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  Debian 11 xfce A KHANNA <ackhanna11@gmail.com> - 2022-01-12 11:00 +0100
    Re: Debian 11 xfce "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2022-01-12 11:40 +0100
      Re: Debian 11 xfce Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2022-01-12 16:50 +0100
        Re: Debian 11 xfce "c. marlow" <debian@cwm030.com> - 2022-01-12 17:00 +0100
          Re: Debian 11 xfce Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2022-01-12 17:50 +0100
            Re: Debian 11 xfce Alexis Grigoriou <alexis@nanoid.net> - 2022-01-12 18:30 +0100
          Re: Debian 11 xfce Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2022-01-12 18:10 +0100
          Re: Debian 11 xfce <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-01-12 19:00 +0100
            Re: Debian 11 xfce Ken Cunningham <ken.cunningham.webuse@gmail.com> - 2022-01-12 20:50 +0100
              Re: Debian 11 xfce "c. marlow" <debian@cwm030.com> - 2022-01-13 19:20 +0100
          Re: Debian 11 xfce "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2022-01-12 20:50 +0100
            Re: Debian 11 xfce <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-01-12 21:40 +0100
              Re: Debian 11 xfce "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2022-01-12 22:10 +0100
                Re: Debian 11 xfce Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2022-01-12 22:40 +0100
                  Re: Debian 11 xfce "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2022-01-12 23:00 +0100
                Re: Debian 11 xfce <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-01-13 09:00 +0100
      Re: Debian 11 xfce arun <ackhanna11@gmail.com> - 2022-01-22 12:00 +0100

#243911 — Debian 11 xfce

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Hi

I have a query that I would appreciate if you can help out as I am new to
Linux
How to activate mouse hover click in above system?..it is not having
options available in ubuntu.
Many thanks
Regards
A Khanna

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#243912

Hi,

A KHANNA wrote:
> How to activate mouse hover click in above system?..it is not having options
> available in ubuntu.

It seems that a program named "mousetweaks" is in charge for this.
I understand that its option --dwell is what you are looking for.

My impression comes from Google results with "mouse hover click xfce":
  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1161695/how-to-disable-hover-click-in-bionic-with-xfce4
  https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=11736

and then looking up Debian resources
  https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/mousetweaks
  https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/mousetweaks/mousetweaks.1.en.html


I am not often using XFCE. So you will still need to find an answer how
to automatically start mousetweaks when starting your desktop session.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#243920

On 1/12/22, Thomas Schmitt <scdbackup@gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A KHANNA wrote:
>> How to activate mouse hover click in above system?..it is not having
>> options
>> available in ubuntu.
>
> It seems that a program named "mousetweaks" is in charge for this.
> I understand that its option --dwell is what you are looking for.
>
> My impression comes from Google results with "mouse hover click xfce":
>
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1161695/how-to-disable-hover-click-in-bionic-with-xfce4
>   https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=11736
>
> and then looking up Debian resources
>   https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/mousetweaks
>   https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/mousetweaks/mousetweaks.1.en.html
>
>
> I am not often using XFCE. So you will still need to find an answer how
> to automatically start mousetweaks when starting your desktop session.


I just tried installing mousetweaks. It's not showing up under the
autostart option for login so the next step would be to try the "+"
(Add application) option. All of that can be found by following:

Applications (desktop menu) > Settings > Session and Startup >
Application Autostart (tab)

There may also be at least one other path to that same end, but that's
the one that has always worked for me for things like this (and Magnus
and...).

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

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#243922

On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:43:00 -0500
Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 1/12/22, Thomas Schmitt <scdbackup@gmx.net> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > A KHANNA wrote:  
> >> How to activate mouse hover click in above system?..it is not
> >> having options
> >> available in ubuntu.  
> >
> > It seems that a program named "mousetweaks" is in charge for this.
> > I understand that its option --dwell is what you are looking for.
> >
> > My impression comes from Google results with "mouse hover click
> > xfce":
> >
> > https://askubuntu.com/questions/1161695/how-to-disable-hover-click-in-bionic-with-xfce4
> >   https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=11736
> >
> > and then looking up Debian resources
> >   https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/mousetweaks
> >   https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/mousetweaks/mousetweaks.1.en.html
> >
> >
> > I am not often using XFCE. So you will still need to find an answer
> > how to automatically start mousetweaks when starting your desktop
> > session.  
> 
> 
> I just tried installing mousetweaks. It's not showing up under the
> autostart option for login so the next step would be to try the "+"
> (Add application) option. All of that can be found by following:
> 
> Applications (desktop menu) > Settings > Session and Startup >
> Application Autostart (tab)


I honestly don't see what people see in XFCE

To me, XFCE looks VERY DATED and out of the 90s. 

YMMV, I guess.


====================
Thanks,
Chris

If you need to email me off list, please use chris@cwm030.com

Debian 11
Gnome 3

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#243924

c. marlow wrote: 
> 
> I honestly don't see what people see in XFCE
> 
> To me, XFCE looks VERY DATED and out of the 90s. 

It works; it rarely breaks after a version upgrade; and it is configurable.

That's three advantages over GNOME.

-dsr-

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#243926

On Wed, 2022-01-12 at 11:27 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> c. marlow wrote: 
> > I honestly don't see what people see in XFCE
> > 
> > To me, XFCE looks VERY DATED and out of the 90s. 
> 
> It works; it rarely breaks after a version upgrade; and it is
> configurable.
> 
> That's three advantages over GNOME.
> 
> -dsr-

GNOME was ok when it looked like XFCE. v2.0 IIRC

But yes, XFCE is rock solid, simple and ugly. Just like VLC.

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#243925

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 09:52:01AM -0600, c. marlow wrote:
> I honestly don't see what people see in XFCE
> 
> To me, XFCE looks VERY DATED and out of the 90s. 

You say that like it's a bad thing.

For many people, a user interface that keeps changing every few years
is incredibly annoying.  There is value in consistency and simplicity.

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On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 09:52:01AM -0600, c. marlow wrote:

[...]

> I honestly don't see what people see in XFCE

Uh, oh. This is asking for trouble ;)

> To me, XFCE looks VERY DATED and out of the 90s. 

perhaps...

> YMMV, I guess.

That's *exactly* the point. Mileage varies wildly, especially in the
user interface department. There are even people who don't want a
desktop environment *at all*, imagine that :^)

The real challenge would be a way for all of us to get along together
despite such preferencial differences :-)

Cheers
-- 
t

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#243930

> On Jan 12, 2022, at 9:58 AM, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 09:52:01AM -0600, c. marlow wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> I honestly don't see what people see in XFCE
> 
> Uh, oh. This is asking for trouble ;)
> 
>> To me, XFCE looks VERY DATED and out of the 90s. 
> 
> perhaps...
> 
>> YMMV, I guess.
> 
> That's *exactly* the point. Mileage varies wildly, especially in the
> user interface department. There are even people who don't want a
> desktop environment *at all*, imagine that :^)
> 
> The real challenge would be a way for all of us to get along together
> despite such preferencial differences :-)
> 
> Cheers
> -- 
> t

On a debian 11 ppc64 system running on an Apple Dual G5 PPC 970 with 3.5G of Ram, xfce turns out to the most responsive environment of the ones that will work there. So that is what I use on that system.

On the other hand, on an Apple Intel Macbook circa 2006 with a Core2 processor and 4G of ram, Mate is very nice, and I prefer that there.

Once the applications are running it matters little however, of course.

I’m happy there are choices.

Ken

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#243966

> > On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 09:52:01AM -0600, c. marlow wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> >   
> >> I honestly don't see what people see in XFCE  
> > 
> > Uh, oh. This is asking for trouble ;)
> >   
> >> To me, XFCE looks VERY DATED and out of the 90s.   
> > 


Funny, I say that, but I am using THUNAR as my file manager in Gnome 3. 

I tried Nemo first,  I used it for almost a month and it was OKAY I
guess... 

I then decided to install Thunar, and I liked it better. 


But, that's as close to XFCE as I am going to get! lol


====================
Thanks,
Chris

If you need to email me off list, please use chris@cwm030.com

Debian 11
Gnome 3

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#243931

On 12.01.2022 20:52, c. marlow wrote:
> I honestly don't see what people see in XFCE
>
> To me, XFCE looks VERY DATED and out of the 90s.
If it looks dated just change the theme lol.

Xfce is lightweight, efficient and fast even on legacy hardware.
Xfce is reliable, rich with features and not bloated at the same time.
Xfce is customizable. GUI elements don't waste precious screen space 
with extra-extra-wide spans\margins.
Xfce is consistent and familiar.

Although consistency gets ruined by forced garbage features from GTK3 
like Client-Side Decorations (custom title bar).
Who thought that moving dialog window buttons (Ok, Cancel, Save, etc) 
from usual bottom side to an arbitrary location and separate them away 
is a good idea?  smh

-- 
With kindest regards, Alexander.

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On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 12:46:20AM +0500, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:

[...]

> Although consistency gets ruined by forced garbage features from GTK3 like
> Client-Side Decorations (custom title bar).
> Who thought that moving dialog window buttons (Ok, Cancel, Save, etc) from
> usual bottom side to an arbitrary location and separate them away is a good
> idea?  smh

Now, now, there. There are people who like that (not me), so leave them
their mileage too.

Cheers
-- 
t

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#243934

On 13.01.2022 01:29, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 12:46:20AM +0500, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> Although consistency gets ruined by forced garbage features from GTK3 like
>> Client-Side Decorations (custom title bar).
>> Who thought that moving dialog window buttons (Ok, Cancel, Save, etc) from
>> usual bottom side to an arbitrary location and separate them away is a good
>> idea?  smh
> Now, now, there. There are people who like that (not me), so leave them
> their mileage too.
I'm not against the feature itself, but against the fact that it is not 
customizable, without option to switch back to old behavior.
These changes break desktop managers, working programs and distract from 
familiar workflows.
My initial reaction to this was: "Huh? Where the buttons go?" and it 
took me a while to find them inside window.
And more time was wasted on fruitless attempts to make them go to the 
usual place.

-- 
With kindest regards, Alexander.

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⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org
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#243936

Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: 
> On 13.01.2022 01:29, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 12:46:20AM +0500, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:
> > 
> > > Although consistency gets ruined by forced garbage features from GTK3 like
> > > Client-Side Decorations (custom title bar).
> > > Who thought that moving dialog window buttons (Ok, Cancel, Save, etc) from
> > > usual bottom side to an arbitrary location and separate them away is a good
> > > idea?  smh
> > Now, now, there. There are people who like that (not me), so leave them
> > their mileage too.
> I'm not against the feature itself, but against the fact that it is not
> customizable, without option to switch back to old behavior.
> These changes break desktop managers, working programs and distract from
> familiar workflows.
> My initial reaction to this was: "Huh? Where the buttons go?" and it took me
> a while to find them inside window.
> And more time was wasted on fruitless attempts to make them go to the usual
> place.

apt install libgtk3-nocsd0

>From the description:

 Library to disable Gtk+ 3 client side decorations (CSD) libgtk3-nocsd
 is a small LD_PRELOADable library used to disable the client side
 decorations (CSD) of Gtk+ 3.

I use it.

-dsr-

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#243937

On 13.01.2022 02:12, Dan Ritter wrote:
> apt install libgtk3-nocsd0
>
>  From the description:
>
>   Library to disable Gtk+ 3 client side decorations (CSD) libgtk3-nocsd
>   is a small LD_PRELOADable library used to disable the client side
>   decorations (CSD) of Gtk+ 3.
>
> I use it.
>
> -dsr-
Thanks.
I've tried it before, but it didn't solve everything completely.
It created more problems than solved, most notable were duplicated title 
bars, dialog windows were displayed differently with buttons still on 
custom title bar and console was spammed with Gtk-* warnings.
Bottom line is, it's a neat hack, but it doesn't restore the visual 
consistency for programs I use.

Now that I think about it, many programs that use these CSDs are from 
Canonical, like "Document Scanner" (renamed from "Simple Scan"), 
"Document Viewer" ("Evince"), "Archive Manager". The others still behave 
normally.
So it's not fault of Xfce, but the single programs that were updated to 
new Gtk designs, featuring CSDs.
I wonder if somebody already forked them..

-- 
With kindest regards, Alexander.

⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org
⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀

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On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 02:08:20AM +0500, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:
> On 13.01.2022 01:29, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

[...]

> > Now, now, there. There are people who like that (not me), so leave them
> > their mileage too.
> I'm not against the feature itself, but against the fact that it is not
> customizable, without option to switch back to old behavior.

As I said: I don't like client-side decorations; actually I think they
are a bad idea (basically, I choose my window manager, and it is my ally
in front of possibly ill-behaved applications; having some random web
site out there control my window decorations just because the browser
thinks it's a good idea to pass on control is not what I bought my CPU
for).

That's why I hope X stays around until I'm recycled in the Big Bit
Bucket.

But I think it's important to acknowledge that there may be other,
equally valid views.

Cheers
-- 
t

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#244317

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Many thanks Thomas - there is a write up by XAH LEE (can google it) he 
has a nice tutorial

-- 
Regards
Arun Khanna

On 12/01/22 4:04 pm, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A KHANNA wrote:
>> How to activate mouse hover click in above system?..it is not having options
>> available in ubuntu.
> It seems that a program named "mousetweaks" is in charge for this.
> I understand that its option --dwell is what you are looking for.
>
> My impression comes from Google results with "mouse hover click xfce":
>    https://askubuntu.com/questions/1161695/how-to-disable-hover-click-in-bionic-with-xfce4
>    https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=11736
>
> and then looking up Debian resources
>    https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/mousetweaks
>    https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/mousetweaks/mousetweaks.1.en.html
>
>
> I am not often using XFCE. So you will still need to find an answer how
> to automatically start mousetweaks when starting your desktop session.
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>

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