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  Problem installing Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 18:10 +0200
    Re: Problem installing <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-28 18:20 +0200
      Re: Problem installing Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 18:50 +0200
        Re: Problem installing tomas@tuxteam.de - 2021-09-28 20:00 +0200
          Re: Problem installing Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 20:20 +0200
            Re: Problem installing tomas@tuxteam.de - 2021-09-28 20:50 +0200
              Re: Problem installing Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 05:40 +0200
                Re: Problem installing Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-29 10:40 +0200
                  Re: Problem installing Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 18:40 +0200
                    Re: Problem installing Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-29 19:30 +0200
                  Re: Problem installing Keith Bainbridge <keith.bainbridge.3216@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 22:20 +0200
                Re: Problem installing piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-29 13:50 +0200
                  Re: Problem installing Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 18:50 +0200
                    Re: Problem installing piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-29 19:30 +0200
                      Re: Problem installing Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 19:40 +0200
                        Re: Problem installing piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-29 22:20 +0200
        Re: Problem installing Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-09-29 04:30 +0200
          Re: Problem installing Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 05:40 +0200
            Re: Problem installing Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-09-29 13:30 +0200
              Re: Problem installing Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 18:50 +0200
                Re: Problem installing Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-09-29 19:20 +0200
                  Re: Problem installing Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-29 19:40 +0200
                    Re: Problem installing Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 19:50 +0200
                      Re: Problem installing Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-29 20:10 +0200
                        Re: Problem installing Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 20:40 +0200
                          Re: Problem installing Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-29 20:50 +0200
                          Re: Problem installing Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-09-29 21:10 +0200
                        Re: Problem installing Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-09-30 03:40 +0200
                          Re: Problem installing Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 07:30 +0200
                          Re: Problem installing Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-30 17:00 +0200
                            Re: Problem installing (Cont) Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 17:50 +0200
                              Re: Problem installing (Cont) "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-09-30 18:00 +0200
                                Re: Problem installing (Cont) Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-09-30 18:10 +0200
                          Re: Problem installing Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 10:00 +0200
                            Re: Problem installing Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-10-03 02:50 +0200
                              Re: Problem installing Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-10-03 03:00 +0200
                                Re: Problem installing Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-10-03 03:50 +0200
                                  Re: Problem installing Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 04:20 +0200
                                    Re: Problem installing Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 09:10 +0200
                              Re: Problem installing Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 14:00 +0200
                  Re: Problem installing Igor Korot <ikorot01@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 19:40 +0200
          Re: Problem installing Keith Bainbridge <keith.bainbridge.3216@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 22:10 +0200

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#240568

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 11:39:59AM -0500, Igor Korot wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 6:28 AM Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> wrote:
> > > This is installing Debian/Sid on a VM.
> >
> > Yeah, that would do it.
> >
> > https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBookworm
> >
> > Whoever wrote whichever script is producing that error, needs to change
> > that script to use a different program than tempfile(1).  Which is no
> > longer available after bullseye.
> 
> So what do I do?

File a bug report, ideally.  You're using unstable, so you should be
intimately familiar with how to determine which package is responsible,
and how to file a useful bug report against it.

If you are NOT intimately familiar with this, you've got no business
running unstable.

> Should I continue the install and configure the repository afterwards?
> 
> If yes - how?

You would have to fix the bug yourself.  That's beyond the expectations
of most unstable users, but if you can do it, great.  Include your patch
in your bug report.  That will help the maintainer.

> As said - I'm new to Debian...

Then why on EARTH are you trying to run unstable?

Install stable.  Run that, if you can.  If you MUST upgrade to a newer
branch, then read up on how Debian's release cycle works, read up on
how the bug tracking system works, do some basic research on known issues
in the current testing and/or unstable branches, and proceed with caution
upon upgrading.

Direct installation of unstable is NEVER a supported operation.  If it
happens to work in any given month, wonderful.  As it turns out, it does
not work right now.  So stop trying to do it.

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#240571

On Wed 29 Sep 2021 at 13:18:47 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 11:39:59AM -0500, Igor Korot wrote:

[...]
 
> > Should I continue the install and configure the repository afterwards?
> > 
> > If yes - how?
> 
> You would have to fix the bug yourself.  That's beyond the expectations
> of most unstable users, but if you can do it, great.  Include your patch
> in your bug report.  That will help the maintainer.

The repository *has* to be avilable at that stage of installation with
the mini.iso. *All* other packages are obtained over the net afterwards.

-- 
Brian.

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#240575

HI, Brian,

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 12:37 PM Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
>
> On Wed 29 Sep 2021 at 13:18:47 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 11:39:59AM -0500, Igor Korot wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > Should I continue the install and configure the repository afterwards?
> > >
> > > If yes - how?
> >
> > You would have to fix the bug yourself.  That's beyond the expectations
> > of most unstable users, but if you can do it, great.  Include your patch
> > in your bug report.  That will help the maintainer.
>
> The repository *has* to be avilable at that stage of installation with
> the mini.iso. *All* other packages are obtained over the net afterwards.

Are you saying that mini.iso does not contain a proper repository
and that's why it fails?

Thank you.

>
> --
> Brian.
>

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#240576

On Wed 29 Sep 2021 at 12:47:35 -0500, Igor Korot wrote:

> HI, Brian,
> 
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 12:37 PM Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed 29 Sep 2021 at 13:18:47 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 11:39:59AM -0500, Igor Korot wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > > Should I continue the install and configure the repository afterwards?
> > > >
> > > > If yes - how?
> > >
> > > You would have to fix the bug yourself.  That's beyond the expectations
> > > of most unstable users, but if you can do it, great.  Include your patch
> > > in your bug report.  That will help the maintainer.
> >
> > The repository *has* to be avilable at that stage of installation with
> > the mini.iso. *All* other packages are obtained over the net afterwards.
> 
> Are you saying that mini.iso does not contain a proper repository

The mini.iso contains the bare minimum to start d-i and connect to a
network to obtain everything else.

> and that's why it fails?

No archive to communicate with - no installation with the moni.iso.

-- 
Brian.

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#240577

Hi, Brian,

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 1:03 PM Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
>
> On Wed 29 Sep 2021 at 12:47:35 -0500, Igor Korot wrote:
>
> > HI, Brian,
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 12:37 PM Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed 29 Sep 2021 at 13:18:47 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 11:39:59AM -0500, Igor Korot wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > > Should I continue the install and configure the repository afterwards?
> > > > >
> > > > > If yes - how?
> > > >
> > > > You would have to fix the bug yourself.  That's beyond the expectations
> > > > of most unstable users, but if you can do it, great.  Include your patch
> > > > in your bug report.  That will help the maintainer.
> > >
> > > The repository *has* to be avilable at that stage of installation with
> > > the mini.iso. *All* other packages are obtained over the net afterwards.
> >
> > Are you saying that mini.iso does not contain a proper repository
>
> The mini.iso contains the bare minimum to start d-i and connect to a
> network to obtain everything else.
>
> > and that's why it fails?
>
> No archive to communicate with - no installation with the moni.iso.

But then it should just connect to the web and download the repository.
Am I missing something?

Because I don't need a full-blown system - I need a bare minimum...

Thank you.

>
> --
> Brian.
>

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#240578

On Wed 29 Sep 2021 at 13:31:25 -0500, Igor Korot wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 1:03 PM Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

[...]

> > The mini.iso contains the bare minimum to start d-i and connect to a
> > network to obtain everything else.
> >
> > > and that's why it fails?
> >
> > No archive to communicate with - no installation with the moni.iso.
> 
> But then it should just connect to the web and download the repository.
> Am I missing something?

The mini.iso should connect to a known, secure Debian archive. The
"web" is a fuzzy concept.
> 
> Because I don't need a full-blown system - I need a bare minimum..

The netinst ISO can give the bare minimum.

Have you tried a Daily mini.iso yet? 10 minutes of your time.

-- 
Brian.

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#240580

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 01:31:25PM -0500, Igor Korot wrote:
> But then it should just connect to the web and download the repository.
> Am I missing something?
> 
> Because I don't need a full-blown system - I need a bare minimum...

The normal way one does this is:

1) Download the "netinst" installer image, or the "netinst with non-free
   firmware" installer image if you plan to use Wifi or X or Wayland.

2) Burn the image to a CD, a DVD, or a USB stick.

3) Boot the installer.  Install Debian stable.  Select "Standard", which
   will have the basic operating system but no GUI stuff.

4) Reboot into Debian.  Make sure everything works.

5) Upgrade to testing or unstable if required for your particular task.

6) Install a GUI if you want one.  Install whatever else you want.

I've been using Debian for a few decades now and I've *never* installed
testing or unstable directly, and I've never used a file named "mini.iso"
either.

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#240608

On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 19:02:56 +0100
Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

> > Are you saying that mini.iso does not contain a proper repository  
> 
> The mini.iso contains the bare minimum to start d-i and connect to a
> network to obtain everything else.

Correct as far as it goes....

> 
> > and that's why it fails?  
> 
> No archive to communicate with - no installation with the moni.iso.

Not entirely. With no networking, the mini installer will make a bare
minimum installation from its build-in micro-repository. All packages
will be as of the date of the CD, of course.

If that bare minimum gives you enough to reboot and set up the network,
you can go from there, manually installing whatever else you wish.

If that bare minimum doesn't give you enough, you have some finagling
to do.

If you need firmware to reboot, install with the "unofficial" mini
which includes firmware.

-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/

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#240621

Hi, guys,
I am downloading a stable release for amd64 from
https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd,
and will follow with changing it to Sid.

I hope everything will work out fine.

Thank you.

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 8:34 PM Charles Curley
<charlescurley@charlescurley.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 19:02:56 +0100
> Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > Are you saying that mini.iso does not contain a proper repository
> >
> > The mini.iso contains the bare minimum to start d-i and connect to a
> > network to obtain everything else.
>
> Correct as far as it goes....
>
> >
> > > and that's why it fails?
> >
> > No archive to communicate with - no installation with the moni.iso.
>
> Not entirely. With no networking, the mini installer will make a bare
> minimum installation from its build-in micro-repository. All packages
> will be as of the date of the CD, of course.
>
> If that bare minimum gives you enough to reboot and set up the network,
> you can go from there, manually installing whatever else you wish.
>
> If that bare minimum doesn't give you enough, you have some finagling
> to do.
>
> If you need firmware to reboot, install with the "unofficial" mini
> which includes firmware.
>
> --
> Does anybody read signatures any more?
>
> https://charlescurley.com
> https://charlescurley.com/blog/
>

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#240651

On Wed 29 Sep 2021 at 19:12:16 -0600, Charles Curley wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 19:02:56 +0100
> Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > > Are you saying that mini.iso does not contain a proper repository  
> > 
> > The mini.iso contains the bare minimum to start d-i and connect to a
> > network to obtain everything else.
> 
> Correct as far as it goes....

Thank goodnrss for that :).
> 
> > 
> > > and that's why it fails?  
> > 
> > No archive to communicate with - no installation with the moni.iso.
> 
> Not entirely. With no networking, the mini installer will make a bare
> minimum installation from its build-in micro-repository. All packages
> will be as of the date of the CD, of course.

There isn't any build-in micro-repository. Language, keyboard and
network are the only things dome by the stripped down installer
before connectting to a mirror.

Note that the OP did not have a network issue:

 > The installation media do not seem to contain a valid
 > Release file,...

There isn't any point in attempting to continue. The installer cannot
download the rest of itself (to do partitioning) or the base system.

> If that bare minimum gives you enough to reboot and set up the network,
> you can go from there, manually installing whatever else you wish.

That is not the case.

> If that bare minimum doesn't give you enough, you have some finagling
> to do.
> 
> If you need firmware to reboot, install with the "unofficial" mini
> which includes firmware.

There's an unofficial mini.iso? Link?

-- 
Brian.

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#240656 — Re: Problem installing (Cont)

Hi, ALL,
As said I downloaded and successfully installed the full blown Debian
latest stable.

I then edit the repository file to point it to the Sid.

Then I successfully fetched the new (Sid) repository.

However, trying to run an update I hit a problem.

The command fetched the packages successfully, but the next step: is
stuck at 37%.

I will check tonight if it will continue.

Thank you.


On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 9:52 AM Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
>
> On Wed 29 Sep 2021 at 19:12:16 -0600, Charles Curley wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 19:02:56 +0100
> > Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > > Are you saying that mini.iso does not contain a proper repository
> > >
> > > The mini.iso contains the bare minimum to start d-i and connect to a
> > > network to obtain everything else.
> >
> > Correct as far as it goes....
>
> Thank goodnrss for that :).
> >
> > >
> > > > and that's why it fails?
> > >
> > > No archive to communicate with - no installation with the moni.iso.
> >
> > Not entirely. With no networking, the mini installer will make a bare
> > minimum installation from its build-in micro-repository. All packages
> > will be as of the date of the CD, of course.
>
> There isn't any build-in micro-repository. Language, keyboard and
> network are the only things dome by the stripped down installer
> before connectting to a mirror.
>
> Note that the OP did not have a network issue:
>
>  > The installation media do not seem to contain a valid
>  > Release file,...
>
> There isn't any point in attempting to continue. The installer cannot
> download the rest of itself (to do partitioning) or the base system.
>
> > If that bare minimum gives you enough to reboot and set up the network,
> > you can go from there, manually installing whatever else you wish.
>
> That is not the case.
>
> > If that bare minimum doesn't give you enough, you have some finagling
> > to do.
> >
> > If you need firmware to reboot, install with the "unofficial" mini
> > which includes firmware.
>
> There's an unofficial mini.iso? Link?
>
> --
> Brian.
>

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#240658 — Re: Problem installing (Cont)

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 10:43:33AM -0500, Igor Korot wrote:
> Hi, ALL,
> As said I downloaded and successfully installed the full blown Debian
> latest stable.

Have you missed a step - you have gone direct from stable -> unstable [Sid]

Please don't do that: the instructions you had were meant to give
you an easier route to do this. 

Initial small stable == minimal number of  packages as a basis to work from.

Upgrade to testing [will eventually be Debian 12 - codename bookworm
== kernel and libraries update to a probably working testing.

Upgrade to unstable == sid == never released, continuously in development
== upgrade of minimal numbers of packages, then install the rest (and be
prepared to help debug breakages)


> 
> I then edit the repository file to point it to the Sid.
> 
> Then I successfully fetched the new (Sid) repository.
> 
> However, trying to run an update I hit a problem.
> 
> The command fetched the packages successfully, but the next step: is
> stuck at 37%.
> 

You may have hit a situation where the upgrade path isn't successful.
Maybe repeat the install of stable and try again?

> I will check tonight if it will continue.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
Please come back to the list to tell us how it went.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

> 
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 9:52 AM Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed 29 Sep 2021 at 19:12:16 -0600, Charles Curley wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 19:02:56 +0100
> > > Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Are you saying that mini.iso does not contain a proper repository
> > > >
> > > > The mini.iso contains the bare minimum to start d-i and connect to a
> > > > network to obtain everything else.
> > >
> > > Correct as far as it goes....
> >
> > Thank goodnrss for that :).
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > and that's why it fails?
> > > >
> > > > No archive to communicate with - no installation with the moni.iso.
> > >
> > > Not entirely. With no networking, the mini installer will make a bare
> > > minimum installation from its build-in micro-repository. All packages
> > > will be as of the date of the CD, of course.
> >
> > There isn't any build-in micro-repository. Language, keyboard and
> > network are the only things dome by the stripped down installer
> > before connectting to a mirror.
> >
> > Note that the OP did not have a network issue:
> >
> >  > The installation media do not seem to contain a valid
> >  > Release file,...
> >
> > There isn't any point in attempting to continue. The installer cannot
> > download the rest of itself (to do partitioning) or the base system.
> >
> > > If that bare minimum gives you enough to reboot and set up the network,
> > > you can go from there, manually installing whatever else you wish.
> >
> > That is not the case.
> >
> > > If that bare minimum doesn't give you enough, you have some finagling
> > > to do.
> > >
> > > If you need firmware to reboot, install with the "unofficial" mini
> > > which includes firmware.
> >
> > There's an unofficial mini.iso? Link?
> >
> > --
> > Brian.
> >
> 

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#240659 — Re: Problem installing (Cont)

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 03:54:02PM +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> Have you missed a step - you have gone direct from stable -> unstable [Sid]
> 
> Please don't do that: the instructions you had were meant to give
> you an easier route to do this. 

I think this is the first time I've ever seen that advice.

Traditionally, going directly from stable to unstable has always been
a "supported" path, insofar as unstable has any kind of support at all.
(All support for unstable is of course unofficial and provided on a
volunteer basis.)

> Initial small stable == minimal number of  packages as a basis to work from.
> 
> Upgrade to testing [will eventually be Debian 12 - codename bookworm
> == kernel and libraries update to a probably working testing.
> 
> Upgrade to unstable == sid == never released, continuously in development
> == upgrade of minimal numbers of packages, then install the rest (and be
> prepared to help debug breakages)

That's fine too.  The jump from testing to unstable should be pretty
small.

> > The command fetched the packages successfully, but the next step: is
> > stuck at 37%.
> 
> You may have hit a situation where the upgrade path isn't successful.
> Maybe repeat the install of stable and try again?

Sounds more like a network glitch to me.  Either the mirror stopped
responding for some reason, or the ISP's routers decided to take a
restroom break, or the (wireless?) interface on the local Debian system
has decided to take up a career as a paperweight.

Reinstalling stable is not what I'd suggest here.  "Wait a minute and
try again" would be a good first step.

"See if you can reach other things on the Internet" would rule out some
of the possible reasons.

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#240781

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On Mi, 29 sep 21, 19:12:16, Charles Curley wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 19:02:56 +0100
> Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > > Are you saying that mini.iso does not contain a proper repository  
> > 
> > The mini.iso contains the bare minimum to start d-i and connect to a
> > network to obtain everything else.
> 
> Correct as far as it goes....
> 
> > 
> > > and that's why it fails?  
> > 
> > No archive to communicate with - no installation with the moni.iso.
> 
> Not entirely. With no networking, the mini installer will make a bare
> minimum installation from its build-in micro-repository. All packages
> will be as of the date of the CD, of course.

The mini.iso doesn't even contain the whole installer, it must download 
more components via the internet. It definitely doesn't contain any debs 
(as opposed to other small-isch images like the netinst).

It's primary use case is for PXE installations, but because it so small 
it has other unique properties that no other images has.
 
Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#240825

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On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 10:54:41 +0300
Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Not entirely. With no networking, the mini installer will make a
> > bare minimum installation from its build-in micro-repository. All
> > packages will be as of the date of the CD, of course.  
> 
> The mini.iso doesn't even contain the whole installer, it must
> download more components via the internet. It definitely doesn't
> contain any debs (as opposed to other small-isch images like the
> netinst).

Ah, perhaps a bit of terminology confusion? mini != netinst?
I was referring to the netinst iso. The Getting Debian page does not
mention any mini iso. https://www.debian.org/distrib/

Am I missing something here? Where, if it exists, is the mini iso
documented?

-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/

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#240826

On Sat, Oct 02, 2021 at 05:57:46PM -0600, Charles Curley wrote:
> Ah, perhaps a bit of terminology confusion? mini != netinst?
> I was referring to the netinst iso. The Getting Debian page does not
> mention any mini iso. https://www.debian.org/distrib/
> 
> Am I missing something here? Where, if it exists, is the mini iso
> documented?

The first place I found it mentioned is here:

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#Installation

It's the LAST option listed in this section.  I've never used it before
in my entire life.  I've never seen it suggested before.  I wouldn't even
be able to tell you what's on it, or how to use it.

And yet, I refer you to Bashphorism #6:

  When given a choice of solutions, the newbie will always choose the
  wrong one.

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On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 20:54:15 -0400
Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> wrote:

> The first place I found it mentioned is here:
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#Installation
> 
> It's the LAST option listed in this section.  I've never used it
> before in my entire life.  I've never seen it suggested before.  I
> wouldn't even be able to tell you what's on it, or how to use it.

Since I don't install Sid, I would never have run across that. Sigh.

> 
> And yet, I refer you to Bashphorism #6:
> 
>   When given a choice of solutions, the newbie will always choose the
>   wrong one.
> 

Add something about old hands occasionally doing the same. You are
hardly a newbie, and I've been using Linux since 1995 or thereabouts.

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#240829

Hi, guys,

On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 8:44 PM Charles Curley
<charlescurley@charlescurley.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 20:54:15 -0400
> Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> wrote:
>
> > The first place I found it mentioned is here:
> >
> > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#Installation
> >
> > It's the LAST option listed in this section.  I've never used it
> > before in my entire life.  I've never seen it suggested before.  I
> > wouldn't even be able to tell you what's on it, or how to use it.

Based on the explanation on the page referenced, I would guess that it
is a bare minimum installer to have the basic OS running

>
> Since I don't install Sid, I would never have run across that. Sigh.
>
> >
> > And yet, I refer you to Bashphorism #6:
> >
> >   When given a choice of solutions, the newbie will always choose the
> >   wrong one.

It not the wrong one.
It just an easiest and fastest way to install Sid

I think whoever made the decision to provide this mini.iso
is an amazing guy.
However, it needs to be documented better in regards to the
"SID" install.

Thank you.

> >
>
> Add something about old hands occasionally doing the same. You are
> hardly a newbie, and I've been using Linux since 1995 or thereabouts.
>
> --
> Does anybody read signatures any more?
>
> https://charlescurley.com
> https://charlescurley.com/blog/
>

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On Sb, 02 oct 21, 21:12:53, Igor Korot wrote:
> 
> I think whoever made the decision to provide this mini.iso
> is an amazing guy.

As far as I recall that would Debian legend Joey Hess.

> However, it needs to be documented better in regards to the
> "SID" install.

It's a wiki, please do feel free to improve it as you find solutions. 

Have you tried the daily image yet? Specifically for your particular 
use-case (installing sid) it should be better suited.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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On Sb, 02 oct 21, 17:57:46, Charles Curley wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 10:54:41 +0300
> Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > > Not entirely. With no networking, the mini installer will make a
> > > bare minimum installation from its build-in micro-repository. All
> > > packages will be as of the date of the CD, of course.  
> > 
> > The mini.iso doesn't even contain the whole installer, it must
> > download more components via the internet. It definitely doesn't
> > contain any debs (as opposed to other small-isch images like the
> > netinst).
> 
> Ah, perhaps a bit of terminology confusion? mini != netinst?
> I was referring to the netinst iso. The Getting Debian page does not
> mention any mini iso. https://www.debian.org/distrib/

It's on the Debian Installer pages, specifically under "other images 
(netboot, USB stick, etc.)":

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/

(substitute 'stable' with the code name to download installers for 
specific releases)

This is the official page for the development (testing) version of the 
Debian Installer. For installing unstable/sid the daily images are 
probably better than a 'stable' image.

https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
 
> Am I missing something here? Where, if it exists, is the mini iso
> documented?

Bits and pieces are scattered in various places, including blog posts of 
the Developers.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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