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| First post | 2021-06-25 15:50 +0200 |
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Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-25 15:50 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-06-25 16:00 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-25 16:50 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-06-25 23:10 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-26 11:50 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-06-26 19:40 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-26 20:40 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-30 15:50 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-06-30 20:50 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-07-01 15:10 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-01 17:30 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-02 19:50 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-07-01 18:50 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-01 22:10 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-07-01 22:40 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-02 00:00 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-07-02 12:00 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-02 12:20 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-02 21:10 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-07-01 22:20 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-01 00:20 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-06-27 09:40 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-27 10:40 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-06-27 16:40 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-06-27 16:40 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-06-27 17:40 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-06-27 17:40 +0200
Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-27 19:40 +0200
X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] "Rick Thomas" <rick.thomas@pobox.com> - 2021-06-29 04:40 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-29 04:50 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-06-29 05:20 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-29 11:00 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-30 10:30 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com> - 2021-06-29 11:50 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-29 18:20 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-06-29 18:40 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-06-29 19:30 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-29 20:10 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-06-29 20:50 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-06-29 21:00 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Lucas Castro <lucas@gnuabordo.com.br> - 2021-06-29 21:10 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-29 22:50 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-06-29 23:00 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-29 23:10 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-30 10:40 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-30 11:30 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-06-30 12:00 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-07-01 01:40 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-06-30 12:00 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-30 15:20 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-06-30 15:40 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-06-30 16:40 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-06-30 12:00 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-29 22:50 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-06-30 12:00 +0200
Mailing list behaviour, words and that [was: Re: X server ...] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-06-30 14:50 +0200
Re: Mailing list behaviour, words and that [was: Re: X server ...] Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-06-30 15:00 +0200
Re: Mailing list behaviour, words and that [was: Re: X server ...] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-30 15:40 +0200
Re: Mailing list behaviour, words and that [was: Re: X server ...] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-30 20:20 +0200
Re: Mailing list behaviour, words and that [was: Re: X server ...] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-30 20:50 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-30 15:40 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-06-30 16:40 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-06-30 17:10 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-06-30 17:40 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-30 17:50 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-06-30 18:10 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-30 18:40 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-06-30 20:30 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-30 21:30 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-01 07:20 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-07-01 11:30 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] "Thompson, Brian" <brian@hashvault.io> - 2021-06-30 18:10 +0200
Re: Artifical Intellignce ( was : X something) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-30 19:00 +0200
Re: Artifical Intellignce ( was : X something) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-06-30 19:20 +0200
[OT, maybe] Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-06-30 22:20 +0200
Re: [OT, maybe] Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-06-30 22:30 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-07-01 02:00 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-07-01 02:00 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-01 06:40 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] - continue Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-01 07:00 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-06-30 22:10 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-06-30 20:00 +0200
Re: X server running on a different machine [Re: Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-01 01:10 +0200
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-06-25 15:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Wanted: a special purpose Debian installer |
| Message-ID | <CtUnw-QW-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
One paragraph of "Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide"[1] causes me grief. It is part of "6.3.5. Installing the Base System"[2]. That paragraph states: > When packages are installed using the package management system, it will > by default also install packages that are recommended by those packages. > Recommended packages are not strictly required for the core functionality > of the selected software, but they do enhance that software and should, > in the view of the package maintainers, normally be installed together with > that software. I like the MATE Desktop. If the package mate-desktop-environment is in stalled *WITHOUT* "recommended" packages I get my desired skeletal Debian system. I believe changing one screen of the standard would give me what I want and likely satisfy the maintainers mentioned above. In the screen titled "Software selection", change the first line from "Debian desktop environment" to "Install the desktop selected below with all recommended utilities". If that option and the Gnome option are selected by default the effect would be the same as the current installer. If I deselect the first line and select MATE, I get my desired system. Does such an installer already exist? TIA [1] https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/index.en.html [2] https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.en.html
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| From | Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> |
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| Date | 2021-06-25 16:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CtUxb-Um-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #236444 |
Richard Owlett wrote: > I like the MATE Desktop. If the package mate-desktop-environment is in > stalled *WITHOUT* "recommended" packages I get my desired skeletal Debian > system. > > I believe changing one screen of the standard would give me what I want and > likely satisfy the maintainers mentioned above. In the screen titled > "Software selection", change the first line from "Debian desktop > environment" to "Install the desktop selected below with all recommended > utilities". If that option and the Gnome option are selected by default the > effect would be the same as the current installer. If I deselect the first > line and select MATE, I get my desired system. > > Does such an installer already exist? The preseeder should work for this. Read: https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.automated-installation.html at 12.3.2 and onwards. -dsr-
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-06-25 16:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CtVjA-1pA-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #236445 |
No need for CC: as I'm subscribed to debian-user On 06/25/2021 08:53 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: > Richard Owlett wrote: >> I like the MATE Desktop. If the package mate-desktop-environment is in >> stalled *WITHOUT* "recommended" packages I get my desired skeletal Debian >> system. >> >> I believe changing one screen of the standard would give me what I want and >> likely satisfy the maintainers mentioned above. In the screen titled >> "Software selection", change the first line from "Debian desktop >> environment" to "Install the desktop selected below with all recommended >> utilities". If that option and the Gnome option are selected by default the >> effect would be the same as the current installer. If I deselect the first >> line and select MATE, I get my desired system. >> >> Does such an installer already exist? > > The preseeder should work for this. > > Read: > https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.automated-installation.html > > at 12.3.2 and onwards. > <chuckle> Part of the reason I know what I want is reasonable is that back in days of Squeeze I made much use of preseeding. However, I find the brief description that link gives of simple-CDD intriguing. It may address some annoyances I found when using preseeding. As the weekend weather is going bounce between very hot and very wet an indoor reading assignment is welcome. Thanks
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| From | "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> |
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| Date | 2021-06-25 23:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Cu1fj-58k-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #236444 |
On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 08:48:47AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > One paragraph of "Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide"[1] causes me grief. > It is part of "6.3.5. Installing the Base System"[2]. > > That paragraph states: > > When packages are installed using the package management system, it will > > by default also install packages that are recommended by those packages. > > Recommended packages are not strictly required for the core functionality > of the selected software, but they do enhance that software and should, > > in the view of the package maintainers, normally be installed together with > > that software. > > I like the MATE Desktop. If the package mate-desktop-environment is in > stalled *WITHOUT* "recommended" packages I get my desired skeletal Debian > system. > > I believe changing one screen of the standard would give me what I want and > likely satisfy the maintainers mentioned above. In the screen titled > "Software selection", change the first line from "Debian desktop > environment" to "Install the desktop selected below with all recommended > utilities". If that option and the Gnome option are selected by default the > effect would be the same as the current installer. If I deselect the first > line and select MATE, I get my desired system. > Everything you need is already in the Debian installer: use an expert instaLL and text mode to install it. Do not select Debian desktop environment: select only Mate - job done. Use what's already there: you may hve noted that I often give the advice on -user for a minimal install to start out with a text mode expert install and sort out _exactly_ what you want. Start with a text mode only - command line environment - then add mate-desktop-environment. Optionally, you can configure apt to ignore recommends. > Does such an installer already exist? > TIA > > [1] https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/index.en.html > [2] https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.en.html > > All best, as ever, Andy Cater
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-06-26 11:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Cud6N-3Ug-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #236463 |
On 06/25/2021 04:06 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 08:48:47AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: >> One paragraph of "Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide"[1] causes me grief. >> It is part of "6.3.5. Installing the Base System"[2]. >> >> That paragraph states: >>> When packages are installed using the package management system, it will >>> by default also install packages that are recommended by those packages. >>> Recommended packages are not strictly required for the core functionality >>> of the selected software, but they do enhance that software and should, >>> in the view of the package maintainers, normally be installed together with >>> that software. >> >> I like the MATE Desktop. If the package mate-desktop-environment is in >> stalled *WITHOUT* "recommended" packages I get my desired skeletal Debian >> system. >> >> I believe changing one screen of the standard would give me what I want and >> likely satisfy the maintainers mentioned above. In the screen titled >> "Software selection", change the first line from "Debian desktop >> environment" to "Install the desktop selected below with all recommended >> utilities". If that option and the Gnome option are selected by default the >> effect would be the same as the current installer. If I deselect the first >> line and select MATE, I get my desired system. >> > > Everything you need is already in the Debian installer: use an expert > instaLL and text mode to install it. I've been doing that for years. In fact I got so accustomed to expert mode that when I switched from purchasing install DVDs I got disoriented by the vendor's concealment of expert mode. > Do not select Debian desktop environment: select only Mate - job done. No it is *NOT*. All the excess baggage I wish to avoid is installed, e.g. LibreOffice, Firefox etc. etc. I'll have to leave this sub-thread for a while. While looking for a related thread on my machine I discovered a >3yr old post that suggests a round-about way to deal with my problem that installing from flash media is experientially *NOT* the same as installing from DVD. Later. > Use what's already there: you may have noted that > I often give the advice on -user for a minimal install to start out with a > text mode expert install and sort out _exactly_ what you want. > > Start with a text mode only - command line environment - then add > mate-desktop-environment. Optionally, you can configure apt to ignore > recommends. > >> Does such an installer already exist? >> TIA >> >> [1] https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/index.en.html >> [2] https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.en.html >> >> > > All best, as ever, > > Andy Cater > > >
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-06-26 19:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CukrE-cE-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #236472 |
On Sat 26 Jun 2021 at 04:49:08 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 06/25/2021 04:06 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 08:48:47AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > One paragraph of "Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide"[1] causes me grief.
> > > It is part of "6.3.5. Installing the Base System"[2].
> > >
> > > That paragraph states:
> > > > When packages are installed using the package management system, it will
> > > > by default also install packages that are recommended by those packages.
> > > > Recommended packages are not strictly required for the core functionality
> > > > of the selected software, but they do enhance that software and should,
> > > > in the view of the package maintainers, normally be installed together with
> > > > that software.
> > >
> > > I like the MATE Desktop. If the package mate-desktop-environment is in
> > > stalled *WITHOUT* "recommended" packages I get my desired skeletal Debian
> > > system.
> > >
> > > I believe changing one screen of the standard would give me what I want and
> > > likely satisfy the maintainers mentioned above. In the screen titled
> > > "Software selection", change the first line from "Debian desktop
> > > environment" to "Install the desktop selected below with all recommended
> > > utilities". If that option and the Gnome option are selected by default the
> > > effect would be the same as the current installer. If I deselect the first
> > > line and select MATE, I get my desired system.
> > >
> >
> > Everything you need is already in the Debian installer: use an expert
> > instaLL and text mode to install it.
>
> I've been doing that for years. In fact I got so accustomed to expert
> mode that when I switched from purchasing install DVDs I got
> disoriented by the vendor's concealment of expert mode.
>
> > Do not select Debian desktop environment: select only Mate - job done.
>
> No it is *NOT*. All the excess baggage I wish to avoid is installed,
> e.g. LibreOffice, Firefox etc. etc.
I thought we had established last year that you need to install the
initial system without Recommends:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/09/msg00436.html
and one possible answer was:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/09/msg00441.html
I don't remember your ever reporting doing that. Did you try it,
and what was the result? It would be nice to put this problem to bed,
rather than revisiting it ever year.
> I'll have to leave this sub-thread for a while.
> While looking for a related thread on my machine I discovered a >3yr
> old post that suggests a round-about way to deal with my problem that
> installing from flash media is experientially *NOT* the same as
> installing from DVD.
>
> Later.
>
> > Use what's already there: you may have noted that
> > I often give the advice on -user for a minimal install to start out with a
> > text mode expert install and sort out _exactly_ what you want.
> >
> > Start with a text mode only - command line environment - then add
> > mate-desktop-environment. Optionally, you can configure apt to ignore
> > recommends.
> >
> > > Does such an installer already exist?
Were this to be my own priority in building a system, I'd be tempted
to test its feasibility by hacking the d-i itself. Looking at
bin/apt-install, I can see the following two sections just waiting
to be hacked:
--with-recommends)
WITH_RECOMMENDS=1
OPTS="$OPTS $1"
;;
early on, and:
apt_opts="-q -y"
if [ -z "$ALLOW_REMOVE" ]; then
apt_opts="$apt_opts --no-remove"
fi
if [ "$WITH_RECOMMENDS" ]; then
apt_opts="$apt_opts -o APT::Install-Recommends=true"
elif [ "$NO_RECOMMENDS" ]; then
apt_opts="$apt_opts -o APT::Install-Recommends=false"
fi
towards the end. The latter looks particularly like the section
that constructs the d-i's command line:
Commandline: apt-get -o APT::Status-Fd=4 -o APT::Keep-Fds::=5 -o APT::Keep-Fds::=6 -q -y -o APT::Install-Recommends=true -o APT::Get::AutomaticRemove=true -o APT::Acquire::Retries=3 install task-print-server task-ssh-server … blah blah
If changing the two strings WITH_RECOMMENDS=1 and APT::Install-Recommends=true
has the desired effect, then it would obviously be worth finding the
elegant way of setting these options (assuming that's not precisely
what Felix's suggestion does). You'd have to edit bin/apt-install
early on, from a shell, to try this experiment.
Cheers,
David.
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2021-06-26 20:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CulnH-Ur-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #236497 |
On 06/26/2021 12:31 PM, David Wright wrote:
> [snip]
>
> I thought we had established last year that you need to install the
> initial system without Recommends:
That is EXPLICITLY my goal. I vaguely recall attempting to follow some
suggestions which didn't end well ;{
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/09/msg00436.html
I don't recall that post.
>
> and one possible answer was:
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/09/msg00441.html
That has an intriguing section:
>> This the tail of basically the same installer cmdline I've been using for Debian
>> for several years, Bullseye the last:
>> netcfg/get_nameservers=8.8.4.4 netcfg/confirm_static=true tasks=standard
>> base-installer/install-recommends=false GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true
I've lost my local copy of posts from that time period. I can't do it
today, but tomorrow I'll create a local copy of the thread to examine.
>
> I don't remember your ever reporting doing that. Did you try it,
> and what was the result? It would be nice to put this problem to bed,
> rather than revisiting it ever year.
I tried many things. Usually a mass failure. I'll see what I can re-create.
Thank you.
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-06-30 15:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CvILg-2ys-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #236500 |
On 06/26/2021 01:32 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 06/26/2021 12:31 PM, David Wright wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>> I thought we had established last year that you need to install the
>> initial system without Recommends:
>
> That is EXPLICITLY my goal. I vaguely recall attempting to follow some
> suggestions which didn't end well ;{
>
>>
>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/09/msg00436.html
>
> I don't recall that post.
>
>>
>> and one possible answer was:
>>
>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/09/msg00441.html
>
> That has an intriguing section:
>>> This the tail of basically the same installer cmdline I've been using
>>> for Debian
>>> for several years, Bullseye the last:
>>> netcfg/get_nameservers=8.8.4.4 netcfg/confirm_static=true tasks=standard
>>> base-installer/install-recommends=false GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true
>
> I've lost my local copy of posts from that time period. I can't do it
> today, but tomorrow I'll create a local copy of the thread to examine.
>
Now that I've reread all the "Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task
selection menu" it triggered some memories. I don't recall just when I
did it but I had tried including "install-recommends=false" somewhere in
the command line. It failed. IIRC there's something hard-coded in part
of the installer that ignores that directive just where I wanted it to
have effect. Without my local references, I don't have the details.
>> I don't remember your ever reporting doing that. Did you try it,
>> and what was the result? It would be nice to put this problem to bed,
>> rather than revisiting it ever year.
>
> I tried many things. Usually a mass failure. I'll see what I can re-create.
> Thank you.
>
>
>
>
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-06-30 20:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CvNrz-5rl-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #236663 |
Richard Owlett composed on 2021-06-30 08:43 (UTC-0500): > I don't recall just when I > did it but I had tried including "install-recommends=false" somewhere in > the command line. It failed. I start most installations with Grub. Nearly always I start with a minimal installation. On the linu lines in these files is: base-installer/install-recommends=false -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-07-01 15:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Cw4C5-7I3-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #236681 |
On 06/30/2021 01:39 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
> Richard Owlett composed on 2021-06-30 08:43 (UTC-0500):
>
>> I don't recall just when I
>> did it but I had tried including "install-recommends=false" somewhere in
>> the command line. It failed.
> I start most installations with Grub. Nearly always I start with a minimal
> installation. On the linu lines in these files is:
>
> base-installer/install-recommends=false
>
I tried that this morning.
I did *NOT* get the desired result.
I got all the "recommended" packages of MATE Desktop Environment.
Just as if I hadn't specified otherwise on the installer command line :{
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-07-01 17:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Cw6Nz-td-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #236704 |
On Thu 01 Jul 2021 at 08:00:25 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 06/30/2021 01:39 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
> > Richard Owlett composed on 2021-06-30 08:43 (UTC-0500):
> >
> > > I don't recall just when I
> > > did it but I had tried including "install-recommends=false" somewhere in
> > > the command line. It failed.
> > I start most installations with Grub. Nearly always I start with a minimal
> > installation. On the linu lines in these files is:
> >
> > base-installer/install-recommends=false
> >
>
> I tried that this morning.
> I did *NOT* get the desired result.
> I got all the "recommended" packages of MATE Desktop Environment.
Thanks for trying again. For the commandline option above the Installer
Guide says
By setting this option to false, the package management
system will be configured to not automatically install
"Recommends", both during the installation and for the
installed system.
I installed Gnome using debian-10.8.0-i386-DVD-1.iso and checked the
syslog and /target/var/lib/dpkg/info for what was installed using
D-I. AFAICT, all the recommended packages of task-gnome-desktop are
on the system. So...a D-I bug?
--
Brian.
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-07-02 19:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CwvsC-7lO-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #236709 |
On Thu 01 Jul 2021 at 16:24:12 +0100, Brian wrote: [..] > on the system. So...a D-I bug? Quite possibly, but my involvement with it ends here. Others can pursue it in a suitable report. Note that the installation with "recommends=false" still sets up the system not to install recommended packages. A user really does need to know what he is doing with the commandline options given to D-I, whether or not they work. -- Brian.
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-07-01 18:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Cw82Z-19v-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #236704 |
Richard Owlett composed on 2021-07-01 08:00 (UTC-0500):
> Felix Miata wrote:
>> Richard Owlett composed on 2021-06-30 08:43 (UTC-0500):
>>> I don't recall just when I
>>> did it but I had tried including "install-recommends=false" somewhere in
>>> the command line. It failed.
>> I start most installations with Grub. Nearly always I start with a minimal
>> installation. On the linu lines in these files is:
>> base-installer/install-recommends=false
> I tried that this morning.
> I did *NOT* get the desired result.
> I got all the "recommended" packages of MATE Desktop Environment.
> Just as if I hadn't specified otherwise on the installer command line :{
Dunno what to tell you. Maybe that's because I always include also
tasks=standard
I only add a desktop after first boot into the fresh minimal installation.
What other command line options did you use?
--
Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
based on faith, not based on science.
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-07-01 22:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Cwbax-3gM-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #236711 |
On Thu 01 Jul 2021 at 12:40:05 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> Richard Owlett composed on 2021-07-01 08:00 (UTC-0500):
>
> > Felix Miata wrote:
>
> >> Richard Owlett composed on 2021-06-30 08:43 (UTC-0500):
>
> >>> I don't recall just when I
> >>> did it but I had tried including "install-recommends=false" somewhere in
> >>> the command line. It failed.
> >> I start most installations with Grub. Nearly always I start with a minimal
> >> installation. On the linu lines in these files is:
>
> >> base-installer/install-recommends=false
>
> > I tried that this morning.
> > I did *NOT* get the desired result.
> > I got all the "recommended" packages of MATE Desktop Environment.
> > Just as if I hadn't specified otherwise on the installer command line :{
>
> Dunno what to tell you. Maybe that's because I always include also
>
> tasks=standard
Extremely unlikely. In fact, impossible.
> I only add a desktop after first boot into the fresh minimal installation.
This isn't what Richard Owlet or I are doing. We are not on the same page.
> What other command line options did you use?
Irrelelevant.
--
Brian.
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-07-01 22:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CwbDA-3qD-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #236719 |
Brian composed on 2021-07-01 21:05 (UTC+0100):
> On Thu 01 Jul 2021 at 12:40:05 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
>> Dunno what to tell you. Maybe that's because I always include also
>> tasks=standard
> Extremely unlikely. In fact, impossible.
Interesting claim. Care to explain further?
The following is from a local LAN backup/template directory, partially redacted:
Inst/Grub # grep tasks=standard *cfg* *lst* | wc -l
345
Inst/Grub # ls -rtgG *.cfg* *.lst* | tail
-rw-r--r-- 1 10552 Nov 11 2020 menu.lst.gx780-boot.19
-rw-r--r-- 1 10023 Dec 13 2020 menu.lst.gx150-boot.35
-rwxrwxr-x 1 7287 Jan 18 02:37 customARA88-02.cfg
-rwxr-xr-x 1 4800 Feb 9 03:42 customAB85m-05.cfg
-rwxr-xr-x 1 4802 Feb 27 21:39 customAB85m-06.cfg
-rw-r--r-- 1 10843 Apr 3 21:32 menu.lst.gx780-boot.20
-rw-r--r-- 1 4877 Apr 19 14:34 menu.lst.gx270-boot.39
-rwxr-xr-x 1 5486 Apr 29 18:40 customAB85m-07.cfg
-rw-r--r-- 1 4637 May 1 20:59 menu.lst.gx78b-boot.23
-rw-rw-r-- 1 18115 Jun 3 04:15 menu.lst.hp945-boot.47
Inst/Grub # grep tasks=standard customAB85m-07.cfg
linuxefi /deb10/linux showopts --- netcfg/get_hostname=ab85m netcfg/get_domain=ij.net netcfg/disable_autoconfig=true netcfg/get_ipaddress=#.#.#.#/24 netcfg/get_gateway=#.#.#.# netcfg/get_nameservers=8.8.4.4 netcfg/confirm_static=true tasks=standard base-installer/install-recommends=false
linuxefi /buntu/linux showopts --- netcfg/get_hostname=ab85m netcfg/get_domain=ij.net netcfg/disable_autoconfig=true netcfg/get_ipaddress=#.#.#.#/24 netcfg/get_gateway=#.#.#.# netcfg/get_nameservers=8.8.4.4 netcfg/confirm_static=true tasks=standard base-installer/install-recommends=false
--
Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
based on faith, not based on science.
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-07-02 00:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CwcT0-459-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #236721 |
On Thu 01 Jul 2021 at 16:34:46 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > Brian composed on 2021-07-01 21:05 (UTC+0100): > > > On Thu 01 Jul 2021 at 12:40:05 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > > >> Dunno what to tell you. Maybe that's because I always include also > > >> tasks=standard > > > Extremely unlikely. In fact, impossible. > > Interesting claim. Care to explain further? Not particularly. The standard task does not pull in anything to account for mine or Richard's observations. In fact, I did not install it. Over to you and your imagination. -- Brian.
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-07-02 12:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Cwo7M-2MN-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #236724 |
On 07/01/2021 04:52 PM, Brian wrote: > On Thu 01 Jul 2021 at 16:34:46 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > >> Brian composed on 2021-07-01 21:05 (UTC+0100): >> >>> On Thu 01 Jul 2021 at 12:40:05 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: >> >>>> Dunno what to tell you. Maybe that's because I always include also >> >>>> tasks=standard >> >>> Extremely unlikely. In fact, impossible. >> >> Interesting claim. Care to explain further? > > Not particularly. The standard task does not pull in anything to > account for mine or Richard's observations. That has not been established. > In fact, I did not install it. *BUT* I had made the assumption that his use of "tasks=standard" was functionally equivalent to me checking "standard system utilities" in the menu. I suspect that what the installer does when I check mark any menu item may not match what I expect. > > Over to you and your imagination. > Courtesy please.
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-07-02 12:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Cwor7-39G-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #236737 |
On Fri 02 Jul 2021 at 04:55:04 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 07/01/2021 04:52 PM, Brian wrote: > > On Thu 01 Jul 2021 at 16:34:46 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > > > > > Brian composed on 2021-07-01 21:05 (UTC+0100): > > > > > > > On Thu 01 Jul 2021 at 12:40:05 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > > > > > > > > Dunno what to tell you. Maybe that's because I always include also > > > > > tasks=standard > > > > Extremely unlikely. In fact, impossible. > > > > > > Interesting claim. Care to explain further? > > > > Not particularly. The standard task does not pull in anything to > > account for mine or Richard's observations. > > That has not been established. It has been here. > > In fact, I did not install it. > > *BUT* I had made the assumption that his use of "tasks=standard" was > functionally equivalent to me checking "standard system utilities" in the > menu. It is. > I suspect that what the installer does when I check mark any menu item may > not match what I expect. Probably. > > > > Over to you and your imagination. > > > > Courtesy please. Indeed. Apologies, Felix. -- Brian.
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-07-02 21:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CwwI2-8fr-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #236738 |
On Fri 02 Jul 2021 at 11:09:58 +0100, Brian wrote: > Indeed. Apologies, Felix. Having said that, perhaps installing in the same way as two other users have idicaated would allow you to make a useful contriburion without having to rely on memory. -- Brian.
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-07-01 22:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Cwbkd-3km-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #236711 |
On 07/01/2021 11:40 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
> Richard Owlett composed on 2021-07-01 08:00 (UTC-0500):
>
>> Felix Miata wrote:
>
>>> Richard Owlett composed on 2021-06-30 08:43 (UTC-0500):
>
>>>> I don't recall just when I
>>>> did it but I had tried including "install-recommends=false" somewhere in
>>>> the command line. It failed.
>>> I start most installations with Grub. Nearly always I start with a minimal
>>> installation. On the linu lines in these files is:
>
>>> base-installer/install-recommends=false
>
>> I tried that this morning.
>> I did *NOT* get the desired result.
>> I got all the "recommended" packages of MATE Desktop Environment.
>> Just as if I hadn't specified otherwise on the installer command line :{
>
> Dunno what to tell you. Maybe that's because I always include also
>
> tasks=standard
>
> I only add a desktop after first boot into the fresh minimal installation.
>
> What other command line options did you use?
>
None other added to defaults.
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