you
> want.

The question is if it is not limited by the board. If I disable Legacy USB I
can not use the keyboard/mouse and I have to reset the bios.

But even in Legacy mode I see in boot options UEFI USB disk, however it does
not boot, but same stick boots on the more recent notebook.

Does someone knows more about it. What and where to check? I would not spend
time if it is the boards BIOS. I'll just keep a copy of the DVD/CD as
rescue

thanks

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#244514

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 11:55:20AM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> Thank you for the response
> 
> David Christensen wrote:
> 
> > I have a computer with an Intel DQ67SW desktop motherboard (released Q1,
> > 2011).  The Setup utility allows me to select BIOS/MBR mode or UEFI/GPT
> > mode.  d-i seems to detect if the computer is running in BIOS/MBR mode
> > or in UEFI/GPT mode, and performs an install to match.  So, I installed
> > Debian twice (via textual "Install") onto a pair of USB sticks, once in
> > each mode.  (An "Expert" installation may offer more options.)
> 
> Ah 2011 seems right to match the one that refer to here.
> I can boot from the CD/DVD into UEFI, but it seems I can not do the same
> from the USB.
> The USB which is UEFI can boot the newer notebook (has secure mode)
> 
> > 
> > I mostly run my computers in BIOS/MBR mode, and use the BIOS/MBR USB
> > stick frequently.
> > 
> > 
> > I have limited experience with the UEFI/GPT USB stick.  I need to test
> > it on a newer computer with Secure Boot, and may need to create a third
> > USB stick.
> > 
> > 
> > AIUI d-i and Debian Live are open-source projects.  I believe they both
> > support all of the above in a single image.  If you have the skills,
> > perhaps you could fork one and create your own image with the tools you
> > want.
> 
> The question is if it is not limited by the board. If I disable Legacy USB I
> can not use the keyboard/mouse and I have to reset the bios.
> 
> But even in Legacy mode I see in boot options UEFI USB disk, however it does
> not boot, but same stick boots on the more recent notebook.
> 
> Does someone knows more about it. What and where to check? I would not spend
> time if it is the boards BIOS. I'll just keep a copy of the DVD/CD as
> rescue
> 
> thanks
> 
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>

Hi deloptes,

It depends very much on the machine. I've just saved a machine that has
32 bit UEFI implementation and a 64 bit Atom processor. It's an Intel Baytrail
with a small amount of memory [2G] but required the Debian multi-arch .iso
to boot.

A later model of the same series - Lenovo Ideapad - does support 64 bit UEFI
and UEFI processor. Which machine do you have and what's the processor?

All the very best 

Andy Cater

Which machine, which processor. 

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#244518

Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> Hi deloptes,
> 
> It depends very much on the machine. I've just saved a machine that has
> 32 bit UEFI implementation and a 64 bit Atom processor. It's an Intel
> Baytrail with a small amount of memory [2G] but required the Debian
> multi-arch .iso to boot.
> 
> A later model of the same series - Lenovo Ideapad - does support 64 bit
> UEFI and UEFI processor. Which machine do you have and what's the
> processor?
> 
> All the very best
> 
> Andy Cater
> 
> Which machine, which processor.

Thank you
I did not know that it could be different BIOS arch version - but of course
why not.
The PC is Fujitsu Esprimo C700
http://support.harlander.com/upload-artikelsupport/computer/fujitsu-siemens/esprimo-c700/c700-datenblatt.pdf

CPU is
vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
cpu family      : 6
model           : 42
model name      : Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2400 CPU @ 3.10GHz

information is too little

thank you in advance

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#244549

On 1/24/22 2:55 AM, deloptes wrote:
> Thank you for the response

YW.  :-)


> Ah 2011 seems right to match the one that refer to here.
> I can boot from the CD/DVD into UEFI, but it seems I can not do the same
> from the USB.
> The USB which is UEFI can boot the newer notebook (has secure mode)

> The question is if it is not limited by the board. If I disable Legacy USB I
> can not use the keyboard/mouse and I have to reset the bios.
> 
> But even in Legacy mode I see in boot options UEFI USB disk, however it does
> not boot, but same stick boots on the more recent notebook.
> 
> Does someone knows more about it. What and where to check? I would not spend
> time if it is the boards BIOS. I'll just keep a copy of the DVD/CD as
> rescue
> 
> thanks


I have found that testing is the only way to determine if a given FOSS 
image/ device/ media boots, installs, or works in a given computer; and 
to what degree.


David

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#244554

On Mon 24 Jan 2022 at 17:26:13 (-0800), David Christensen wrote:
> On 1/24/22 2:55 AM, deloptes wrote:
> > I can boot from the CD/DVD into UEFI, but it seems I can not do the same
> > from the USB.
> > The USB which is UEFI can boot the newer notebook (has secure mode)
> 
> > The question is if it is not limited by the board. If I disable Legacy USB I
> > can not use the keyboard/mouse and I have to reset the bios.
> > 
> > But even in Legacy mode I see in boot options UEFI USB disk, however it does
> > not boot, but same stick boots on the more recent notebook.
> > 
> > Does someone knows more about it. What and where to check? I would not spend
> > time if it is the boards BIOS. I'll just keep a copy of the DVD/CD as
> > rescue
> 
> I have found that testing is the only way to determine if a given FOSS
> image/ device/ media boots, installs, or works in a given computer;
> and to what degree.

Not just the image and device, but which port it's plugged into can
also make a difference whether it will boot. Very frustrating.

Cheers,
David.

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#244578

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On Lu, 24 ian 22, 03:39:47, deloptes wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> is there a way to have a USB UEFI stick that works similar to the Debian
> installer - for example to boot into UEFI and recover the boot loader.
> One machine here seems a bit older and refuses to boot into UEFI from the
> USB - rendering USB obsolete as recovery option. In BIOS USB says AUTO
> (other option is Legacy) however if I disable Legacy keyboard does not
> work.

The USB AUTO / Legacy options would suggest to me[1] they are about the 
USB itself, i.e. support for older USB standards (1.1 and/or 2.0), which 
might explain why your keyboard stops working.

As David mentioned, some USB ports might not support booting at all, you 
should try all available USB ports.

[1] Hard to tell without looking at the menus, but the system's / 
motherboard's user manual should explain what each option actually does. 
Admittedly the explanation is often incomplete and/or badly worded.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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