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  Font color selection in MATE terminal Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-22 15:20 +0200
    Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-22 15:30 +0200
    Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com> - 2021-06-22 15:30 +0200
      Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-06-22 15:50 +0200
        Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-06-22 16:30 +0200
        Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com> - 2021-06-22 16:30 +0200
    Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-06-22 15:30 +0200
      Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-22 15:40 +0200
        Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-06-22 21:20 +0200
    Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-22 16:00 +0200
      Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com> - 2021-06-22 16:40 +0200
    Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-22 16:40 +0200
      Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-06-22 17:40 +0200
        Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2021-06-22 18:50 +0200
      Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Siard <shiems@mailbox.org> - 2021-06-22 18:30 +0200
        Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-23 11:40 +0200
          Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Siard <shiems@mailbox.org> - 2021-06-23 13:40 +0200
          At least a partial solution - was [Re: Font color selection in MATE  terminal] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-23 14:30 +0200
        Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2021-07-02 07:40 +0200
          Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Siard <shiems@mailbox.org> - 2021-07-02 13:30 +0200
            Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Richmond <richmond@criptext.com> - 2021-07-02 18:10 +0200
    Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2021-06-22 18:20 +0200
      Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-06-22 18:40 +0200
        Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2021-06-22 20:50 +0200
      Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2021-06-22 19:00 +0200
        Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-06-22 19:50 +0200
          Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2021-06-22 20:30 +0200
            Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-06-22 20:50 +0200
              Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2021-06-22 21:20 +0200
                Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-06-22 21:30 +0200
                Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-06-22 21:30 +0200
    RESOLVED: Font color selection in MATE terminal Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-24 13:10 +0200

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#236276 — Font color selection in MATE terminal

I have vision problems.
I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases.
The program I'm running gives out colored text.
The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful.
Help please.

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#236278

On 06/22/2021 08:21 AM, IL Ka wrote:
> try
> $ TERM=xterm-mono [your_program]

didn't work :{


> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 4:14 PM Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
> 
>> I have vision problems.
>> I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases.
>> The program I'm running gives out colored text.
>> The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful.
>> Help please.
>>
>>
>>
> 

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#236279

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try
$ TERM=xterm-mono [your_program]


On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 4:14 PM Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

> I have vision problems.
> I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases.
> The program I'm running gives out colored text.
> The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful.
> Help please.
>
>
>

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#236283

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 04:21:35PM +0300, IL Ka wrote:
> try
> $ TERM=xterm-mono [your_program]

/me tries

unicorn:~$ TERM=xterm-mono sudo apt update

Nope.  No luck there.

unicorn:~$ sudo TERM=xterm-mono apt update

Nope.  Not that one either.

If Debian's APT team is trying their very, very hardest to make me
never, ever want to use apt(8), they're doing an impressively good job.

Of course, I have no idea what Richard's actual program is, so here's
a half-hearted apology for possibly highjacking a thread.  (Note: I'm
in rxvt-unicode, not MATE terminal.)  (Sorry.)

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#236290

On 2021-06-22, Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> wrote:
>
> Of course, I have no idea what Richard's actual program is, so here's
> a half-hearted apology for possibly highjacking a thread.  (Note: I'm
> in rxvt-unicode, not MATE terminal.)  (Sorry.)
>

It's cht.sh (in local mode), and he's going about things bass-ackwards.

He wants something like

 cht.sh/ls\?T

or

 cht.sh/ls\?style=bw

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#236291

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>
>
> unicorn:~$ sudo TERM=xterm-mono apt update
>
> Nope.  Not that one either.


Some apps ignore the number of colors from the terminfo.
Their authors believe there are no colorless monitors.

Vim and bash works, however
$ TERM=xterm-mono vim
$ TERM=xterm-mono bash (no color prompt)

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#236280

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 08:14:08AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I have vision problems.
> I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases.
> The program I'm running gives out colored text.
> The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful.
> Help please.
> 
> 

Richard,

What's the program? For some Xterms, the default is to colorize

All best,

Andy C.

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#236282

On 06/22/2021 08:24 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 08:14:08AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> I have vision problems.
>> I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases.
>> The program I'm running gives out colored text.
>> The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful.
>> Help please.
>>
>>
> 
> Richard,
> 
> What's the program? For some Xterms, the default is to colorize

It's the local version of cht.sht being discussed elsewhere on this list.

The structure of the Edit->Profile Preferences suggests I can override 
what ever dumb choices the programmer made.

I've encountered this with other programs.
I must have black on white *ONLY* for ALL programs if the output is to 
be legible.


> 
> All best,
> 
> Andy C.
> 
> 
> 

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#236323

On Tue 22 Jun 2021 at 08:35:42 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 06/22/2021 08:24 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 08:14:08AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > I have vision problems.
> > > I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases.
> > > The program I'm running gives out colored text.
> > > The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful.
> > > Help please.
> > 
> > What's the program? For some Xterms, the default is to colorize
> 
> It's the local version of cht.sht being discussed elsewhere on this list.
> 
> The structure of the Edit->Profile Preferences suggests I can override
> what ever dumb choices the programmer made.
> 
> I've encountered this with other programs.
> I must have black on white *ONLY* for ALL programs if the output is to
> be legible.

It's probable that all your options will involve some degree of
compromise. AIUI, TERM=xterm-mono foo involves cooperation from the
program foo, which might need the author to be aware of what an xterm
is. For example, mutt loses all its colours with that, but not my
script that starts it up.

You could try running   xterm -cm   which appears to eliminate colours
entirely, but unfortunately you also lose inverse-video, which might
require you to do some tinkering. For example, mutt would require
arrow_cursor setting for navigation.

Even turning down the colour on a monitor suffers where text and
background differ in hue but not luminance. So I don't think you'll
find a silver bullet that fixes every case.

Cheers,
David.

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#236286

On 06/22/2021 08:47 AM, mick crane wrote:
> On 2021-06-22 14:14, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> I have vision problems.
>> I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases.
>> The program I'm running gives out colored text.
>> The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful.
>> Help please.
> 
> Has the monitor got any controls on it ?
> mick

Monitor (Gateway FPD1730) has only positioning controls.
But in any case the MATE Terminal option menus imply I should be able to 
have what I need.

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#236293

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One more idea: install xterm (``apt install xterm``) and run it with ``-cm``

$ xterm -cm

that means "do not recognize color esc. sequences"

Everything is b&w there

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On Ma, 22 iun 21, 08:14:08, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I have vision problems.
> I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases.
> The program I'm running gives out colored text.
> The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful.
> Help please.

This has already been addressed before: you must change the color scheme 
in the setting for MATE Terminal, to have it use black/dark gray/etc. as 
needed for everything related to text.

The exact steps are different for each terminal emulator and I don't 
have MATE Terminal installed here.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#236301

On Tue 22 Jun 2021 at 17:32:55 (+0300), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 22 iun 21, 08:14:08, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > I have vision problems.
> > I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases.
> > The program I'm running gives out colored text.
> > The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful.
> > Help please.
> 
> This has already been addressed before: you must change the color scheme 
> in the setting for MATE Terminal, to have it use black/dark gray/etc. as 
> needed for everything related to text.

At the end of May, IIRC

> The exact steps are different for each terminal emulator and I don't 
> have MATE Terminal installed here.

Wouldn't it be nice if there were a debian-mate list.

Oh, look, there it is!

https://lists.debian.org/debian-mate/

Cheers,
David.

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#236312

On 22/6/21 11:34 pm, David Wright wrote:
<snip>

> 
> Wouldn't it be nice if there were a debian-mate list.
> 
> Oh, look, there it is!
> 
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-mate/
> 
> Cheers,
> David.
> 

In viewing the published list archive for that list, all of the messages 
this year, appear to be announce messages from developers, with no 
support component for users.

Just an observation.

-- 
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

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#236310

On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 17:32:55, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 22 iun 21, 08:14:08, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > I have vision problems.
> > I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases.
> > The program I'm running gives out colored text.
> > The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful.
> > Help please.
> 
> This has already been addressed before: you must change the color scheme 
> in the setting for MATE Terminal, to have it use black/dark gray/etc. as 
> needed for everything related to text.
> 
> The exact steps are different for each terminal emulator and I don't 
> have MATE Terminal installed here.

Well, I have. In the MATE Terminal settings (Edit > Profile Preferences),
tab 'Colors', under 'Palette', set 'Built-in schemes' to 'Custom' and
change every color in the color palette to black.

Here is a screenshot:
https://i.postimg.cc/2yv17y3Y/mateterminalcolors.png

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#236343

On 06/22/2021 11:23 AM, Siard wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 17:32:55, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>> On Ma, 22 iun 21, 08:14:08, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> I have vision problems.
>>> I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases.
>>> The program I'm running gives out colored text.
>>> The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful.
>>> Help please.
>>
>> This has already been addressed before: you must change the color scheme
>> in the setting for MATE Terminal, to have it use black/dark gray/etc. as
>> needed for everything related to text.
>>
>> The exact steps are different for each terminal emulator and I don't
>> have MATE Terminal installed here.
> 
> Well, I have. In the MATE Terminal settings (Edit > Profile Preferences),
> tab 'Colors', under 'Palette', set 'Built-in schemes' to 'Custom' and
> change every color in the color palette to black.
> 
> Here is a screenshot:
> https://i.postimg.cc/2yv17y3Y/mateterminalcolors.png
> 

I tried that yesterday and it didn't work.
I tried it again this morning, after a good night's sleep.
It still didn't work. BUT it finally registered that the settings I 
changed were *NOT* being kept as in your screenshot.

I am running Debian 9.13 with MATE Terminal 1.16.3
Are you using the same?
Suggestions?
Thank you.

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#236349

Richard Owlett:
> Siard:
> > In the MATE Terminal settings (Edit > Profile Preferences),
> > tab 'Colors', under 'Palette', set 'Built-in schemes' to 'Custom'
> > and change every color in the color palette to black.
> > 
> > Here is a screenshot:
> > https://i.postimg.cc/2yv17y3Y/mateterminalcolors.png
>
> I tried that yesterday and it didn't work.
> I tried it again this morning, after a good night's sleep.
> It still didn't work. BUT it finally registered that the settings I 
> changed were *NOT* being kept as in your screenshot.
> 
> I am running Debian 9.13 with MATE Terminal 1.16.3
> Are you using the same?
> Suggestions?
> Thank you.

I am running Debian 11.0 with MATE Terminal 1.24.1.
This morning, the colors were still being kept and it still worked.
Alas, I do not know anything about older versions.

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#236354 — At least a partial solution - was [Re: Font color selection in MATE terminal]

On 06/23/2021 04:32 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 06/22/2021 11:23 AM, Siard wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 17:32:55, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>>> On Ma, 22 iun 21, 08:14:08, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>> I have vision problems.
>>>> I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases.
>>>> The program I'm running gives out colored text.
>>>> The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful.
>>>> Help please.
>>>
>>> This has already been addressed before: you must change the color scheme
>>> in the setting for MATE Terminal, to have it use black/dark gray/etc. as
>>> needed for everything related to text.
>>>
>>> The exact steps are different for each terminal emulator and I don't
>>> have MATE Terminal installed here.
>>
>> Well, I have. In the MATE Terminal settings (Edit > Profile Preferences),
>> tab 'Colors', under 'Palette', set 'Built-in schemes' to 'Custom' and
>> change every color in the color palette to black.
>>
>> Here is a screenshot:
>> https://i.postimg.cc/2yv17y3Y/mateterminalcolors.png
>>
> 
> I tried that yesterday and it didn't work.
> I tried it again this morning, after a good night's sleep.
> It still didn't work. BUT it finally registered that the settings I 
> changed were *NOT* being kept as in your screenshot.
> 
> I am running Debian 9.13 with MATE Terminal 1.16.3
> Are you using the same?
> Suggestions?
> Thank you.
> 

I have a secondary machine with Debian 10.7 which uses
MATE Terminal 1.20.2. That does save changes made using
Edit->Profile Preferences. I don't know yet if that solves all my 
problems with the local version of cht.sh discussed elsewhere.

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#236732

On 6/22/21 9:23 AM, Siard wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 17:32:55, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>> On Ma, 22 iun 21, 08:14:08, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> I have vision problems.
>>> I *MUST* have black on white text in all cases.
>>> The program I'm running gives out colored text.
>>> The MATE Help screen is NOT helpful.
>>> Help please.
>> This has already been addressed before: you must change the color scheme
>> in the setting for MATE Terminal, to have it use black/dark gray/etc. as
>> needed for everything related to text.
>>
>> The exact steps are different for each terminal emulator and I don't
>> have MATE Terminal installed here.
> Well, I have. In the MATE Terminal settings (Edit > Profile Preferences),
> tab 'Colors', under 'Palette', set 'Built-in schemes' to 'Custom' and
> change every color in the color palette to black.
>
> Here is a screenshot:
> https://i.postimg.cc/2yv17y3Y/mateterminalcolors.png

Why select 'Custom'?

Richard needs black on white, so he should select 'Black on white'.  It 
works for me.  I have been using 'Custom', Yellow on Black, like my 
first monitor many years ago.  But selecting 'Black on white' gives 
exactly that.

Marc

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#236748

On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 22:37 -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> On 6/22/21 9:23 AM, Siard wrote:
> > In the MATE Terminal settings (Edit > Profile Preferences),
> > tab 'Colors', under 'Palette', set 'Built-in schemes' to 'Custom'
> > and change every color in the color palette to black.
> >
> > Here is a screenshot:
> > https://i.postimg.cc/2yv17y3Y/mateterminalcolors.png
> 
> Why select 'Custom'?
> 
> Richard needs black on white, so he should select 'Black on white'.
> It works for me.  I have been using 'Custom', Yellow on Black, like
> my first monitor many years ago.  But selecting 'Black on white'
> gives exactly that.

Yes, but it did not work for Richard, and as 'Custom' worked for me,
I came with this solution.
Later, it turned out that it was caused by a glitch in MATE Terminal
1.16.3, used in Debian 9.  Later versions worked fine.
So 'Black on white' is indeed the most obvious way.

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