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  What happened to cal? "Paul M. Foster" <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2021-09-26 07:50 +0200
    Re: What happened to cal? Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-09-26 07:50 +0200
      Re: What happened to cal? Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-09-26 08:00 +0200
    Re: What happened to cal? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-09-26 09:00 +0200
      Re: What happened to cal? "Paul M. Foster" <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2021-09-26 19:20 +0200
    Re: What happened to cal? Charlie <taoquester@gmail.com> - 2021-09-26 10:00 +0200
      Re: What happened to cal? Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2021-09-26 12:10 +0200
    Re: What happened to cal? Dedeco Balaco <dedeco.balaco@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-26 14:20 +0200
      Re: What happened to cal? Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-09-26 14:50 +0200
      Re: What happened to cal? Roger Price <debian@rogerprice.org> - 2021-09-26 14:50 +0200
        Re: What happened to cal? Roger Price <debian@rogerprice.org> - 2021-09-26 18:10 +0200
    Re: What happened to cal? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-09-26 14:40 +0200
      Re: What happened to cal? "Paul M. Foster" <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2021-09-26 19:10 +0200
        Re: What happened to cal? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-09-26 19:20 +0200
          Re: What happened to cal? "Paul M. Foster" <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2021-09-27 04:40 +0200
            Re: What happened to cal? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-09-27 04:50 +0200
        Re: What happened to cal? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-09-26 20:10 +0200
    Re: What happened to cal? Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-09-27 10:00 +0200
      Re: What happened to cal? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-09-27 13:20 +0200
        Re: What happened to cal? Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-09-27 17:00 +0200
      Re: What happened to cal? "Paul M. Foster" <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2021-09-27 13:50 +0200

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#240374 — What happened to cal?

Folks:

I'm wondering if I'm mis-remembering here. As I recall, there used to be 
a command called "cal" which would simply print this month's calendar to 
the screen. It would do other calendars, depending on command line 
parameters. Now that I've moved to bullseye, I don't see the command nor 
a package containing it. There is a command "gcal" which appears to do 
the same thing.

Am I missing something? Was there a separate package called "cal" which 
was automatically installed in earlier versions of Debian? Or was there 
an automatic alias to the gcal program?

Paul

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On 26/9/21 1:24 pm, Paul M. Foster wrote:
> Folks:
>
> I'm wondering if I'm mis-remembering here. As I recall, there used to 
> be a command called "cal" which would simply print this month's 
> calendar to the screen. It would do other calendars, depending on 
> command line parameters. Now that I've moved to bullseye, I don't see 
> the command nor a package containing it. There is a command "gcal" 
> which appears to do the same thing.
>
> Am I missing something? Was there a separate package called "cal" 
> which was automatically installed in earlier versions of Debian? Or 
> was there an automatic alias to the gcal program?
>
> Paul
>
>

I'm on buster and cal is stil there.

-- 
Jeremy

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On 26/9/21 1:46 pm, Jeremy Ardley wrote:
>
> On 26/9/21 1:24 pm, Paul M. Foster wrote:
>> Folks:
>>
>> I'm wondering if I'm mis-remembering here. As I recall, there used to 
>> be a command called "cal" which would simply print this month's 
>> calendar to the screen. It would do other calendars, depending on 
>> command line parameters. Now that I've moved to bullseye, I don't see 
>> the command nor a package containing it. There is a command "gcal" 
>> which appears to do the same thing.
>>
>> Am I missing something? Was there a separate package called "cal" 
>> which was automatically installed in earlier versions of Debian? Or 
>> was there an automatic alias to the gcal program?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>
> I'm on buster and cal is stil there.
>
it's a link to ncal

ls -l /usr/bin/cal
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 May  4  2018 /usr/bin/cal -> ncal

-- 
Jeremy

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#240377

Hi,

Jeremy Ardley wrote:
> As I recall, there used to be a
> command called "cal" which would simply print this month's calendar to the
> screen. [...]
> Now that I've moved to bullseye, I don't see the command nor
> a package containing it.

It is in the package ncal which obviously was newly introduced as binary
package of source package bsdmainutils
  https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/amd64/ncal/filelist
  https://packages.debian.org/source/bullseye/bsdmainutils

In buster there was only one binary package derived from that source:
  https://packages.debian.org/source/buster/bsdmainutils
  https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/bsdmainutils/filelist


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#240419

On 9/26/21 2:57 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Jeremy Ardley wrote:
>> As I recall, there used to be a
>> command called "cal" which would simply print this month's calendar to the
>> screen. [...]
>> Now that I've moved to bullseye, I don't see the command nor
>> a package containing it.
> It is in the package ncal which obviously was newly introduced as binary
> package of source package bsdmainutils
>    https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/amd64/ncal/filelist
>    https://packages.debian.org/source/bullseye/bsdmainutils
>
> In buster there was only one binary package derived from that source:
>    https://packages.debian.org/source/buster/bsdmainutils
>    https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/bsdmainutils/filelist
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>
Excellent. Thanks for the info. That answers the question.

Paul

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#240381

	On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 01:24:59 -0400 Paul Informed me about What
	happened to cal?

> Folks:
> 
> I'm wondering if I'm mis-remembering here. As I recall, there used to
> be a command called "cal" which would simply print this month's
> calendar to the screen. It would do other calendars, depending on
> command line parameters. Now that I've moved to bullseye, I don't see
> the command nor a package containing it. There is a command "gcal"
> which appears to do the same thing.
> 
> Am I missing something? Was there a separate package called "cal"
> which was automatically installed in earlier versions of Debian? Or
> was there an automatic alias to the gcal program?
> 
> Paul
> 

On Bullseye, still works here.


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#240389

Wasn't that in bsd-utils?  If not there, maybe plan9.


On Sun, 26 Sep 2021, Charlie wrote:

>
> 	On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 01:24:59 -0400 Paul Informed me about What
> 	happened to cal?
>
> > Folks:
> >
> > I'm wondering if I'm mis-remembering here. As I recall, there used to
> > be a command called "cal" which would simply print this month's
> > calendar to the screen. It would do other calendars, depending on
> > command line parameters. Now that I've moved to bullseye, I don't see
> > the command nor a package containing it. There is a command "gcal"
> > which appears to do the same thing.
> >
> > Am I missing something? Was there a separate package called "cal"
> > which was automatically installed in earlier versions of Debian? Or
> > was there an automatic alias to the gcal program?
> >
> > Paul
> >
>
> On Bullseye, still works here.
>
>
>

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Em 26/09/2021 02:24, Paul M. Foster escreveu:
> Folks:
>
> I'm wondering if I'm mis-remembering here. As I recall, there used to be 
> a command called "cal" which would simply print this month's calendar to 
> the screen. It would do other calendars, depending on command line 
> parameters. Now that I've moved to bullseye, I don't see the command nor 
> a package containing it. There is a command "gcal" which appears to do 
> the same thing.
>
> Am I missing something? Was there a separate package called "cal" which 
> was automatically installed in earlier versions of Debian? Or was there 
> an automatic alias to the gcal program?
>
> Paul

I am on Debian 11 (bullseye). 'cal' is here:

$  cal    September 2021     Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa            1  2  3  4 
 5  6  7  8  9 10 11  12 13 14 15 16 17 18  19 20 21 22 23 24 25  26 27
28 29 30                              $  echo $LANG C $  LANG=pt_BR $  
cal    Setembro 2021      do se te qu qu se s�            1  2  3  4 
 5  6  7  8  9 10 11  12 13 14 15 16 17 18  19 20 21 22 23 24 25  26 27
28 29 30                              $  ls -l /usr/bin/cal 0 lrwxrwxrwx
1 root root 4 mar 23  2021 /usr/bin/cal -> ncal $

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#240399

Le 26/09/2021 à 14:35, Roger Price a écrit :
> On Sun, 26 Sep 2021, Dedeco Balaco wrote:
>
>> $  ls -l /usr/bin/cal 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 mar 23  2021
>> /usr/bin/cal -> ncal
>
> Not for all of us.
>
> rprice@titan ~ inxi -S
> System:    Host: titan Kernel: 5.10.0-8-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop:
> Xfce 4.16.0 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
> rprice@titan ~ ls /usr/bin/cal
> ls: cannot access '/usr/bin/cal': No such file or directory
> rprice@titan ~ ls /usr/bin/ncal
> ls: cannot access '/usr/bin/ncal': No such file or directory
> rprice@titan ~ ls /usr/bin/gcal
> /usr/bin/gcal*
>
> Perhaps the *cal one gets depends on the desktop.
>
> Roger


On bookworm :


apt-file search /usr/bin/cal
…
ncal: /usr/bin/cal

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#240401

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On Sun, 26 Sep 2021, Dedeco Balaco wrote:

> $  ls -l /usr/bin/cal 
> 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 mar 23  2021 /usr/bin/cal -> ncal

Not for all of us.

rprice@titan ~ inxi -S
System:    Host: titan Kernel: 5.10.0-8-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 
4.16.0 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
rprice@titan ~ ls /usr/bin/cal
ls: cannot access '/usr/bin/cal': No such file or directory
rprice@titan ~ ls /usr/bin/ncal
ls: cannot access '/usr/bin/ncal': No such file or directory
rprice@titan ~ ls /usr/bin/gcal
/usr/bin/gcal*

Perhaps the *cal one gets depends on the desktop.

Roger

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#240415

On Sun, 26 Sep 2021, Dedeco Balaco wrote:

> Em 26/09/2021 09:35, Roger Price escreveu:
>> Perhaps the *cal one gets depends on the desktop.
> 
> I use Mate Desktop. And i used it with Debian 9 (stretch) before upgrading (sequentially) to 11, a few weeks ago. But Greg Wooledge just, in a message in another branch of this
> thread, the upgrades from previous distributions which contained cal command should still contain it. So, we have 2 possibilities here.

I did a fresh install of Debian 11, which explains why I do not have cal.  Roger

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#240398

On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 01:24:59AM -0400, Paul M. Foster wrote:
> I'm wondering if I'm mis-remembering here. As I recall, there used to be a
> command called "cal" which would simply print this month's calendar to the
> screen. It would do other calendars, depending on command line parameters.
> Now that I've moved to bullseye, I don't see the command nor a package
> containing it.

unicorn:~$ cat /etc/debian_version 
11.0
unicorn:~$ type cal
cal is hashed (/usr/bin/cal)
unicorn:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/cal
ncal: /usr/bin/cal
unicorn:~$ apt-cache show ncal | head -n14
Package: ncal
Source: bsdmainutils
Version: 12.1.7+nmu3
Installed-Size: 68
Maintainer: Debian Bsdmainutils Team <pkg-bsdmainutils@teams.debian.net>
Architecture: amd64
Replaces: bsdmainutils (<< 12.1.3)
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), libtinfo6 (>= 6)
Breaks: bsdmainutils (<< 12.1.3)
Description-en: display a calendar and the date of Easter
 This package contains the "ncal" program and the traditional "cal"
 program, both are commonly found on BSD-style systems. This utility displays a
 simple calendar in a traditional or an alternative and more advanced layout,
 and the date of Easter.


If you "moved to bullseye" by performing an upgrade, you should still
have this command.  If you "moved" by wiping the system and installing
bullseye from scratch, then I guess you just have to install the ncal
package manually.

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#240417

On 9/26/21 8:37 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 01:24:59AM -0400, Paul M. Foster wrote:
>> I'm wondering if I'm mis-remembering here. As I recall, there used to be a
>> command called "cal" which would simply print this month's calendar to the
>> screen. It would do other calendars, depending on command line parameters.
>> Now that I've moved to bullseye, I don't see the command nor a package
>> containing it.
> unicorn:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
> 11.0
> unicorn:~$ type cal
> cal is hashed (/usr/bin/cal)
> unicorn:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/cal
> ncal: /usr/bin/cal
> unicorn:~$ apt-cache show ncal | head -n14
> Package: ncal
> Source: bsdmainutils
> Version: 12.1.7+nmu3
> Installed-Size: 68
> Maintainer: Debian Bsdmainutils Team <pkg-bsdmainutils@teams.debian.net>
> Architecture: amd64
> Replaces: bsdmainutils (<< 12.1.3)
> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), libtinfo6 (>= 6)
> Breaks: bsdmainutils (<< 12.1.3)
> Description-en: display a calendar and the date of Easter
>   This package contains the "ncal" program and the traditional "cal"
>   program, both are commonly found on BSD-style systems. This utility displays a
>   simple calendar in a traditional or an alternative and more advanced layout,
>   and the date of Easter.
>
>
> If you "moved to bullseye" by performing an upgrade, you should still
> have this command.  If you "moved" by wiping the system and installing
> bullseye from scratch, then I guess you just have to install the ncal
> package manually.
>
I did a fresh install, and apparently "ncal" wasn't installed by default.

Paul

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#240420

On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 01:08:21PM -0400, Paul M. Foster wrote:
> I did a fresh install, and apparently "ncal" wasn't installed by default.

"apt-cache showpkg ncal" tells me that only bsdmainutils depends on it.
"apt-cache showpkg bsdmainutils" gives me a fairly significant list of
packages that depend on bsdmainutils, including man-db.

So, I guess you did a VERY minimal install.  man-db is a "standard"
package, so it should have been included in any reasonable installation.

If you do an utterly bare installation, not even including Standard,
you should expect to have a bunch of stuff missing.

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#240430

On 9/26/21 1:18 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 01:08:21PM -0400, Paul M. Foster wrote:
>> I did a fresh install, and apparently "ncal" wasn't installed by default.
> "apt-cache showpkg ncal" tells me that only bsdmainutils depends on it.
> "apt-cache showpkg bsdmainutils" gives me a fairly significant list of
> packages that depend on bsdmainutils, including man-db.
>
> So, I guess you did a VERY minimal install.  man-db is a "standard"
> package, so it should have been included in any reasonable installation.
>
> If you do an utterly bare installation, not even including Standard,
> you should expect to have a bunch of stuff missing.
>
Nope. Did a full install with a variety of "tasks". The man-db package 
is installed, and I didn't manually install it.

Paul

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#240431

On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 10:32:52PM -0400, Paul M. Foster wrote:
> 
> On 9/26/21 1:18 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 01:08:21PM -0400, Paul M. Foster wrote:
> > > I did a fresh install, and apparently "ncal" wasn't installed by default.
> > "apt-cache showpkg ncal" tells me that only bsdmainutils depends on it.
> > "apt-cache showpkg bsdmainutils" gives me a fairly significant list of
> > packages that depend on bsdmainutils, including man-db.
> > 
> > So, I guess you did a VERY minimal install.  man-db is a "standard"
> > package, so it should have been included in any reasonable installation.
> > 
> > If you do an utterly bare installation, not even including Standard,
> > you should expect to have a bunch of stuff missing.
> > 
> Nope. Did a full install with a variety of "tasks". The man-db package is
> installed, and I didn't manually install it.

Oh, looking closer:

unicorn:~$ apt-cache show man-db | grep Depends
Depends: bsdextrautils | bsdmainutils (<< 12.1.1~), [...]

So, man-db only depends on bsdmainutils as an alternative.  That means
the output of "apt-cache showpkg bsdmainutils" is a bit confusing, as
is the output of "apt-cache depends man-db".

Such silly tools.

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#240424

On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 01:08:21PM -0400, Paul M. Foster wrote:
> 
> On 9/26/21 8:37 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 01:24:59AM -0400, Paul M. Foster wrote:
> > > I'm wondering if I'm mis-remembering here. As I recall, there used to be a
> > > command called "cal" which would simply print this month's calendar to the
> > > screen. It would do other calendars, depending on command line parameters.
> > > Now that I've moved to bullseye, I don't see the command nor a package
> > > containing it.
> > unicorn:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
> > 11.0
> > unicorn:~$ type cal
> > cal is hashed (/usr/bin/cal)
> > unicorn:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/cal
> > ncal: /usr/bin/cal
> > unicorn:~$ apt-cache show ncal | head -n14
> > Package: ncal
> > Source: bsdmainutils
> > Version: 12.1.7+nmu3
> > Installed-Size: 68
> > Maintainer: Debian Bsdmainutils Team <pkg-bsdmainutils@teams.debian.net>
> > Architecture: amd64
> > Replaces: bsdmainutils (<< 12.1.3)
> > Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), libtinfo6 (>= 6)
> > Breaks: bsdmainutils (<< 12.1.3)
> > Description-en: display a calendar and the date of Easter
> >   This package contains the "ncal" program and the traditional "cal"
> >   program, both are commonly found on BSD-style systems. This utility displays a
> >   simple calendar in a traditional or an alternative and more advanced layout,
> >   and the date of Easter.
> > 
> > 
> > If you "moved to bullseye" by performing an upgrade, you should still
> > have this command.  If you "moved" by wiping the system and installing
> > bullseye from scratch, then I guess you just have to install the ncal
> > package manually.
> > 
> I did a fresh install, and apparently "ncal" wasn't installed by default.
> 
> Paul
> 

See also, perhaps, package gcal which I'm guessing is GNU cal

All best, as ever,

Andy Cater

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#240433

/usr/bin/cal moved to its own package (ncal) in bsdmainutils upload
12.1.3. This is the version included in current stable and newer; but
it's after the version in oldstable (buster).

IOW, On buster, if you had installed bsdmainutils, you would get
/usr/bin/cal. bsdmainutils is Priority: important in buster but only
Priority: optional in stable onwards. That priority applies to all the
binary packages built from the source, including ncal.

Quoting the Debian FAQ:
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/pkg-basics.en.html#priority
> If you do a default Debian installation all the packages of priority
> Standard or higher will be installed in your system. If you select
> pre-defined tasks you will get lower priority packages too. 

So installing Buster, you would get /usr/bin/cal by default. Installing
anything newer, and you don't.

On upgrade from Buster, bsdmainutils will no longer provide
/usr/bin/cal. There's no dependency in place to automatically pull in
the ncal package, you have to do that yourself.


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#240438

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 08:45:03AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On upgrade from Buster, bsdmainutils will no longer provide
> /usr/bin/cal. There's no dependency in place to automatically pull in
> the ncal package, you have to do that yourself.

That second sentence is incorrect.

unicorn:~$ dpkg -s bsdmainutils | grep Depends:
Depends: bsdutils (>= 3.0-0), debianutils (>= 1.8), bsdextrautils (>= 2.35.2-7), ncal

I can also confirm that I have ncal installed on bullseye after an
upgrade from buster, and I did not need to install it by hand.

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#240451

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 07:16:23AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>That second sentence is incorrect.
>
>unicorn:~$ dpkg -s bsdmainutils | grep Depends:
>Depends: bsdutils (>= 3.0-0), debianutils (>= 1.8), bsdextrautils (>= 2.35.2-7), ncal

Sorry, you're right. I eye-balled the control file here [1] and missed
that the Depends: field was line-wrapped.


[1] https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/b/bsdmainutils/control-12.1.7nmu3

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