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  Thunderbird not allowing local accounts "Paul M. Foster" <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2022-01-05 14:40 +0100
    Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2022-01-05 15:20 +0100
      Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts "Paul M. Foster" <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2022-01-05 15:50 +0100
        Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2022-01-05 18:00 +0100
          Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2022-01-05 19:40 +0100
            Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2022-01-05 21:50 +0100
            Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts conover@rahul.net (John Conover) - 2022-01-05 21:50 +0100
              Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2022-01-05 22:20 +0100
              Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2022-01-06 08:40 +0100
                Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2022-01-06 16:30 +0100
                  Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2022-01-06 21:10 +0100
                Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts "Jeremy Nicoll" <jn.ml.dbn.25@letterboxes.org> - 2022-01-06 16:30 +0100
              Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2022-02-07 03:20 +0100
          Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts rhkramer@gmail.com - 2022-01-06 02:30 +0100
          Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2022-01-06 09:30 +0100
            Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2022-01-06 15:00 +0100
        Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2022-01-05 19:50 +0100
          Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2022-01-06 11:50 +0100
            Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2022-01-06 15:00 +0100
          Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts John Crawley <john@bunsenlabs.org> - 2022-01-08 08:00 +0100
            Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts "Bob Crochelt" <rfc56@fastmail.com> - 2022-01-08 15:40 +0100
        Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2022-01-06 09:50 +0100
          Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts didier.gaumet@gmail.com - 2022-01-06 10:20 +0100
    Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts "Jeremy Nicoll" <jn.ml.dbn.25@letterboxes.org> - 2022-01-05 20:30 +0100
      Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2022-01-05 21:10 +0100
        Re: Thunderbird not allowing local accounts "Jeremy Nicoll" <jn.ml.dbn.25@letterboxes.org> - 2022-01-05 21:20 +0100

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John,
thanks for this.  Seems to work here as well
Bob C.

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022, at 22:37, John Crawley wrote:
> On 06/01/2022 03:26, Charles Curley wrote:
> > On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 09:44:24 -0500
> > "Paul M. Foster" <paulf@quillandmouse.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Can anyone recommend another MUA which uses mbox format and is
> >> relatively easy to configure?
> > 
> > Claws-mail and mutt for two.
> > 
> > Or, if you want to stick with your investment in Thunderbird, use
> > dovecot to set up a local imap server.
> 
> This issue hit me this morning too. With a huge decades-long investment in TB.
> Much websearching later, discovered that setting up dovecot as a local imap server is nowhere as complicated as it looks [1].
> 
> Just install dovecot-imapd + dependencies
> It's configured by default to do exactly what's needed here (serve /var/mail<username>).
> 
> Then set up a new imap account on Thunderbird:
> 
> name and email address <username>@<hostname>
> 
> Server Type: IMAP Mail Server
> Server Name: localhost, Port: 143
> User Name: <username>
> Connection security: None
> Authentication method: Password, transmitted insecurely
> 
> It seems to be working now. Just have to wait to see if it fetches new messages as they arrive...
> 
> [1] https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=2089364&sid=3a7ead4db70a4207632405a9aa06dc59#p2089364
> 
> -- 
> John
> 
> 

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#243753

Le mercredi 05 janvier 2022 à 09:44 -0500, Paul M. Foster a écrit :
> 
> Can anyone recommend another MUA which uses mbox format and is 
> relatively easy to configure?
> 
> Paul

Hello Paul,

For GUI MUAs,
others have suggested Claws-mail (with the mbox plgin, by default Claws
only manages MH mailboxes) and I confirm it can do what you want. 
A problem is that certain MUAs (Balsa, Geary, etc...) manage Mbox
mailboxes but cannot associate a Mbox with a true local account
(/var/mail/...) or do this with severe limitations.
Confronted like you to Thunderbird changes (integrated OpenPGP instead
of gpg standard integration, and now movemail management
suppression...), I chose Evolution and do not regret it: I find it to
be slighty better, with the only drawback of NNTP, still perfectible

For CLI/TUI MUAs, 
I think they are all genuine MUAs, designed to cope with /var/mail Mbox
mailboxes

Cheers :-)

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#243754

Le jeudi 06 janvier 2022 à 09:40 +0100, didier gaumet a écrit :

[...]
> For CLI/TUI MUAs, 
> I think they are all genuine MUAs, designed to cope with /var/mail
> Mbox
> mailboxes

Correction, they are almost all designed to cope with Mbox, but for
example mh/nmh/mmh are not (MH mailboxes)

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#243735

On Wed, 5 Jan 2022, at 13:35, Paul M. Foster wrote:
> Folks:
>
> I just restarted my machine, and am using Thunderbird 91.4.1 (the 
> latest) 64 bit on Debian 11. I didn't reinstall Thunderbird or upgrade 
> it...

I've never used TB so these questions might be crazy ...

Is TB able to import a set of mails stored in a folder somewhere 
else on a machine?

If it is, is that able to be scheduled somehow - eg via cron?

Does TB have filter capabilities that affect what happens with 
mails as they're imported, perhaps separately from mails
that are fetched from somewhere?

If those work, would one need a separate mechanism to get 
the mails currently accumulating in "mail spool" or wherever
into (exported?) a folder from which the import could pick 
them up?

I know that if this affected me I'd be hugely upset having to 
consider abandoning one MUA and learning all the ins&outs
of another one, and would - in the short term anyway - prefer
to find some way of making TB still see the mails concerned.

-- 
Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

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#243737

Jeremy Nicoll wrote: 
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2022, at 13:35, Paul M. Foster wrote:
> > Folks:
> >
> > I just restarted my machine, and am using Thunderbird 91.4.1 (the 
> > latest) 64 bit on Debian 11. I didn't reinstall Thunderbird or upgrade 
> > it...
> 
> I've never used TB so these questions might be crazy ...
> 
> Is TB able to import a set of mails stored in a folder somewhere 
> else on a machine?

That's the capability that appears to have gone away.

> Does TB have filter capabilities that affect what happens with 
> mails as they're imported, perhaps separately from mails
> that are fetched from somewhere?

Yes.

> If those work, would one need a separate mechanism to get 
> the mails currently accumulating in "mail spool" or wherever
> into (exported?) a folder from which the import could pick 
> them up?

As previously mentioned, the mechanism for that is now "set up
dovecot or another IMAP server".

-dsr-

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#243738

On Wed, 5 Jan 2022, at 19:52, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Jeremy Nicoll wrote: 
>> On Wed, 5 Jan 2022, at 13:35, Paul M. Foster wrote:
>> > Folks:
>> >
>> > I just restarted my machine, and am using Thunderbird 91.4.1 (the 
>> > latest) 64 bit on Debian 11. I didn't reinstall Thunderbird or upgrade 
>> > it...
>> 
>> I've never used TB so these questions might be crazy ...
>> 
>> Is TB able to import a set of mails stored in a folder somewhere 
>> else on a machine?
>
> That's the capability that appears to have gone away.


Well, I said I'd not used TB.  But on another client I used to use (until its
author stopped maintaining it) these were separate facilities.  One could
define a mail account from which mails would be fetched, but they'd 
just be read from a folder.  I did use that, when migrating from a client
on a separate OS; that OS separated mail fetch from mail debatch so 
while still using that client on its own OS I spun off duplicate sets of 
incoming mails and had the new client debatch from those folders.
Only once I was certain I had the new client working satisfactorily did
I update it to fetch direct from mail servers and stop using the local 
folder source.

Separately at any time one could manually do an import of mails from
some place.  Clearly the latter facility had to exist so that people could
move mail from one mail client to another.

In this situation I'd wonder if for example one could start TB from the 
commandline telling it to import from a folder, though that might not
work if TB is already running.

I'd also consider using some screen automation utility to automate 
the otherwise manual process of initiating an import via TB's menus.


-- 
Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

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