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  Instalacja Debian8 błąd w Release Wojciech <wojtas@lodz.home.pl> - 2022-01-13 12:40 +0100
    Re: Instalacja Debian8 błąd w Release Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2022-01-13 13:00 +0100
    Re: Instalacja Debian8 blad w Release "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2022-01-13 15:10 +0100
    Re: Instalacja Debian8 błąd w Release piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2022-01-13 15:20 +0100
      Re: Instalacja Debian8 błąd w Release "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2022-01-13 17:00 +0100
        Re: Instalacja Debian8 błąd w Release piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2022-01-13 18:50 +0100
      Re: Instalacja Debian8 błąd w Release Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> - 2022-01-15 08:00 +0100
        Re: Instalacja Debian8 błąd w Release piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2022-01-15 14:30 +0100
          Re: Instalacja Debian8 błąd w Release <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-01-15 14:40 +0100
            Re: Instalacja Debian8 błąd w Release piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2022-01-15 14:50 +0100
              Re: Instalacja Debian8 błąd w Release didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2022-01-15 15:30 +0100
              Re: Instalacja Debian8 błąd w Release "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2022-01-15 15:30 +0100
              Re: Instalacja Debian8 błąd w Release Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2022-01-15 18:00 +0100
                Re: Instalacja Debian8 błąd w Release piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2022-01-15 22:20 +0100
    Re: Installation Debian8 error in Release Wojciech <wojtas@lodz.home.pl> - 2022-01-14 02:40 +0100
      Re: Instalacja Debian8 blad w Release "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2022-01-14 08:40 +0100
      Re: Installation Debian8 error in Release Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2022-01-14 11:10 +0100

#243957 — Instalacja Debian8 błąd w Release

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W trakcie instalacji w momencie wyboru serwera lustrzanego pakietów jest 
błąd.
choose-mirror: wget -q 
http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/dist/jessie/Release -O - | grep -E  
'^(Suite|Codename):'
Ta komenda zwraca:
Suite:  oldoldstable
Codename: jessie
W następnym kroku jest:
choose-mirror: wget -q 
http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/dist/oldoldstable/Release -O - | grep -E 
'^(Suite|Codename):'
I tu instalator staje.
Wskazana komenda zwraca:
Suite: oldoldstable
Codename: stretch
Czyli Debian 9.11

Właściwa wersja jest w
wget -q http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/dist/oldoldoldstable/Release -O 
- | grep -E '^(Suite|Codename):'
Suit: oldoldoldstable
Codename: jessie

Czyli w Release z jessie jest wskazanie na oldoldstable (2xold) a 
powinno być na oldoldoldstable(3xold).

Problem dotyczy wielu serwerów i dystrybucji.
Sprawdzałem amd64,i386 i arm64.
Serwery Polska (jak pokazuje) też icm, Szwecja, Holandia, Szwajcaria, USA.

Kiedy mogę się spodziewać naprawienia ?
Jak jest metoda obejściowa w tym momencie.

Czy wystarczy ten mail czy muszę pisać na grupę światową ?

Pozdrawiam
Wojciech.

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#243958

On 1/13/22 13:02, Wojciech wrote:
> W trakcie instalacji w momencie wyboru serwera lustrzanego pakietów jest
> błąd.
> choose-mirror: wget -q
> http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/dist/jessie/Release -O - | grep -E 
> '^(Suite|Codename):'
> Ta komenda zwraca:
> Suite:  oldoldstable
> Codename: jessie
> W następnym kroku jest:
> choose-mirror: wget -q
> http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/dist/oldoldstable/Release -O - | grep -E
> '^(Suite|Codename):'
> I tu instalator staje.
> Wskazana komenda zwraca:
> Suite: oldoldstable
> Codename: stretch
> Czyli Debian 9.11
> 
> Właściwa wersja jest w
> wget -q http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/dist/oldoldoldstable/Release -O
> - | grep -E '^(Suite|Codename):'
> Suit: oldoldoldstable
> Codename: jessie
> 
> Czyli w Release z jessie jest wskazanie na oldoldstable (2xold) a
> powinno być na oldoldoldstable(3xold).
> 
> Problem dotyczy wielu serwerów i dystrybucji.
> Sprawdzałem amd64,i386 i arm64.
> Serwery Polska (jak pokazuje) też icm, Szwecja, Holandia, Szwajcaria, USA.
> 
> Kiedy mogę się spodziewać naprawienia ?
> Jak jest metoda obejściowa w tym momencie.
> 
> Czy wystarczy ten mail czy muszę pisać na grupę światową ?
> 
> Pozdrawiam
> Wojciech.

Hi Wojciech,

Debian 8 (Jessie) is unsupported even as LTS.

https://wiki.debian.org/LTS

It has "died" as oldoldstable - this is my guess.

Kind regards
Georgi

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#243960 — Re: Instalacja Debian8 blad w Release

Hi,

Google translation says that Wojciech wrote:
> During the installation, when you choose a mirror server, packages is
> mistake.

Maybe the fallback servers listed in debian-8.11.1-amd64-DVD-1.jigdo
can be used.
I understand that this one is quite time specific:

  http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20190212T020859Z/

(But its libburn versions date back to 2012.)

This one seems to be the last resort for everything ever released:

  http://us.cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/snapshot/Debian/


> Is this email enough if I have to write to a world group?

It would be better in english language.
Google translations tend to become riddling or ridiculous.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#243961

Witaj Wojciech,

On 13/01/2022 11:02, Wojciech wrote:
>
> Kiedy mogę się spodziewać naprawienia ?

Never. Jessie end of life was in June 2018, and LTS support has ended in
June 2020, one and half years ago. It's a surprise that some Jessie
packages are even available online somewhere. This is not guaranteed.

> Jak jest metoda obejściowa w tym momencie.

Move on to Debian 9, current LTS support release, or Debian 10, current
normal support release.

Full list and their EOL dates:
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases


--
With kindest regards, Piotr.

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⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/
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#243963

On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 02:12:42PM +0000, piorunz wrote:
> Witaj Wojciech,
> 
> On 13/01/2022 11:02, Wojciech wrote:
> > 
> > Kiedy mogę się spodziewać naprawienia ?
> 
> Never. Jessie end of life was in June 2018, and LTS support has ended in
> June 2020, one and half years ago. It's a surprise that some Jessie
> packages are even available online somewhere. This is not guaranteed.
> 
> > Jak jest metoda obejściowa w tym momencie.
> 
> Move on to Debian 9, current LTS support release, or Debian 10, current
> normal support release.
> 

The latest normal support release is Debian 11 - Bullseye.

The previous version is Debian 10 - Buster - which will move to
long term support later in 2022.

It would be a very good idea to update to Debian 11 if you can.

With every good wish,

Andy Cater


> Full list and their EOL dates:
> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases
> 
> 
> --
> With kindest regards, Piotr.
> 
> ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
> ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
> ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/
> ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀
> 

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#243965

On 13/01/2022 15:58, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> The latest normal support release is Debian 11 - Bullseye.
>
> The previous version is Debian 10 - Buster - which will move to
> long term support later in 2022.
>
> It would be a very good idea to update to Debian 11 if you can.

Oh, I'm sorry, yes, of course. Debian 11 Bullseye is the current one.
Although 10 is still supported.

OP has a choice of:
Debian 9 Stretch (normal support ended, LTS running out),
Debian 10 Buster (normal support and running out),
Debian 11 Bullseye (normal support, current release).

I only mentioned older releases because OP was trying to resolve very
old release problem, meaning he for some reasons wants to stick with
older releases or is otherwise reluctant to upgrade, maybe for
compatibility reasons.

--
With kindest regards, Piotr.

⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/
⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀

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#243999

On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 3:13 PM piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> wrote:
>
> Witaj Wojciech,
>
> On 13/01/2022 11:02, Wojciech wrote:
> >
> > Kiedy mogę się spodziewać naprawienia ?
>
> Never. Jessie end of life was in June 2018, and LTS support has ended in
> June 2020, one and half years ago. It's a surprise that some Jessie
> packages are even available online somewhere. This is not guaranteed.

I would be more surprised if the packages were *not* available
somewhere, and I hope they are "guaranteed" the same way as the new
packages (that is, no guarantee other than the benevolence of the
community members). These things are very important for current and
future "software archeology" and for preserving the history and
evolution of computing.

Heck, I even had to install Debian Sarge a few years ago to try to
figure out how a very old piece of software was supposed to be built.
It was neat to have the whole ecosystem as a 2005 developer expected
and I'm very happy that the old versions were still downloadable!

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#244007

On 15/01/2022 06:49, Anders Andersson wrote:

> I would be more surprised if the packages were *not* available
> somewhere, and I hope they are "guaranteed" the same way as the new
> packages (that is, no guarantee other than the benevolence of the
> community members). These things are very important for current and
> future "software archeology" and for preserving the history and
> evolution of computing.
>
> Heck, I even had to install Debian Sarge a few years ago to try to
> figure out how a very old piece of software was supposed to be built.
> It was neat to have the whole ecosystem as a 2005 developer expected
> and I'm very happy that the old versions were still downloadable!

Generally speaking, I agree. Software archaeology is cool and nice thing
to have. People still use DOS, and install Windows 95. With Linux not so
much, but I understand that even you found personal use for old Linux
OS. Sarge actually finished in 2008, that's not that long ago.

But IMHO, burden of keeping all archaeological versions of Debian
shouldn't be on Debian Project. There are many volunteers with server
storage and bandwidth, they could keep it online, as torrents, etc.

--
With kindest regards, Piotr.

⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/
⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀

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#244008

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On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 01:28:16PM +0000, piorunz wrote:

[...]

> But IMHO, burden of keeping all archaeological versions of Debian
> shouldn't be on Debian Project. There are many volunteers with server
> storage and bandwidth, they could keep it online, as torrents, etc.

I don't understand: are you arguing for Debian to close its archive [1]?

Because Debian /is/ providing access to its historical releases. Do you
think it should not?

Cheers

[1] http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/

-- 
t

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#244009

On 15/01/2022 13:32, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 01:28:16PM +0000, piorunz wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> But IMHO, burden of keeping all archaeological versions of Debian
>> shouldn't be on Debian Project. There are many volunteers with server
>> storage and bandwidth, they could keep it online, as torrents, etc.
>
> I don't understand: are you arguing for Debian to close its archive [1]?
>
> Because Debian /is/ providing access to its historical releases. Do you
> think it should not?
>
> Cheers
>
> [1] http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/

I didn't say that Debian should close the archive. But maybe people
should help with seeding ISO files. I entered random release on archive
page, and I can see that torrents are not available. I don't know why,
that would help reduce costs to Debian. Unless Archive is already hosted
by contributor/volunteer company? That would be great.

Also, in the archive you have only Debian releases from 3 onwards. Older
releases are not available.

And lastly, Debian archive nowhere says and/or guarantees that files
will be kept there forever.

--
With kindest regards, Piotr.

⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/
⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀

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#244010

Le samedi 15 janvier 2022 à 13:48 +0000, piorunz a écrit :

[...]
> Also, in the archive you have only Debian releases from 3 onwards.
> Older releases are not available.
[...]

True, there are no ISOs to be downloaded, because at the time of
release, floppy drives still were more ubiquitous than optical drives,
but I think all is there to install 0.93R6
http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/buzz/main/disks-i386/1996_6_16/install.txt

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#244011

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 01:48:39PM +0000, piorunz wrote:
> On 15/01/2022 13:32, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 01:28:16PM +0000, piorunz wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > > But IMHO, burden of keeping all archaeological versions of Debian
> > > shouldn't be on Debian Project. There are many volunteers with server
> > > storage and bandwidth, they could keep it online, as torrents, etc.
> > 
> > I don't understand: are you arguing for Debian to close its archive [1]?
> > 
> > Because Debian /is/ providing access to its historical releases. Do you
> > think it should not?
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > [1] http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/
> 
> I didn't say that Debian should close the archive. But maybe people
> should help with seeding ISO files. I entered random release on archive
> page, and I can see that torrents are not available. I don't know why,
> that would help reduce costs to Debian. Unless Archive is already hosted
> by contributor/volunteer company? That would be great.
> 
> Also, in the archive you have only Debian releases from 3 onwards. Older
> releases are not available.
> 
> And lastly, Debian archive nowhere says and/or guarantees that files
> will be kept there forever.
> 
> --
> With kindest regards, Piotr.
> 
> ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
> ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
> ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/
> ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀
>

Somewhere around there exist CD releases for 1.2 and 1.3 but they're on 
physical media and no-one has uploaded them yet .. :(

There's also the problem that the oldest media may now be unstable
and there may not be that many copies around.

Debian 1.3, for example is one CD of source, one of i386 binaries - I think.

Debian 1.2 was similar but smaller in numbers of packages.

I've had all of these at one point or another but passed physical copies
to someone else - I can ask if they can upload them :)

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater 

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#244018

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On Sb, 15 ian 22, 13:48:39, piorunz wrote:
> 
> And lastly, Debian archive nowhere says and/or guarantees that files
> will be kept there forever.

"forever" is a very, very, very long time ;)

Who can guarantee something like this, and if anyone would, why would 
you believe them?

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
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#244031

On 15/01/2022 16:50, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 15 ian 22, 13:48:39, piorunz wrote:
>>
>> And lastly, Debian archive nowhere says and/or guarantees that files
>> will be kept there forever.
>
> "forever" is a very, very, very long time ;)
>
> Who can guarantee something like this, and if anyone would, why would
> you believe them?
>
> Kind regards,
> Andrei

Of course, it's just a play of words. That being said, we all know older
releases aren't supported in any way, and it's just Debian's courtesy
that files are kept online and available.

--
With kindest regards, Piotr.

⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/
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#243976 — Re: Installation Debian8 error in Release

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Hi,
Thanks Tomas for your answer.
In the installation process, at the moment of when I choosing mirror 
server for example http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/dist/jessie/Release 
installation is break.
For jessie is selected choose-mirror: wget -q 
http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/dist/jessie/Release -O - | grep -E  
'^(Suite|Codename):'
Output this command is:
Suite:  oldoldstable
Codename: jessie
In the next step is choose-mirror: wget -q 
http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/dist/oldoldstable/Release -O - | grep -E 
'^(Suite|Codename):' because earlier Suite is oldoldstable (2xold and 
stable)
Output this command is:
Suite: oldoldstable
Codename: stretch
Attention: not jessie

Codename jessie is version 8.11
Codename stretch is version 9.11

Correct destination link is oldoldoldstable (3xold and stable)
Realease from http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/dists/oldoldoldstable/Release:
"
Origin: Debian
Label: Debian
Suite: oldoldstable
Version: 8.11
Codename: jessie
..."
Correct entry in http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/Release 
will be
"
Origin: Debian
Label: Debian
Suite: oldoldoldstable
Version: 8.11
Codename: jessie
..."
This situation is on many mirror servers. I checked Sweden, Switzerland, 
Holland and USA.
Is it a little clearer now ?
Workaround this trouble is installation without mirror server, and after 
reboot write manually list source packages to /etc/apt/sources.list and 
run tasksel and choose components (of course after apt update)

Have a nice day

W dniu 13.01.2022 o 14:58, Thomas Schmitt pisze:
> Hi,
>
> Google translation says that Wojciech wrote:
>> During the installation, when you choose a mirror server, packages is
>> mistake.
> Maybe the fallback servers listed in debian-8.11.1-amd64-DVD-1.jigdo
> can be used.
> I understand that this one is quite time specific:
>
>    http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20190212T020859Z/
>
> (But its libburn versions date back to 2012.)
>
> This one seems to be the last resort for everything ever released:
>
>    http://us.cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/snapshot/Debian/
>
>
>> Is this email enough if I have to write to a world group?
> It would be better in english language.
> Google translations tend to become riddling or ridiculous.
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>

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#243980 — Re: Instalacja Debian8 blad w Release

Hi,

Wojciech wrote:
> Suite: oldoldstable
> Codename: stretch
> Attention: not jessie

As stated by others without Cc-ing you:
Jessie is not supported any more.

See the "Follow-Ups" link list of your archived post at
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2022/01/msg00391.html


> Correct destination link is oldoldoldstable (3xold and stable)
> Realease from http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/dists/oldoldoldstable/Release

It is somewhat astounding that "oldoldoldstable" exists.
All Debian info resources which i knew only list "oldoldstable".

But "oldoldoldstable", "jessie", and "Debian8.11" are indeed available on
the central server:
  https://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/
  https://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/README

I expect them to vanish in the future. But the snapshot links which i
proposed will stay hopefully much longer.
So depending on your plans how long to run Jessie it might be worth to
check already now whether the snapshots can substitute for the current
"oldoldoldstable".
(An alternative would be to copy the current "oldoldoldstable" repository
to a local filesystem.)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#243982 — Re: Installation Debian8 error in Release

On 1/14/22 03:16, Wojciech wrote:
> Hi,
> Thanks Tomas for your answer.
> In the installation process, at the moment of when I choosing mirror
> server for example  http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/dist/jessie/Release
> installation is break.
> For jessie is selected choose-mirror: wget -q
> http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/dist/jessie/Release -O - | grep -E 
> '^(Suite|Codename):'
> Output this command is:
> Suite:  oldoldstable
> Codename: jessie
> In the next step is choose-mirror: wget -q
> http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/dist/oldoldstable/Release -O - | grep -E
> '^(Suite|Codename):' because earlier Suite is oldoldstable (2xold and
> stable)
> Output this command is:
> Suite: oldoldstable
> Codename: stretch
> Attention: not jessie
> 
> Codename jessie is version 8.11
> Codename stretch is version 9.11
> 
> Correct destination link is oldoldoldstable (3xold and stable)
> Realease from http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/dists/oldoldoldstable/Release:
> "
> Origin: Debian
> Label: Debian
> Suite: oldoldstable
> Version: 8.11
> Codename: jessie
> ..."
> Correct entry in   http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/Release
> will be
> "
> Origin: Debian
> Label: Debian
> Suite: oldoldoldstable
> Version: 8.11
> Codename: jessie
> ..."
> This situation is on many mirror servers. I checked Sweden, Switzerland,
> Holland and USA.
> Is it a little clearer now ?
> Workaround this trouble is installation without mirror server, and after
> reboot write manually list source packages to /etc/apt/sources.list and
> run tasksel and choose components (of course after apt update)
> 
> Have a nice day
> 
> W dniu 13.01.2022 o 14:58, Thomas Schmitt pisze:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Google translation says that Wojciech wrote:
>>> During the installation, when you choose a mirror server, packages is
>>> mistake.
>> Maybe the fallback servers listed in debian-8.11.1-amd64-DVD-1.jigdo
>> can be used.
>> I understand that this one is quite time specific:
>>
>>   http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20190212T020859Z/
>>
>> (But its libburn versions date back to 2012.)
>>
>> This one seems to be the last resort for everything ever released:
>>
>>   http://us.cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/snapshot/Debian/
>>
>>
>>> Is this email enough if I have to write to a world group?
>> It would be better in english language.
>> Google translations tend to become riddling or ridiculous.


Hi Wojciech,

for old unsupported versions of Debian you should not use regular Debian
mirrors, you should use "archive" mirrors.

https://www.debian.org/distrib/archive

Kind regards
Georgi

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