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| Started by | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| First post | 2021-10-13 17:20 +0200 |
| Last post | 2021-10-15 14:20 +0200 |
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Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-13 17:20 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-10-13 18:10 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-10-13 19:10 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-13 19:30 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-10-13 19:40 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-13 20:20 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-10-13 20:50 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-10-13 21:10 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-13 21:30 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-10-13 21:50 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-13 21:10 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-10-13 21:10 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-10-13 21:30 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-10-14 00:00 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-10-13 21:10 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-10-13 21:30 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-10-14 13:40 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-10-14 09:00 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-14 13:40 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-10-14 18:40 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-14 20:20 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-10-14 21:10 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-10-15 04:10 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-10-15 09:40 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-10-13 22:30 +0200
[SUCCESS] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-14 16:20 +0200
Re: [SUCCESS] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-10-14 16:30 +0200
Re: [SUCCESS] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-14 16:50 +0200
Re: [SUCCESS] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-14 23:00 +0200
Re: [SUCCESS] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-10-14 23:10 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2021-10-14 10:30 +0200
[RESOLVED] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-15 14:20 +0200
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-10-14 20:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D8duF-64r-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241306 |
(*ROFL*) * 6.23 * 10**23 On 10/14/2021 11:34 AM, Curt wrote: > On 2021-10-14, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote: >> >> Clarifying observed sequence of states/events: >> 1. Computer power off. >> 2. Alcatel Linkzone powered up and connected to cellular network. > > I'm under the impression the Linkzone is intended principally to be used > as a wifi hotpot. By whom? ?????????? Engineering or marketing? Hint: Marketing ASSUMES a one person household requires a dozen independent computers connected to web at *ALL* times. > Have you tried connecting to the thing wirelessly > rather than tethering your computer to the device via USB? When purchasing original device that was pretty much the spec I gave the salesperson [who horrors of horrors was technically competent] > I'm relatively certain this method must violate some constraint enumerated > earlier (there always seems to be one), but you can't have everything. you lose *GRIN*
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-10-14 21:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D8eh3-6zP-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241314 |
On Thu 14 Oct 2021 at 13:14:32 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > (*ROFL*) * 6.23 * 10**23 > > > > On 10/14/2021 11:34 AM, Curt wrote: > > On 2021-10-14, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote: > > > > > > Clarifying observed sequence of states/events: > > > 1. Computer power off. > > > 2. Alcatel Linkzone powered up and connected to cellular network. > > > > I'm under the impression the Linkzone is intended principally to be used > > as a wifi hotpot. > > By whom? ?????????? By the manufacturer, perhaps? Do you think they got it wrong? > Engineering or marketing? Both. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Alcatel-MW40V-2AALGB1-LINKZONE-MIFI-150MBPS-Black/dp/B07791Y58K > Hint: > Marketing ASSUMES a one person household requires a dozen independent > computers connected to web at *ALL* times. Really? You think that is not a useful technical facility? -- Brian.
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-10-15 04:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D8kPv-21i-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241306 |
On Thu 14 Oct 2021 at 16:34:48 (-0000), Curt wrote: > On 2021-10-14, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote: > > > > Clarifying observed sequence of states/events: > > 1. Computer power off. > > 2. Alcatel Linkzone powered up and connected to cellular network. > > I'm under the impression the Linkzone is intended principally to be used > as a wifi hotpot. Have you tried connecting to the thing wirelessly > rather than tethering your computer to the device via USB? I'm > relatively certain this method must violate some constraint enumerated > earlier (there always seems to be one), but you can't have everything. Two, I think. The first is "I _actively_ abhor activating *any* WiFi device. [long OT story]". The second is more subtle. The goal is not to get Debian onto the machine and move on. Rather, the aim is to generate a minimal, optimal, custom Debian installation method that will cope with whichever machine and whatever obstacles are thrown in its path. It's interesting that most people make things simple by installing their basic netinst system on ethernet, and then configuring wifi for normal use, whereas with this Linkzone the simple path (being avoided) appears to be just the opposite. Let's hope that the progress made with USB modeswitching in the d-i continues. Cheers, David.
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| From | Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-15 09:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D8pYR-6Fq-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241294 |
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On Jo, 14 oct 21, 06:38:41, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 10/14/2021 01:54 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Mi, 13 oct 21, 13:18:07, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
> Clarifying observed sequence of states/events:
> 1. Computer power off.
> 2. Alcatel Linkzone powered up and connected to cellular network.
> 3. Independent of whether or not the Linkzone is plugged into the
> computer, turning on computer power results in Grub menu appearing.
> 4. With the Linkzone plugged in, select a Grub menu entry.
> 5. "reset high-speed usb device number 3 using ehci-pci" is displayed
> in an infinite loop until Linkzone is unplugged.
> 6. Debian then comes up normally.
> 7. Internet available as soon as Linkzone is connected.
>
> > On the final install the switching between storage and modem mode is
> > done by the usb-modeswitch package. For many devices this is just a
> > simple 'eject' command, others may need something more convoluted.
>
> Does that consistent with what I just described?
Difficult to guess without logs.
> > In any case, you might be able to replicate the switch during the
> > install, assuming d-i doesn't already do this.
>
> How?
> *or*
> Is there another question to be asked?
apt show eject
The package does also have a udeb, so it should be available in d-i
(even if only by loading additional components in expert mode).
Kind regards,
Andrei
--
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser
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| From | Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-10-13 22:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D7T2X-1Po-23@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241266 |
On Wed, 2021-10-13 at 10:16 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are *exactly* two > choices for internet connectivity: > an ethernet device > *OR* > WiFi > > However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile ] > The installer is unable to see the internet. I just downloaded the latest netinst [1] and booted that with my ethernet cable disconnected and my phone connected to USB for 'USB Tethering'. The installer first tries automatically configuring the 'eno1' interface (wired ethernet) then after failing moves on to 'usb0' (my phone) which succeeds in configuring a network connection using DHCP. So it seems the installer will work fine with a USB wireless network device if it presents itself as a CDC device to the kernel, supporting the Remote NDIS protocol. It make work in other cases, that's just what my phone does and what I tested. [1] https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-11.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso -- Tixy
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-10-14 16:20 +0200 |
| Subject | [SUCCESS] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? |
| Message-ID | <D89Kp-3Ov-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241286 |
On 10/13/2021 03:22 PM, Tixy wrote: > On Wed, 2021-10-13 at 10:16 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: >> It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are *exactly* two >> choices for internet connectivity: >> an ethernet device >> *OR* >> WiFi >> >> However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile ] >> The installer is unable to see the internet. > > I just downloaded the latest netinst [1] and booted that with my > ethernet cable disconnected and my phone connected to USB for 'USB > Tethering'. The installer first tries automatically configuring the > 'eno1' interface (wired ethernet) then after failing moves on to 'usb0' > (my phone) which succeeds in configuring a network connection using > DHCP. > > So it seems the installer will work fine with a USB wireless network > device if it presents itself as a CDC device to the kernel, supporting > the Remote NDIS protocol. It make work in other cases, that's just what > my phone does and what I tested. > > [1] https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-11.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso > That version did an install without any problems. I just discovered that one of my problems [selecting a Grub menu entry resulting in an infinite loop until Linkzone unplugged] had been solved at Debian 10.7 or earlier.
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| From | "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-14 16:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [SUCCESS] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? |
| Message-ID | <D89U5-3Rx-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241298 |
On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 09:15:07AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 10/13/2021 03:22 PM, Tixy wrote: > > On Wed, 2021-10-13 at 10:16 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are *exactly* two > > > choices for internet connectivity: > > > an ethernet device > > > *OR* > > > WiFi > > > > > > However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile ] > > > The installer is unable to see the internet. > > > > I just downloaded the latest netinst [1] and booted that with my > > ethernet cable disconnected and my phone connected to USB for 'USB > > Tethering'. The installer first tries automatically configuring the > > 'eno1' interface (wired ethernet) then after failing moves on to 'usb0' > > (my phone) which succeeds in configuring a network connection using > > DHCP. > > > > So it seems the installer will work fine with a USB wireless network > > device if it presents itself as a CDC device to the kernel, supporting > > the Remote NDIS protocol. It make work in other cases, that's just what > > my phone does and what I tested. > > > > [1] https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-11.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso > > > > That version did an install without any problems. > I just discovered that one of my problems [selecting a Grub menu entry > resulting in an infinite loop until Linkzone unplugged] had been solved at > Debian 10.7 or earlier. > Hi Richard, There's a good reason why I keep suggesting that people use the latest versions of Debian and Debian installers. Each version brings its own bugs but alos bug fixes. Bugs are always with us but the asymptotic trend is that the bug fixes outnumber the newly introduced bugs. All the very best, as ever, Andy Cater > > >
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-10-14 16:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [SUCCESS] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? |
| Message-ID | <D8adu-3Yd-49@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241299 |
On 10/14/2021 09:26 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 09:15:07AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: >> On 10/13/2021 03:22 PM, Tixy wrote: >>> On Wed, 2021-10-13 at 10:16 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: >>>> It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are *exactly* two >>>> choices for internet connectivity: >>>> an ethernet device >>>> *OR* >>>> WiFi >>>> >>>> However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile ] >>>> The installer is unable to see the internet. >>> >>> I just downloaded the latest netinst [1] and booted that with my >>> ethernet cable disconnected and my phone connected to USB for 'USB >>> Tethering'. The installer first tries automatically configuring the >>> 'eno1' interface (wired ethernet) then after failing moves on to 'usb0' >>> (my phone) which succeeds in configuring a network connection using >>> DHCP. >>> >>> So it seems the installer will work fine with a USB wireless network >>> device if it presents itself as a CDC device to the kernel, supporting >>> the Remote NDIS protocol. It make work in other cases, that's just what >>> my phone does and what I tested. >>> >>> [1] https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-11.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso >>> >> >> That version did an install without any problems. >> I just discovered that one of my problems [selecting a Grub menu entry >> resulting in an infinite loop until Linkzone unplugged] had been solved at >> Debian 10.7 or earlier. >> > > Hi Richard, > > There's a good reason why I keep suggesting that people use the latest > versions of Debian and Debian installers. Each version brings its own > bugs but alos bug fixes. Bugs are always with us but the asymptotic > trend is that the bug fixes outnumber the newly introduced bugs. > > All the very best, as ever, > > Andy Cater > <chuckle> I was just setting up to download Debian 10.1 DVD1 to see if some other a annoyances have been resolved.
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-10-14 23:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [SUCCESS] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? |
| Message-ID | <D8fZw-7oO-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241301 |
On 10/14/2021 09:40 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 10/14/2021 09:26 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 09:15:07AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: >>> On 10/13/2021 03:22 PM, Tixy wrote: >>>> On Wed, 2021-10-13 at 10:16 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: >>>>> It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are *exactly* two >>>>> choices for internet connectivity: >>>>> an ethernet device >>>>> *OR* >>>>> WiFi >>>>> >>>>> However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile ] >>>>> The installer is unable to see the internet. >>>> >>>> I just downloaded the latest netinst [1] and booted that with my >>>> ethernet cable disconnected and my phone connected to USB for 'USB >>>> Tethering'. The installer first tries automatically configuring the >>>> 'eno1' interface (wired ethernet) then after failing moves on to 'usb0' >>>> (my phone) which succeeds in configuring a network connection using >>>> DHCP. >>>> >>>> So it seems the installer will work fine with a USB wireless network >>>> device if it presents itself as a CDC device to the kernel, supporting >>>> the Remote NDIS protocol. It make work in other cases, that's just what >>>> my phone does and what I tested. >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-11.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso >>>> >>>> >>> >>> That version did an install without any problems. >>> I just discovered that one of my problems [selecting a Grub menu entry >>> resulting in an infinite loop until Linkzone unplugged] had been >>> solved at >>> Debian 10.7 or earlier. >>> >> >> Hi Richard, >> >> There's a good reason why I keep suggesting that people use the latest >> versions of Debian and Debian installers. Each version brings its own >> bugs but alos bug fixes. Bugs are always with us but the asymptotic >> trend is that the bug fixes outnumber the newly introduced bugs. >> >> All the very best, as ever, >> >> Andy Cater >> > > <chuckle> > I was just setting up to download Debian 10.1 DVD1 to see if some other > a annoyances have been resolved. Things worked as desired on a Lenovo Thinkpad T510 BUT NOT ON a Dell Latitude E6410 I have some trouble shooting in my future ;/
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| From | "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-14 23:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [SUCCESS] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? |
| Message-ID | <D8g9c-7Hv-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241316 |
On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 03:58:27PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 10/14/2021 09:40 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > > On 10/14/2021 09:26 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 09:15:07AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > On 10/13/2021 03:22 PM, Tixy wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2021-10-13 at 10:16 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > > It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are *exactly* two > > > > > > choices for internet connectivity: > > > > > > an ethernet device > > > > > > *OR* > > > > > > WiFi > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile ] > > > > > > The installer is unable to see the internet. > > > > > > > > > > I just downloaded the latest netinst [1] and booted that with my > > > > > ethernet cable disconnected and my phone connected to USB for 'USB > > > > > Tethering'. The installer first tries automatically configuring the > > > > > 'eno1' interface (wired ethernet) then after failing moves on to 'usb0' > > > > > (my phone) which succeeds in configuring a network connection using > > > > > DHCP. > > > > > > > > > > So it seems the installer will work fine with a USB wireless network > > > > > device if it presents itself as a CDC device to the kernel, supporting > > > > > the Remote NDIS protocol. It make work in other cases, that's just what > > > > > my phone does and what I tested. > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-11.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That version did an install without any problems. > > > > I just discovered that one of my problems [selecting a Grub menu entry > > > > resulting in an infinite loop until Linkzone unplugged] had been > > > > solved at > > > > Debian 10.7 or earlier. > > > > > > > > > > Hi Richard, > > > > > > There's a good reason why I keep suggesting that people use the latest > > > versions of Debian and Debian installers. Each version brings its own > > > bugs but alos bug fixes. Bugs are always with us but the asymptotic > > > trend is that the bug fixes outnumber the newly introduced bugs. > > > > > > All the very best, as ever, > > > > > > Andy Cater > > > > > > > <chuckle> > > I was just setting up to download Debian 10.1 DVD1 to see if some other > > a annoyances have been resolved. > > Things worked as desired on a Lenovo Thinkpad T510 > BUT NOT ON > a Dell Latitude E6410 > > I have some trouble shooting in my future ;/ > Richard, To save time: I'd suggest that you use the netinst with included firmware: this might save us the game of 20 questions over what firmware the Dell Latitude needs - if this is the one that has the Nvidia graphics - there are specific ways to deal with this. All the very best, as ever, Andy Cater > > >
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| From | didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-14 10:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D84hL-uo-73@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241266 |
Hello, if your device does not appear as an ethernet or usb network interface and there is no trivial way to recognize it so in the installer, an option could be perhaps to use a USB-to-ethernet adaptor? It could also mean that the device is recognized in a ordinary Debian setup (not the Debian installer) from the boot stage without fuss.
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-10-15 14:20 +0200 |
| Subject | [RESOLVED] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? |
| Message-ID | <D8ulP-19U-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241266 |
On 10/13/2021 10:16 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are *exactly* two > choices for internet connectivity: > an ethernet device > *OR* > WiFi > > However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile ] > The installer is unable to see the internet. As of Debian 11.1 netinst.iso my Lenovo T510 operates as desired. The Dell E6410 does not. As the Lenovo has the larger screen I'm not going to spend further significant time on the Dell. > > Based on using that device on all of my Debian machines, I believe the > problem is how Debian negotiates with a USB device and that the Linkzone > resembles a disk drive until the negotiations have been completed. > > My evidence is how GParted responds to a USB flash drive. > If the flash drive is inserted first, it is /dev/sdb . > Else if the Linkzone is inserted first, the flash drive is identified as > /dev/sdc . > > Is there any workaround? > TIA
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