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| Started by | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| First post | 2021-10-13 17:20 +0200 |
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Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-13 17:20 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-10-13 18:10 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-10-13 19:10 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-13 19:30 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-10-13 19:40 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-13 20:20 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-10-13 20:50 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-10-13 21:10 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-13 21:30 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-10-13 21:50 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-13 21:10 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-10-13 21:10 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-10-13 21:30 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-10-14 00:00 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-10-13 21:10 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-10-13 21:30 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-10-14 13:40 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-10-14 09:00 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-14 13:40 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-10-14 18:40 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-14 20:20 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-10-14 21:10 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-10-15 04:10 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-10-15 09:40 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-10-13 22:30 +0200
[SUCCESS] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-14 16:20 +0200
Re: [SUCCESS] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-10-14 16:30 +0200
Re: [SUCCESS] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-14 16:50 +0200
Re: [SUCCESS] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-14 23:00 +0200
Re: [SUCCESS] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-10-14 23:10 +0200
Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2021-10-14 10:30 +0200
[RESOLVED] Re: Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-15 14:20 +0200
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-10-13 17:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Intrinsic problem with netinst.iso? |
| Message-ID | <D7OcV-7rC-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are *exactly* two
choices for internet connectivity:
an ethernet device
*OR*
WiFi
However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile ]
The installer is unable to see the internet.
Based on using that device on all of my Debian machines, I believe the
problem is how Debian negotiates with a USB device and that the Linkzone
resembles a disk drive until the negotiations have been completed.
My evidence is how GParted responds to a USB flash drive.
If the flash drive is inserted first, it is /dev/sdb .
Else if the Linkzone is inserted first, the flash drive is identified as
/dev/sdc .
Is there any workaround?
TIA
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| From | Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-13 18:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D7OZk-7WZ-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241266 |
On 10/13/21 8:16 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are *exactly* two > choices for internet connectivity: > an ethernet device > *OR* > WiFi > > However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile ] > The installer is unable to see the internet. are you using the nonfree firmware ISO? I have had no troubles with multiple installs, but I only use the nonfree > > Based on using that device on all of my Debian machines, I believe the > problem is how Debian negotiates with a USB device and that the > Linkzone resembles a disk drive until the negotiations have been > completed. > > My evidence is how GParted responds to a USB flash drive. > If the flash drive is inserted first, it is /dev/sdb . > Else if the Linkzone is inserted first, the flash drive is identified > as /dev/sdc . > > Is there any workaround? > TIA > > >
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| From | "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-13 19:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D7PVn-8v0-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241268 |
On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 08:51:28AM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote: > > On 10/13/21 8:16 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > > It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are *exactly* two > > choices for internet connectivity: > > an ethernet device > > *OR* > > WiFi > > > > However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile ] > > The installer is unable to see the internet. > > are you using the nonfree firmware ISO? > > I have had no troubles with multiple installs, but I only use the nonfree > Firmware iso is what I would suggest. > > > > > Based on using that device on all of my Debian machines, I believe the > > problem is how Debian negotiates with a USB device and that the Linkzone > > resembles a disk drive until the negotiations have been completed. > > > > My evidence is how GParted responds to a USB flash drive. > > If the flash drive is inserted first, it is /dev/sdb . > > Else if the Linkzone is inserted first, the flash drive is identified as > > /dev/sdc . > > > > Is there any workaround? > > TIA > > > > Is the linkzone recognised at all as a modem? Do you have wired connectivity available to you - that's also a way round "stuff" with firmware to at least get a system up and running. All best, Andy Cater > > >
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-10-13 19:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D7QeJ-9v-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241270 |
On 10/13/2021 12:09 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 08:51:28AM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote: >> >> On 10/13/21 8:16 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: >>> It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are *exactly* two >>> choices for internet connectivity: >>> an ethernet device >>> *OR* >>> WiFi >>> >>> However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile ] >>> The installer is unable to see the internet. >> >> are you using the nonfree firmware ISO? >> >> I have had no troubles with multiple installs, but I only use the nonfree >> > > Firmware iso is what I would suggest. > >> >>> >>> Based on using that device on all of my Debian machines, I believe the >>> problem is how Debian negotiates with a USB device and that the Linkzone >>> resembles a disk drive until the negotiations have been completed. >>> >>> My evidence is how GParted responds to a USB flash drive. >>> If the flash drive is inserted first, it is /dev/sdb . >>> Else if the Linkzone is inserted first, the flash drive is identified as >>> /dev/sdc . >>> >>> Is there any workaround? >>> TIA >>> >>> > Is the linkzone recognised at all as a modem? I'm connected to the internet right now with it as I have been since days of Squeeze/Wheezy. > > Do you have wired connectivity available to you - that's also a way > round "stuff" with firmware to at least get a system up and running. > > All best, > > Andy Cater > >>> >> > > >
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| From | Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-10-13 19:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D7Qop-cy-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241270 |
On Wed, 2021-10-13 at 17:09 +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 08:51:28AM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote: > > > > On 10/13/21 8:16 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are *exactly* two > > > choices for internet connectivity: > > > an ethernet device > > > *OR* > > > WiFi > > > > > > However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile ] > > > The installer is unable to see the internet. > > > > are you using the nonfree firmware ISO? > > > > I have had no troubles with multiple installs, but I only use the nonfree > > > > Firmware iso is what I would suggest. I suspect firmware isn't an issue. The device probably works as CDC Ethernet (don't know if installer kernel has the cdc_ether driver), but sounds like the device initially presents itself as a USB mass storage device and needs some way to force it to change modes. -- Tixy
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-10-13 20:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D7R17-EN-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241272 |
On 10/13/2021 12:35 PM, Tixy wrote: > On Wed, 2021-10-13 at 17:09 +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 08:51:28AM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote: >>> >>> On 10/13/21 8:16 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: >>>> It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are *exactly* two >>>> choices for internet connectivity: >>>> an ethernet device >>>> *OR* >>>> WiFi >>>> >>>> However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile ] >>>> The installer is unable to see the internet. >>> >>> are you using the nonfree firmware ISO? >>> >>> I have had no troubles with multiple installs, but I only use the nonfree >>> >> >> Firmware iso is what I would suggest. > > I suspect firmware isn't an issue. The device probably works as CDC > Ethernet (don't know if installer kernel has the cdc_ether driver), but > sounds like the device initially presents itself as a USB mass storage > device and needs some way to force it to change modes. > I've never heard of "CDC Ethernet" and what I found with a quickie web search wasn't very useful. What I see when Debian boots does not have any obvious conflict with what I see. If the Linkzone is already plugged in when boot begins it appears to be caught in a loop. As soon as the Linkzone is unplugged the boot completes as expected. Plug it back back in and I have immediate internet access. Where would I descriptive information about "CDC Ethernet"? I found bits of discussion about it but nothing educational. TIA
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| From | Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> |
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| Date | 2021-10-13 20:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D7Rua-Of-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241274 |
Hi. On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 01:18:07PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > Where would I descriptive information about "CDC Ethernet"? The usual place - kernel documentation. Specifically, it's Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim.rst.gz. Reco
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-10-13 21:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D7RNv-1ad-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241276 |
On Wed 13 Oct 2021 at 13:59:34 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 10/13/2021 01:31 PM, Reco wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 01:18:07PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > Where would I descriptive information about "CDC Ethernet"?
> >
> > The usual place - kernel documentation.
> > Specifically, it's Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim.rst.gz.
>
> No such file on my system.
> Using DuckDuckGo to search for "cdc_mbim.rst.gz" or "cdc_mbim.rst"
> gives hits for either term :{
Don't trust the extension, and use apt-file:
$ apt-file find Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim
linux-doc-4.19: /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-4.19/Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim.txt.gz
$
(buster)
Cheers,
David.
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-10-13 21:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D7S6R-1gL-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241278 |
On 10/13/2021 02:06 PM, David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 13 Oct 2021 at 13:59:34 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
>> On 10/13/2021 01:31 PM, Reco wrote:
>>> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 01:18:07PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>> Where would I descriptive information about "CDC Ethernet"?
>>>
>>> The usual place - kernel documentation.
>>> Specifically, it's Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim.rst.gz.
>>
>> No such file on my system.
>> Using DuckDuckGo to search for "cdc_mbim.rst.gz" or "cdc_mbim.rst"
>> gives hits for either term :{
>
> Don't trust the extension, and use apt-file:
>
> $ apt-file find Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim
> linux-doc-4.19: /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-4.19/Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim.txt.gz
> $
>
> (buster)
>
> Cheers,
> David.
>
>
>
I'm in over my head. I get:
richard@defaultinstall:~$
richard@defaultinstall:~$ apt-file find Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim
linux-doc-4.9:
/usr/share/doc/linux-doc-4.9/Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim.txt.gz
richard@defaultinstall:~$
What is it trying to tell me? The apt-file manpage leaves confused.
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-10-13 21:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D7Sqe-1nk-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241283 |
On Wed 13 Oct 2021 at 14:29:00 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 10/13/2021 02:06 PM, David Wright wrote:
> > On Wed 13 Oct 2021 at 13:59:34 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > On 10/13/2021 01:31 PM, Reco wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 01:18:07PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > > > Where would I descriptive information about "CDC Ethernet"?
> > > >
> > > > The usual place - kernel documentation.
> > > > Specifically, it's Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim.rst.gz.
> > >
> > > No such file on my system.
> > > Using DuckDuckGo to search for "cdc_mbim.rst.gz" or "cdc_mbim.rst"
> > > gives hits for either term :{
> >
> > Don't trust the extension, and use apt-file:
> >
> > $ apt-file find Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim
> > linux-doc-4.19: /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-4.19/Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim.txt.gz
> > $
> >
> > (buster)
>
> I'm in over my head. I get:
>
> richard@defaultinstall:~$
> richard@defaultinstall:~$ apt-file find Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim
> linux-doc-4.9:
> /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-4.9/Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim.txt.gz
> richard@defaultinstall:~$
>
> What is it trying to tell me? The apt-file manpage leaves confused.
The Debian package linux-doc-4.9 contains the file
/usr/share/doc/linux-doc-4.9/Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim.txt.gz
Cheers,
David.
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-10-13 21:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D7RNv-1ad-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241276 |
On 10/13/2021 01:31 PM, Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 01:18:07PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> Where would I descriptive information about "CDC Ethernet"?
>
> The usual place - kernel documentation.
> Specifically, it's Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim.rst.gz.
>
> Reco
No such file on my system.
Using DuckDuckGo to search for "cdc_mbim.rst.gz" or "cdc_mbim.rst" gives
hits for either term :{
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-10-13 21:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D7RNw-1ad-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241279 |
On Wed 13 Oct 2021 at 13:59:34 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 10/13/2021 01:31 PM, Reco wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 01:18:07PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > Where would I descriptive information about "CDC Ethernet"?
> >
> > The usual place - kernel documentation.
> > Specifically, it's Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim.rst.gz.
> >
> > Reco
>
> No such file on my system.
> Using DuckDuckGo to search for "cdc_mbim.rst.gz" or "cdc_mbim.rst" gives
> hits for either term :{
Try "cdc_mbim".
--
Brian.
>
>
>
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| From | Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-10-13 21:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D7S6S-1gL-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241279 |
On Wed, 2021-10-13 at 13:59 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 10/13/2021 01:31 PM, Reco wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 01:18:07PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > Where would I descriptive information about "CDC Ethernet"?
> >
> > The usual place - kernel documentation.
> > Specifically, it's Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim.rst.gz.
> >
> > Reco
>
> No such file on my system.
> Using DuckDuckGo to search for "cdc_mbim.rst.gz" or "cdc_mbim.rst"
> gives
> hits for either term :{
Google does. It's part of the documentation in the Linux source code
for the "Driver for CDC MBIM Mobile Broadband modems".
Perhaps that is what your Linkzone implements and no Ethernet as I
speculated? You can check by looking at the kernel logs when you plug
the device in on a computer.
--
Tixy
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| From | Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> |
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| Date | 2021-10-14 00:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D7Us2-2EO-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241279 |
On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 01:59:34PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 10/13/2021 01:31 PM, Reco wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 01:18:07PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > Where would I descriptive information about "CDC Ethernet"? > > > > The usual place - kernel documentation. > > Specifically, it's Documentation/networking/cdc_mbim.rst.gz. > > No such file on my system. apt install linux-doc </problem> Reco
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| From | Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-10-13 21:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D7RNw-1ad-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241274 |
On Wed, 2021-10-13 at 13:18 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 10/13/2021 12:35 PM, Tixy wrote: > On Wed, 2021-10-13 at 17:09 +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 08:51:28AM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote: > > > > > > On 10/13/21 8:16 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are > > > > *exactly* two > > > > choices for internet connectivity: > > > > an ethernet device > > > > *OR* > > > > WiFi > > > > > > > > However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T-Mobile > > > > ] > > > > The installer is unable to see the internet. > > > > > > are you using the nonfree firmware ISO? > > > > > > I have had no troubles with multiple installs, but I only use the > > > nonfree > > > > > > > Firmware iso is what I would suggest. > > I suspect firmware isn't an issue. The device probably works as CDC > Ethernet (don't know if installer kernel has the cdc_ether driver), > but > sounds like the device initially presents itself as a USB mass > storage > device and needs some way to force it to change modes. > I've never heard of "CDC Ethernet" and what I found with a quickie web search wasn't very useful. What I see when Debian boots does not have any obvious conflict with what I see. If the Linkzone is already plugged in when boot begins it appears to be caught in a loop. As soon as the Linkzone is unplugged the boot completes as expected. Plug it back back in and I have immediate internet access. Where would I descriptive information about "CDC Ethernet"? I found bits of discussion about it but nothing educational. I don't know anything to be useful, sorry. It's just part of the USB protocols for devices that want to look like ethernet and the Linux kernel has drivers for that. When I plug my Android phone into a PC via USB, I get to select on the phone what it should use USB for. If I select 'USB tethering' then the 'dmesg' output on the PC shows usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_ether rndis_host 2-2:1.0 usb0: register 'rndis_host' at usb-0000:00:14.0-2, RNDIS device, 6a:28:cd:07:4f:f1 usbcore: registered new interface driver rndis_host Then running 'ip link' from a command-line shows I've gained and ethernet device called 'usb0' which I can select in Network Manager if I choose. I suspect your Linkzone device is effectively an Android phone without a screen. But this doesn't help you, because you can't tell your device what USB protocol to select, unless the App for controlling the device that Alcatel's web site mentions lets you do that. There again, if you had an phone to run the app you wouldn't need the Linkzone, you could just use your phone for mobile internet access. Perhaps more relevantly, a previous phone of mine would always show up first as a USB mass storage device, and the contents looked like some Windows software (presumable so a Windows could automatically install something). If I remember correctly. I would have to unmount that before I could connect to it properly for file transfer via MTP or as a USB network device. -- Tixy
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| From | Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-10-13 21:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D7S6R-1gL-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241274 |
Resending with quoting fixed... On Wed, 2021-10-13 at 13:18 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 10/13/2021 12:35 PM, Tixy wrote: > > On Wed, 2021-10-13 at 17:09 +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 08:51:28AM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote: > > > > > > > > On 10/13/21 8:16 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > It appears to me that netinst.iso assumes that there are > > > > > *exactly* two > > > > > choices for internet connectivity: > > > > > an ethernet device > > > > > *OR* > > > > > WiFi > > > > > > > > > > However, I use a USB device [ an Alcatel Linkzone from T- > > > > > Mobile ] > > > > > The installer is unable to see the internet. > > > > > > > > are you using the nonfree firmware ISO? > > > > > > > > I have had no troubles with multiple installs, but I only use > > > > the nonfree > > > > > > > > > > Firmware iso is what I would suggest. > > > > I suspect firmware isn't an issue. The device probably works as CDC > > Ethernet (don't know if installer kernel has the cdc_ether driver), > > but > > sounds like the device initially presents itself as a USB mass > > storage > > device and needs some way to force it to change modes. > > > > I've never heard of "CDC Ethernet" and what I found with a quickie > web > search wasn't very useful. > > What I see when Debian boots does not have any obvious conflict with > what I see. If the Linkzone is already plugged in when boot begins it > appears to be caught in a loop. As soon as the Linkzone is unplugged > the > boot completes as expected. Plug it back back in and I have immediate > internet access. > > Where would I descriptive information about "CDC Ethernet"? > I found bits of discussion about it but nothing educational. > TIA > I don't know anything to be useful, sorry. It's just part of the USB protocols for devices that want to look like ethernet and the Linux kernel has drivers for that. When I plug my Android phone into a PC via USB, I get to select on the phone what it should use USB for. If I select 'USB tethering' then the 'dmesg' output on the PC shows usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_ether rndis_host 2-2:1.0 usb0: register 'rndis_host' at usb-0000:00:14.0-2, RNDIS device, 6a:28:cd:07:4f:f1 usbcore: registered new interface driver rndis_host Then running 'ip link' from a command-line shows I've gained and ethernet device called 'usb0' which I can select in Network Manager if I choose. I suspect your Linkzone device is effectively an Android phone without a screen. But this doesn't help you, because you can't tell your device what USB protocol to select, unless the App for controlling the device that Alcatel's web site mentions lets you do that. There again, if you had an phone to run the app you wouldn't need the Linkzone, you could just use your phone for mobile internet access. Perhaps more relevantly, a previous phone of mine would always show up first as a USB mass storage device, and the contents looked like some Windows software (presumable so a Windows could automatically install something). If I remember correctly. I would have to unmount that before I could connect to it properly for file transfer via MTP or as a USB network device. -- Tixy
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2021-10-14 13:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D87fA-2ex-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241282 |
On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 03:27:02 PM Tixy wrote: > Resending with quoting fixed... I didn't complain, but thank you, that makes it much easier to read / follow!
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| From | Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-10-14 09:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D82SC-7VH-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241274 |
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On Mi, 13 oct 21, 13:18:07, Richard Owlett wrote: > > What I see when Debian boots does not have any obvious conflict with what I > see. If the Linkzone is already plugged in when boot begins it appears to be > caught in a loop. As soon as the Linkzone is unplugged the boot completes as > expected. Plug it back back in and I have immediate internet access. This is to be expected if the device presents itself as a storage device and your computer is configured to try booting from USB first. On the final install the switching between storage and modem mode is done by the usb-modeswitch package. For many devices this is just a simple 'eject' command, others may need something more convoluted. In any case, you might be able to replicate the switch during the install, assuming d-i doesn't already do this. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-10-14 13:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D87fA-2ex-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241288 |
On 10/14/2021 01:54 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Mi, 13 oct 21, 13:18:07, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>
>> What I see when Debian boots does not have any obvious conflict with what I
>> see. If the Linkzone is already plugged in when boot begins it appears to be
>> caught in a loop. As soon as the Linkzone is unplugged the boot completes as
>> expected. Plug it back back in and I have immediate internet access.
>
> This is to be expected if the device presents itself as a storage device
> and your computer is configured to try booting from USB first.
Clarifying observed sequence of states/events:
1. Computer power off.
2. Alcatel Linkzone powered up and connected to cellular network.
3. Independent of whether or not the Linkzone is plugged into the
computer, turning on computer power results in Grub menu appearing.
4. With the Linkzone plugged in, select a Grub menu entry.
5. "reset high-speed usb device number 3 using ehci-pci" is displayed
in an infinite loop until Linkzone is unplugged.
6. Debian then comes up normally.
7. Internet available as soon as Linkzone is connected.
>
> On the final install the switching between storage and modem mode is
> done by the usb-modeswitch package. For many devices this is just a
> simple 'eject' command, others may need something more convoluted.
Does that consistent with what I just described?
>
> In any case, you might be able to replicate the switch during the
> install, assuming d-i doesn't already do this.
How?
*or*
Is there another question to be asked?
>
> Kind regards,
> Andrei
>
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2021-10-14 18:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <D8bVU-52k-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #241294 |
On 2021-10-14, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote: > > Clarifying observed sequence of states/events: > 1. Computer power off. > 2. Alcatel Linkzone powered up and connected to cellular network. I'm under the impression the Linkzone is intended principally to be used as a wifi hotpot. Have you tried connecting to the thing wirelessly rather than tethering your computer to the device via USB? I'm relatively certain this method must violate some constraint enumerated earlier (there always seems to be one), but you can't have everything.
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