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  Then it happened to me... Dan Ritter <dsr-looksjustlikedsrbutisitreally@randomstring.org> - 2021-10-08 19:30 +0200
    Re: Then it happened to me... Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-10-10 09:20 +0200
    Re: Then it happened to me... piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-10-10 09:40 +0200
      Re: Then it happened to me... "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2021-10-10 10:00 +0200
      Re: Then it happened to me... john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2021-10-10 10:20 +0200
      Re: Then it happened to me... Keith Bainbridge <keith.bainbridge.3216@gmail.com> - 2021-10-10 10:30 +0200
        Re: Then it happened to me... Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-10-10 13:40 +0200
      Re: Then it happened to me... Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-10-10 10:30 +0200
        Re: Then it happened to me... piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-10-10 10:50 +0200
          Re: Then it happened to me... Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2021-10-10 11:40 +0200
            Re: Then it happened to me... Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-10-10 18:40 +0200
          Re: Then it happened to me... Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2021-10-10 12:30 +0200
            Re: Then it happened to me... The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-10-10 12:30 +0200
            Re: Then it happened to me... piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-10-10 12:50 +0200
              Re: Then it happened to me... Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-10-10 13:40 +0200
                Re: Then it happened to me... piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-10-10 13:40 +0200
                Re: Then it happened to me... Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-10-11 00:00 +0200
                  Re: Then it happened to me... Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-10-11 10:10 +0200
                    Re: Then it happened to me... Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2021-10-12 01:20 +0200
          Re: Then it happened to me... Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-10-10 13:40 +0200
        Re: Then it happened to me... Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-10-10 11:10 +0200
          Re: Then it happened to me... piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-10-10 11:30 +0200
            Re: Then it happened to me... Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-10-10 12:20 +0200
            Re: Then it happened to me... "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-10-10 18:40 +0200
              Re: Then it happened to me... piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-10-10 19:50 +0200
                Re: Then it happened to me... Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-10-10 20:20 +0200
                  Re: Then it happened to me... piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-10-10 23:20 +0200
                    Re: Then it happened to me... Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2021-10-10 23:30 +0200
                      Re: Then it happened to me... The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-10-10 23:40 +0200
                      Re: Then it happened to me... piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-10-10 23:40 +0200
                        Re: Then it happened to me... Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-10-11 09:50 +0200
                          Re: Then it happened to me... Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-10-11 14:40 +0200
                Re: Then it happened to me... Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org>> - 2021-10-10 21:10 +0200
                  Re: Then it happened to me... Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2021-10-10 21:30 +0200
                  Re: Then it happened to me... Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2021-10-10 21:50 +0200
      Re: Then it happened to me... Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-10-10 13:00 +0200
        Re: Then it happened to me... Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-10-10 14:50 +0200
          Re: Then it happened to me... Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2021-10-10 18:30 +0200
            Re: Then it happened to me... Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-10-11 10:10 +0200
          Re: Then it happened to me... Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-10-11 10:10 +0200
    Re: Then it happened to me... piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-10-10 23:00 +0200
      Re: Then it happened to me... Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-10-11 10:10 +0200
        Re: Then it happened to me... David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-10-12 00:10 +0200
          Re: Then it happened to me... Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-10-12 00:20 +0200
            Re: Then it happened to me... Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2021-10-12 01:10 +0200

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#241031 — Then it happened to me...

It just happened to me.

I think this is actually an attack on debian-user.

Nothing in my mail logs (and, believe me, there's a lot of spam
recorded in there.)

I've just set postfix to drop anything from that host at SMTP
time, but I doubt it's going to work. I think they've found a
cannon to annoy debian-user subscribers with.

-dsr-

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#241066

	Hi.

On Fri, Oct 08, 2021 at 01:10:58PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> It just happened to me.

And it still happens.

Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 06:51:51 +0000 (UTC)
From: debian-user-request@lists.debian.org
To: recoverym4n@enotuniq.net
Subject: You have been removed from the list


> I've just set postfix to drop anything from that host at SMTP
> time, but I doubt it's going to work.

Similar approach did not work for me. I got removed from the list
nevertheless.

Reco

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#241067

On 08/10/2021 18:10, Dan Ritter wrote:
>
> It just happened to me.
>
> I think this is actually an attack on debian-user.
>
> Nothing in my mail logs (and, believe me, there's a lot of spam
> recorded in there.)
>
> I've just set postfix to drop anything from that host at SMTP
> time, but I doubt it's going to work. I think they've found a
> cannon to annoy debian-user subscribers with.
>
> -dsr-
>
Why we don't have this?
https://forum.manjaro.org/

We still use e-mail list, prone to spam and abuse, technology from 30
years ago?
Isn't it time to switch to online forums? It's not that Debian haven't
got the money, right?

--
With kindest regards, Piotr.

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#241068

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On 10.10.2021 12:33, piorunz wrote:
> On 08/10/2021 18:10, Dan Ritter wrote:
>>
>> It just happened to me.
>>
>> I think this is actually an attack on debian-user.
>>
>> Nothing in my mail logs (and, believe me, there's a lot of spam
>> recorded in there.)
>>
>> I've just set postfix to drop anything from that host at SMTP
>> time, but I doubt it's going to work. I think they've found a
>> cannon to annoy debian-user subscribers with.
>>
>> -dsr-
>>
> Why we don't have this?
> https://forum.manjaro.org/
>
> We still use e-mail list, prone to spam and abuse, technology from 30
> years ago?
> Isn't it time to switch to online forums? It's not that Debian haven't
> got the money, right?
I don't think forums are better or superior in any aspect. They are just 
a different way of communication.
Forums require much more effort in terms of maintenance, security and 
prone to spam and abuse too.
If forums are your thing, go ahead: https://forums.debian.net/

-- 
With kindest regards, Alexander.

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#241069

On 10/10/2021 9:33 AM, piorunz wrote:
> On 08/10/2021 18:10, Dan Ritter wrote:
>>
>> It just happened to me.
>>
>> I think this is actually an attack on debian-user.
>>
>> Nothing in my mail logs (and, believe me, there's a lot of spam
>> recorded in there.)
>>
>> I've just set postfix to drop anything from that host at SMTP
>> time, but I doubt it's going to work. I think they've found a
>> cannon to annoy debian-user subscribers with.
>>
>> -dsr-
>>
> Why we don't have this?
> https://forum.manjaro.org/
>
> We still use e-mail list, prone to spam and abuse, technology from 30
> years ago?
> Isn't it time to switch to online forums? It's not that Debian haven't
> got the money, right?
>

Mony is not evrything, it is true that some forums let you reply to a
post via e-mail but forums will never be as flexible and/or accessible
than e-mails.

Sometime what is old is not a bad idea.

--
John Doe

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#241070

On 10/10/21 18:33, piorunz wrote:
>>
> Why we don't have this?
> https://forum.manjaro.org/

Good afternoon All

Last time this question was asked, I said I wouldn't use it.

I've changed my mind. If a forum or similar is set up, I'll keep it open 
and somehow remember to look in regularly.
-- 
All the best

Keith Bainbridge

ke1thozgroups@mail.com

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On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:05:55 +1100
Keith Bainbridge <keith.bainbridge.3216@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Keith,

>.....remember to look in regularly.

And therein lies one of the main problems.   :-(

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On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 08:33:03 +0100
piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> wrote:

Hello piorunz,

>Isn't it time to switch to online forums? 

No.  'Newer' = 'better' is a false equivalency.

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         / )      "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent"
        / _)rad   "Is it only me that has a working delete key?"
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#241072

On 10/10/2021 08:48, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 08:33:03 +0100
> piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> wrote:
>
> Hello piorunz,
>
>> Isn't it time to switch to online forums?
>
> No.  'Newer' = 'better' is a false equivalency.

First online forums were created, in fact, in 70s. Is that new to you?
Also, forums don't suffer "you have been unsubscribed" problem. If they
are not better, according to you, can you explain why not?

--
With kindest regards, Piotr.

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⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org
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#241076

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On Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2021 05:47:14 -03 piorunz wrote:
> On 10/10/2021 08:48, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 08:33:03 +0100
> > piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hello piorunz,
> > 
> >> Isn't it time to switch to online forums?
> > 
> > No.  'Newer' = 'better' is a false equivalency.
> 
> First online forums were created, in fact, in 70s. Is that new to you?
> Also, forums don't suffer "you have been unsubscribed" problem. If
> they are not better, according to you, can you explain why not?
> 
> --
> With kindest regards, Piotr.
> 
> ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
> ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
> ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org
> ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀
Hi Piotr,
from a user perspective:
Fora are only good for people with just one single interest. For people with multiple 
interests having to be subscribed to multiple fora is a hassle and getting to know all the 
different ways they work is a nightmare.
To save myself time I mostly take advantage of letting fora of interest send articles as 
email. If they allow posting via email I appreciate that. So what's the advantage of a 
forum? I mean: for me?
Usenet anybody? Just one newsreader to rule them all, killfile etc ...

regards
Eike ZP6CGE

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#241108

On Sunday, 10 Oct 2021 at 06:37, Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE wrote:
> Usenet anybody? Just one newsreader to rule them all, killfile etc ...

+1

I hate all those different fora.  End up not engaging; too much
friction, too little time.  Same applies to re-invented technologies
such as slack etc.

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.60 & org 9.5 on Debian 11.0

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#241080

On 10/10/21 4:47 pm, piorunz wrote:
> On 10/10/2021 08:48, Brad Rogers wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 08:33:03 +0100
>> piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello piorunz,
>>
>>> Isn't it time to switch to online forums?
>>
>> No.  'Newer' = 'better' is a false equivalency.
> 
> First online forums were created, in fact, in 70s. Is that new to you?

Interesting, given that The Internet did not exist in the 1970's...

-- 
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

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On 2021-10-10 at 06:21, Bret Busby wrote:

> On 10/10/21 4:47 pm, piorunz wrote:
> 
>> On 10/10/2021 08:48, Brad Rogers wrote:

>>> No.  'Newer' = 'better' is a false equivalency.
>> 
>> First online forums were created, in fact, in 70s. Is that new to
>> you?
> 
> Interesting, given that The Internet did not exist in the 1970's...

I'd guess that he(?) is referring to BBSes; while they were before my
time, I understand them to have largely been dial-up posting fora, and I
can see the analogy to online forums as they have existed in the era of
the Internet.

That said, I could also see an argument that they're more similar to
mailing lists than you might think, and even *more* similar to Usenet.

(FAOD: I concur with those who think that Web-based fora are inferior to
mailing lists for this type of discussion, and that this type of issue
is more likely to be a transitory hiccup than a serious reason to
consider abandoning mailing-list technology for the less-capable new
hotness of a Web forum.)


(This is the first message I've posted here since the problem began
manifesting, and only the second this month. I will be interested to see
whether, and if so at what point, the problem manifests for me as well.)

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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#241082

On 10/10/2021 11:21, Bret Busby wrote:

>> First online forums were created, in fact, in 70s. Is that new to you?
>
> Interesting, given that The Internet did not exist in the 1970's...
>
I took it from Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum

"Some of the first forum systems were the Planet-Forum system, developed
at the beginning of the 1970s, the EIES system, first operational in
1976, and the KOM system, first operational in 1977."

Very interesting. Certainly before I was born!

--
With kindest regards, Piotr.

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On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 11:41:07 +0100
piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> wrote:

Hello piorunz,

>I took it from Wikipedia:

Taking stuff from a single wikipedia article without context or relevant
research is rarely a good idea.

Furthermore, never for get that, at any given moment, what you read on
wikipedia may be wrong - despite their best efforts to avoid it.

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#241088

On 10/10/2021 12:28, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 11:41:07 +0100
> piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> wrote:
>
> Hello piorunz,
>
>> I took it from Wikipedia:
>
> Taking stuff from a single wikipedia article without context or relevant
> research is rarely a good idea.

This is not life & death research topic. I just learned some stuff about
early forums and BBs for my own leisure. And yes I know Wikipedia can
lie. After all it's written by humans.

> Furthermore, never for get that, at any given moment, what you read on
> wikipedia may be wrong - despite their best efforts to avoid it.
>

I actually registered on https://www.delphiforums.com/ just now. One of
the first online forums ever, and still going strong!

--
With kindest regards, Piotr.

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On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 6:30 AM Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 11:41:07 +0100
> piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> wrote:
>
> Hello piorunz,
>
> >I took it from Wikipedia:
>
> Taking stuff from a single wikipedia article without context or relevant
> research is rarely a good idea.
>

Ugg. You're going to make me do the Old Geezer shtick again:

I was using online fora on the U of Illinois' Plato system in 1977. But
that was the =2nd= generation of them. They connected with Plato systems
across the country, the whole hemisphere. IIRC long distance was SDLC which
IBM also used for long distance transport. Plato hardware was Control Data.

But I was IRC-like chatting in real-time with nerds in Germany using IBM
mainframes in 1982.
:-D BEFORE IBM gave you the arch to rule them all and in the darkness bind
you :-D

Ok, Intel helped......



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>         / _)rad   "Is it only me that has a working delete key?"
> Everything in life should be free, except the bits that belong to me
> Selfish Rubbish - Public Image Ltd
>

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#241151

On Sunday, 10 Oct 2021 at 16:53, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> I was using online fora on the U of Illinois' Plato system in 1977. 

Blast from that past that!  I remember playing with the air flight
simulator with people connected across the continent.

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.60 & org 9.5 on Debian 11.0

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On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 2:54 AM Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:

> On Sunday, 10 Oct 2021 at 16:53, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> > I was using online fora on the U of Illinois' Plato system in 1977.
>
> Blast from that past that!  I remember playing with the air flight
> simulator with people connected across the continent.
>

I tell folks this, they don't believe me:
I was playing online real-time remote multi-player 3D air combat games
before the Apple II was released. They just stare at me :-)
And I did write a little in the Tutor programming language used on Plato.

And I see you're an emacs user Mr Fraga.....
:-D

Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.60 & org 9.5 on Debian 11.0
>
>

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On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 09:47:14 +0100
piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> wrote:

Hello piorunz,

Always remember that the Debian MLs continue to exist because they get
used.  In any case, Debian forums exist, as has been pointed out.  They
seem to be busier than I suspected, too.

>First online forums were created, in fact, in 70s

As Bret says, the 'net didn't exist then.  Sure, Darpanet was around,
but that has little resemblance to the modern internet.  Admittedly, the
'net owes its very existence to Darpa.  The forums at that time bear
almost no relation to what we're saddled with nowadays, which are built
on the world wide web.  And that was not invented by Tim Berners-Lee
until 1989.

> according to you, can you explain why not?

What Eike and Keith have said.

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        / _)rad   "Is it only me that has a working delete key?"
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