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  Server setup Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-13 01:10 +0200
    Re: Server setup Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2021-06-13 15:30 +0200
      Re: Server setup Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-13 19:00 +0200
        Re: Server setup Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-13 20:00 +0200
          Re: Server setup john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2021-06-13 20:20 +0200
            Re: Server setup Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-13 20:30 +0200
            Re: Server setup john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2021-06-13 21:00 +0200
              Re: Server setup Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2021-06-13 21:40 +0200
                Re: Server setup Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-13 21:50 +0200
                  Re: Server setup Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-06-13 22:00 +0200
                    Re: Server setup Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-13 22:50 +0200
                    Re: Server setup Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-13 22:50 +0200
                      Emphasis notation in plain-text mail (was Re: Server setup) The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-06-13 23:00 +0200
                        Re: Emphasis notation in plain-text mail (was Re: Server setup) The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-06-13 23:40 +0200
                          Re: Emphasis notation in plain-text mail (was Re: Server setup) Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-14 12:50 +0200
                          Re: Emphasis notation in plain-text mail (was Re: Server setup) Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-06-15 00:00 +0200
                        Re: Emphasis notation in plain-text mail (was Re: Server setup) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-13 23:40 +0200
            Re: Server setup deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-06-14 00:20 +0200
          Re: Server setup deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-06-14 00:30 +0200
            Re: Server setup Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-06-14 12:30 +0200
          Re: Server setup David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-06-14 17:30 +0200
            Re: Server setup Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-14 18:40 +0200
              Re: Server setup Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2021-06-14 22:00 +0200
                Re: Server setup Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-14 22:40 +0200
                  Re: Server setup Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2021-06-14 23:20 +0200
                  Re: Server setup Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-06-14 23:30 +0200
                    Re: Server setup Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-06-15 00:20 +0200
                    Re: Server setup Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2021-06-15 03:50 +0200
                  Re: Server setup Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-15 06:30 +0200
                    Re: Server setup David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-06-15 07:10 +0200
                      Re: Server setup Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-16 09:30 +0200
                  Re: Server setup David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-06-15 07:00 +0200
              Re: Server setup David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-06-15 07:00 +0200
        Re: Server setup Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2021-06-13 20:00 +0200

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#236048 — Server setup

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Hi !
I'm renting a server with one-provider (OVH).

I have a choice of OS and it does a great job running Debian Buster.
But...

The "standard" installation give me one partition in RAID mirror ( 3 x 2
To). So I get only a big root partition and nothing else....

I don't have access to my server with a KVM, so all has to be done thru
the network using a recovery (rescue) option. That is, I was able to
reboot in rescue mode, use debootstrap to populate a new system.

Where it did fail was for the reboot.

The machine doesn't seem to use EFI (like most server) and I only see
the following partition using the automatic installer.

root@polynamaude:~# fdisk -l /dev/sda
Disk /dev/sda: 1.8 TiB, 2000398934016 bytes, 3907029168 sectors
Disk model: HGST HUS724020AL
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: gpt
Disk identifier: CCB4C5CB-BB03-4D36-B307-AF5B5BF830A1

Device          Start        End    Sectors   Size Type
/dev/sda1          34       2008       1975 987.5K BIOS boot
/dev/sda2        2009 3905976495 3905974487   1.8T Linux RAID
/dev/sda3  3905976496 3907025071    1048576   512M Linux filesystem
/dev/sda4  3907025072 3907029134       4063     2M Linux filesystem

So I can see it's a gpt table....
But I get a bit lost when it's time to use grub to setup my machine by
remote.

Someone has a clue ?

Yes it's not a huge power horse but I plan to make it usable as a mirror
for the community (Debian) so help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#236058

On 6/13/21 2:01 AM, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi !
> I'm renting a server with one-provider (OVH).
> 
> I have a choice of OS and it does a great job running Debian Buster.
> But...
> 
> The "standard" installation give me one partition in RAID mirror ( 3 x 2
> To). So I get only a big root partition and nothing else....
> 
> I don't have access to my server with a KVM, so all has to be done thru
> the network using a recovery (rescue) option. That is, I was able to
> reboot in rescue mode, use debootstrap to populate a new system.
> 
> Where it did fail was for the reboot.
> 
> The machine doesn't seem to use EFI (like most server) and I only see
> the following partition using the automatic installer.
> 
> root@polynamaude:~# fdisk -l /dev/sda
> Disk /dev/sda: 1.8 TiB, 2000398934016 bytes, 3907029168 sectors
> Disk model: HGST HUS724020AL
> Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> Disklabel type: gpt
> Disk identifier: CCB4C5CB-BB03-4D36-B307-AF5B5BF830A1
> 
> Device          Start        End    Sectors   Size Type
> /dev/sda1          34       2008       1975 987.5K BIOS boot
> /dev/sda2        2009 3905976495 3905974487   1.8T Linux RAID
> /dev/sda3  3905976496 3907025071    1048576   512M Linux filesystem
> /dev/sda4  3907025072 3907029134       4063     2M Linux filesystem
> 
> So I can see it's a gpt table....
> But I get a bit lost when it's time to use grub to setup my machine by
> remote.
> 
> Someone has a clue ?
> 
> Yes it's not a huge power horse but I plan to make it usable as a mirror
> for the community (Debian) so help will be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> 


Hi Polyna-Maude,

I didn't understand what you problems were. Using GPT partition table
with BIOS (not UEFI) is just fine therefore you have "BIOS boot"
partition for the second stage of Grub. If you have problems with
partitioning or other part of initial Debian installation I recommend to
ask OVH's support. In the past they had wizard where you can configure
partitions. ... and don't forget to configure IPv6, according to
statistics provided by Google, 1/3 of their users use IPv6.

Kind regards
Georgi

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#236067

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Hi,

>> I have a choice of OS and it does a great job running Debian Buster.
>> But...
>>
>> The "standard" installation give me one partition in RAID mirror ( 3 x 2
>> To). So I get only a big root partition and nothing else....
>>
>> I don't have access to my server with a KVM, so all has to be done thru
>> the network using a recovery (rescue) option. That is, I was able to
>> reboot in rescue mode, use debootstrap to populate a new system.
>>
>> Where it did fail was for the reboot.
> 
> Hi Polyna-Maude,
> 
> I didn't understand what you problems were. Using GPT partition table
> with BIOS (not UEFI) is just fine therefore you have "BIOS boot"
> partition for the second stage of Grub. If you have problems with
> partitioning or other part of initial Debian installation I recommend to
> ask OVH's support. In the past they had wizard where you can configure
> partitions. ... and don't forget to configure IPv6, according to
> statistics provided by Google, 1/3 of their users use IPv6.
> 
> Kind regards
> Georgi
> 

If you read the part of my message I've left you'll see that :

1st, I'm using a OVH server but it's provided by one-provider, so the
interface (aka Wizard) ain't the same.

2nd, I am asking how to do something using command line interface. So
don,t tell me "Hey dude, use a wizard".

3rd, regarding contacting tech support. You really think it's OVH's job
to explain to me how to install OS using network boot and a shell
interface ? I doubt....

Just a little hint for life... If someone is telling you, I'm fucked
using a CLI and they seem to have a basic knowledge of what they are
doing. Then think twice and you'll get in your mind that they've already
exhausted the easy one of using a click and poop solution like a wizard.
-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#236069

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Hi,

On 2021-06-13 1:52 p.m., Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
> On 6/13/21 7:53 PM, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>>> I have a choice of OS and it does a great job running Debian Buster.
>>>> But...
>>>>
>>>> The "standard" installation give me one partition in RAID mirror ( 3 x 2
>>>> To). So I get only a big root partition and nothing else....
>>>>
>>>> I don't have access to my server with a KVM, so all has to be done thru
>>>> the network using a recovery (rescue) option. That is, I was able to
>>>> reboot in rescue mode, use debootstrap to populate a new system.
>>>>
>>>> Where it did fail was for the reboot.
>>>
>>> Hi Polyna-Maude,
>>>
>>> I didn't understand what you problems were. Using GPT partition table
>>> with BIOS (not UEFI) is just fine therefore you have "BIOS boot"
>>> partition for the second stage of Grub. If you have problems with
>>> partitioning or other part of initial Debian installation I recommend to
>>> ask OVH's support. In the past they had wizard where you can configure
>>> partitions. ... and don't forget to configure IPv6, according to
>>> statistics provided by Google, 1/3 of their users use IPv6.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Georgi
>>>
>>
>> If you read the part of my message I've left you'll see that :
>>
>> 1st, I'm using a OVH server but it's provided by one-provider, so the
>> interface (aka Wizard) ain't the same.
>>
>> 2nd, I am asking how to do something using command line interface. So
>> don,t tell me "Hey dude, use a wizard".
>>
>> 3rd, regarding contacting tech support. You really think it's OVH's job
>> to explain to me how to install OS using network boot and a shell
>> interface ? I doubt....
>>
>> Just a little hint for life... If someone is telling you, I'm fucked
>> using a CLI and they seem to have a basic knowledge of what they are
>> doing. Then think twice and you'll get in your mind that they've already
>> exhausted the easy one of using a click and poop solution like a wizard.
>>
> 
> Dear Polyna-Maude,
> 
> I'm very sorry if I have made you feel bad.
> 
> I have not used dedicated servers for years so excuse me for not being
> familiar with OVH or whatever company you use for VPS or dedicated
> servers. My point is that there should be something like configurator
> (wizard, template or whatever) what has to help you to do initial
> configuration of OS - partitions, RAID level, network configuration and
> minimal OS installation, and - yes - if that is not Debian installer
> then yes - you can ask technical support to provide information for the
> tool they use.
> 
> Kind regards
> Georgi
> 

You must also have a huge need to answer question without reading what
they are.

I ain't using the Debian installer because I don't have access to the
KVM (Keyboard, Mouse, etc).

So if you read back my message.
I boot using a rescue system over the network.
I do my partition.
I make the filesystem.
I mount.
I use debootstrap.
And after I need to configure boot, this is where it blocks.

Got it now ?

So how useful is your answer to use "the wizard in the installer ?".
And no there's no configuration helper (said it for the 3rd time now).

If you can't help... Just a hint, do same as I do, you let other people
answer.
-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#236072

On 6/13/2021 7:57 PM, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2021-06-13 1:52 p.m., Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
>> On 6/13/21 7:53 PM, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> If you read the part of my message I've left you'll see that :
>>>
>>> 1st, I'm using a OVH server but it's provided by one-provider, so the
>>> interface (aka Wizard) ain't the same.
>>>
>>> 2nd, I am asking how to do something using command line interface. So
>>> don,t tell me "Hey dude, use a wizard".
>>>
>>> 3rd, regarding contacting tech support. You really think it's OVH's job
>>> to explain to me how to install OS using network boot and a shell
>>> interface ? I doubt....
>>>
>>> Just a little hint for life... If someone is telling you, I'm fucked
>>> using a CLI and they seem to have a basic knowledge of what they are
>>> doing. Then think twice and you'll get in your mind that they've already
>>> exhausted the easy one of using a click and poop solution like a wizard.
>>>
>>
>> Dear Polyna-Maude,
>>
>> I'm very sorry if I have made you feel bad.
>>
>> I have not used dedicated servers for years so excuse me for not being
>> familiar with OVH or whatever company you use for VPS or dedicated
>> servers. My point is that there should be something like configurator
>> (wizard, template or whatever) what has to help you to do initial
>> configuration of OS - partitions, RAID level, network configuration and
>> minimal OS installation, and - yes - if that is not Debian installer
>> then yes - you can ask technical support to provide information for the
>> tool they use.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Georgi
>>
>
> You must also have a huge need to answer question without reading what
> they are.
>

The same as yours spitting out the same thing for the third time.

> I ain't using the Debian installer because I don't have access to the
> KVM (Keyboard, Mouse, etc).
>
> So if you read back my message.
> I boot using a rescue system over the network.
> I do my partition.
> I make the filesystem.
> I mount.
> I use debootstrap.
> And after I need to configure boot, this is where it blocks.
> So how useful is your answer to use "the wizard in the installer ?".
> And no there's no configuration helper (said it for the 3rd time now).
>

Apparently you are not here to get some help.

> If you can't help... Just a hint, do same as I do, you let other people
> answer.
>

If you can't express yourself clearly enough, that is where the issue
lies not on the person trying to help you.

Assuming that you are hoping for an answer, please be mindful of the
tone you use.

--
John Doe

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#236073

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Hi !
Tell me where it's not clear :

--- Start of original message ---
Hi !
I'm renting a server with one-provider (OVH).

I have a choice of OS and it does a great job running Debian Buster.
But...

The "standard" installation give me one partition in RAID mirror ( 3 x 2
To). So I get only a big root partition and nothing else....

I don't have access to my server with a KVM, so all has to be done thru
the network using a recovery (rescue) option. That is, I was able to
reboot in rescue mode, use debootstrap to populate a new system.

Where it did fail was for the reboot.

The machine doesn't seem to use EFI (like most server) and I only see
the following partition using the automatic installer.

root@polynamaude:~# fdisk -l /dev/sda
Disk /dev/sda: 1.8 TiB, 2000398934016 bytes, 3907029168 sectors
Disk model: HGST HUS724020AL
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: gpt
Disk identifier: CCB4C5CB-BB03-4D36-B307-AF5B5BF830A1

Device          Start        End    Sectors   Size Type
/dev/sda1          34       2008       1975 987.5K BIOS boot
/dev/sda2        2009 3905976495 3905974487   1.8T Linux RAID
/dev/sda3  3905976496 3907025071    1048576   512M Linux filesystem
/dev/sda4  3907025072 3907029134       4063     2M Linux filesystem

So I can see it's a gpt table....
But I get a bit lost when it's time to use grub to setup my machine by
remote.

Someone has a clue ?

Yes it's not a huge power horse but I plan to make it usable as a mirror
for the community (Debian) so help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

---

On 2021-06-13 2:12 p.m., john doe wrote:
> On 6/13/2021 7:57 PM, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 2021-06-13 1:52 p.m., Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
>>> On 6/13/21 7:53 PM, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you read the part of my message I've left you'll see that :
>>>>
>>>> 1st, I'm using a OVH server but it's provided by one-provider, so the
>>>> interface (aka Wizard) ain't the same.
>>>>
>>>> 2nd, I am asking how to do something using command line interface. So
>>>> don,t tell me "Hey dude, use a wizard".
>>>>
>>>> 3rd, regarding contacting tech support. You really think it's OVH's job
>>>> to explain to me how to install OS using network boot and a shell
>>>> interface ? I doubt....
>>>>
>>>> Just a little hint for life... If someone is telling you, I'm fucked
>>>> using a CLI and they seem to have a basic knowledge of what they are
>>>> doing. Then think twice and you'll get in your mind that they've
>>>> already
>>>> exhausted the easy one of using a click and poop solution like a
>>>> wizard.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Polyna-Maude,
>>>
>>> I'm very sorry if I have made you feel bad.
>>>
>>> I have not used dedicated servers for years so excuse me for not being
>>> familiar with OVH or whatever company you use for VPS or dedicated
>>> servers. My point is that there should be something like configurator
>>> (wizard, template or whatever) what has to help you to do initial
>>> configuration of OS - partitions, RAID level, network configuration and
>>> minimal OS installation, and - yes - if that is not Debian installer
>>> then yes - you can ask technical support to provide information for the
>>> tool they use.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Georgi
>>>
>>
>> You must also have a huge need to answer question without reading what
>> they are.
>>
> 
> The same as yours spitting out the same thing for the third time.
> 
>> I ain't using the Debian installer because I don't have access to the
>> KVM (Keyboard, Mouse, etc).
>>
>> So if you read back my message.
>> I boot using a rescue system over the network.
>> I do my partition.
>> I make the filesystem.
>> I mount.
>> I use debootstrap.
>> And after I need to configure boot, this is where it blocks.
>> So how useful is your answer to use "the wizard in the installer ?".
>> And no there's no configuration helper (said it for the 3rd time now).
>>
> 
> Apparently you are not here to get some help.
> 
>> If you can't help... Just a hint, do same as I do, you let other people
>> answer.
>>
> 
> If you can't express yourself clearly enough, that is where the issue
> lies not on the person trying to help you.
> 
> Assuming that you are hoping for an answer, please be mindful of the
> tone you use.
> 
> -- 
> John Doe
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#236074

On 6/13/2021 8:12 PM, john doe wrote:
> On 6/13/2021 7:57 PM, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 2021-06-13 1:52 p.m., Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
>>> On 6/13/21 7:53 PM, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you read the part of my message I've left you'll see that :
>>>>
>>>> 1st, I'm using a OVH server but it's provided by one-provider, so the
>>>> interface (aka Wizard) ain't the same.
>>>>
>>>> 2nd, I am asking how to do something using command line interface. So
>>>> don,t tell me "Hey dude, use a wizard".
>>>>
>>>> 3rd, regarding contacting tech support. You really think it's OVH's job
>>>> to explain to me how to install OS using network boot and a shell
>>>> interface ? I doubt....
>>>>
>>>> Just a little hint for life... If someone is telling you, I'm fucked
>>>> using a CLI and they seem to have a basic knowledge of what they are
>>>> doing. Then think twice and you'll get in your mind that they've
>>>> already
>>>> exhausted the easy one of using a click and poop solution like a
>>>> wizard.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Polyna-Maude,
>>>
>>> I'm very sorry if I have made you feel bad.
>>>
>>> I have not used dedicated servers for years so excuse me for not being
>>> familiar with OVH or whatever company you use for VPS or dedicated
>>> servers. My point is that there should be something like configurator
>>> (wizard, template or whatever) what has to help you to do initial
>>> configuration of OS - partitions, RAID level, network configuration and
>>> minimal OS installation, and - yes - if that is not Debian installer
>>> then yes - you can ask technical support to provide information for the
>>> tool they use.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Georgi
>>>
>>
>> You must also have a huge need to answer question without reading what
>> they are.
>>
>
> The same as yours spitting out the same thing for the third time.
>

To 'Georgi Naplatanov', my inttention was not to imply that your answer
was bad/incorrect.

My apologies if this was the case.

--
John Doe

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#236076

On 6/13/21 9:50 PM, john doe wrote:
> On 6/13/2021 8:12 PM, john doe wrote:
>> On 6/13/2021 7:57 PM, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 2021-06-13 1:52 p.m., Georgi Naplatanov wrote:
>>>> On 6/13/21 7:53 PM, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you read the part of my message I've left you'll see that :
>>>>>
>>>>> 1st, I'm using a OVH server but it's provided by one-provider, so the
>>>>> interface (aka Wizard) ain't the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2nd, I am asking how to do something using command line interface. So
>>>>> don,t tell me "Hey dude, use a wizard".
>>>>>
>>>>> 3rd, regarding contacting tech support. You really think it's OVH's
>>>>> job
>>>>> to explain to me how to install OS using network boot and a shell
>>>>> interface ? I doubt....
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a little hint for life... If someone is telling you, I'm fucked
>>>>> using a CLI and they seem to have a basic knowledge of what they are
>>>>> doing. Then think twice and you'll get in your mind that they've
>>>>> already
>>>>> exhausted the easy one of using a click and poop solution like a
>>>>> wizard.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Polyna-Maude,
>>>>
>>>> I'm very sorry if I have made you feel bad.
>>>>
>>>> I have not used dedicated servers for years so excuse me for not being
>>>> familiar with OVH or whatever company you use for VPS or dedicated
>>>> servers. My point is that there should be something like configurator
>>>> (wizard, template or whatever) what has to help you to do initial
>>>> configuration of OS - partitions, RAID level, network configuration and
>>>> minimal OS installation, and - yes - if that is not Debian installer
>>>> then yes - you can ask technical support to provide information for the
>>>> tool they use.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Georgi
>>>>
>>>
>>> You must also have a huge need to answer question without reading what
>>> they are.
>>>
>>
>> The same as yours spitting out the same thing for the third time.
>>
> 
> To 'Georgi Naplatanov', my inttention was not to imply that your answer
> was bad/incorrect.
> 
> My apologies if this was the case.
> 
> -- 
> John Doe
> 


No problem John.

Have a nice day/night.

Kind regards
Georgi

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#236077

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It's not a thing of being rude or not.
But please, take time to read what the person ask before writing a answer.

If you ask "Is there a good software for bitmap imaging" and I answer
"You shall try Inkscape". What will you think ? That you are looking for
a bitmap editor not a vector based...

And you'll consider my answer quite useless.

>>>
>>> The same as yours spitting out the same thing for the third time.
>>>
>>
>> To 'Georgi Naplatanov', my inttention was not to imply that your answer
>> was bad/incorrect.
>>
>> My apologies if this was the case.
>>
>> -- 
>> John Doe
>>
> 
> 
> No problem John.
> 
> Have a nice day/night.
> 
> Kind regards
> Georgi
> 

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#236080

On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 03:44:26PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> It's not a thing of being rude or not.
> But please, take time to read what the person ask before writing a answer.

But you never actually *asked* anything in your original message.

You *implied* that you wanted to change the way your disk was partitioned,
but you never actually *said* it.  Nor did you say *why* you wanted to
change it.  Nor did you tell us what you had already tried, or how it
failed.

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#236081

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Hi,

On 2021-06-13 3:51 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 03:44:26PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>> It's not a thing of being rude or not.
>> But please, take time to read what the person ask before writing a answer.
> 
> But you never actually *asked* anything in your original message.
> 
> You *implied* that you wanted to change the way your disk was partitioned,
> but you never actually *said* it.  Nor did you say *why* you wanted to
> change it.  Nor did you tell us what you had already tried, or how it
> failed.
> 


I'll write back another message then.

And add that :
I don't need help to get my disk partitioned.

That I need help with the configuration of my boot disk.

After doing my chroot post debootstrap, I run grub-install.
How do I make the setup properly.

So I'll add all those information and do it again.

On this point, maybe I wasn't enough specific on what I asked.
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Hi,

On 2021-06-13 3:51 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 03:44:26PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>> It's not a thing of being rude or not.
>> But please, take time to read what the person ask before writing a answer.
> 
> But you never actually *asked* anything in your original message.
> 
> You *implied* that you wanted to change the way your disk was partitioned,
> but you never actually *said* it.  Nor did you say *why* you wanted to
> change it.  Nor did you tell us what you had already tried, or how it
> failed.
> 

How do you make the text bold ?
The * is enough ?
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#236083 — Emphasis notation in plain-text mail (was Re: Server setup)

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On 2021-06-13 at 16:42, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

> How do you make the text bold ? The * is enough ?

You don't. How the text is rendered depends entirely on the mail client
the person is using, and potentially on the configuration of that client.

Some clients - including the one I'm using, and apparently also the one
you're using - will interpret *asterisks* as meaning that the enclosed
text should be rendered as boldface; mine also interprets /slashes/ as
indicating that the enclosed text should be rendered in italics, and may
also interpret _underscores_ as meaning that the enclosed text should be
rendered with an underline.

(In principle the same thing could also be extended to -hyphens- meaning
the enclosed text should be rendered as strikethrough, but I don't think
I've seen that in practice.)

Other clients will interpret the asterisks, etc., literally, and will
not apply any special formatting because of them. You can't affect that.


So, in brief: if you want to convey emphasis, feel free to use
*asterisks* or /slashes/ or _underscores_. Some clients will apply
formatting as a result of seeing that; others won't, but the people
reading the text may still interpret the annotations as indicating
emphasis anyway.

I got started using *asterisks* well before I was using a client that
would apply special formatting for them, so I naturally interpret them
as indicating emphasis, even with no special formatting in place; I
expect there are probably many other people out there with the same
conditioning.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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#236084 — Re: Emphasis notation in plain-text mail (was Re: Server setup)

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On 2021-06-13 at 17:30, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On 2021-06-13 4:50 p.m., The Wanderer wrote:
> 
>> On 2021-06-13 at 16:42, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>> 
>>> How do you make the text bold ? The * is enough ?
>> 
>> You don't. How the text is rendered depends entirely on the mail
>> client the person is using, and potentially on the configuration of
>> that client.
> 
> I didn't have in mind that message client could render some
> derivative of Markdown.

If I'm not mistaken, if anything it's actually more of an ancestor; I
first heard of Markdown well after this was already long-established.

> But, now I know ;-)
> 
> Regarding the asterisks, I used them in many text to make emphasis,
> including in some text that go out in printed form. Started doing so
> when I was still in university and transcribing my notes after the
> day.

Certainly better than the current apparent trend of using quotation
marks to do so...

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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#236099 — Re: Emphasis notation in plain-text mail (was Re: Server setup)

On 06/13/2021 04:36 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2021-06-13 at 17:30, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> ...
>>
>> Regarding the asterisks, I used them in many text to make emphasis,
>> including in some text that go out in printed form. Started doing so
>> when I was still in university and transcribing my notes after the
>> day.
> 
> Certainly better than the current apparent trend of using quotation
> marks to do so...
> 

Those of us who learned to read and write in the 50's may interpret a 
word surrounded by quotation marks as having a different, or even 
contrary, meaning compared to a dictionary's entry.

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#236108 — Re: Emphasis notation in plain-text mail (was Re: Server setup)

On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 05:36:39PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>If I'm not mistaken, if anything it's actually more of an ancestor;

That's right. Quoting the original Markdown page[1]:

> the single biggest source of inspiration for Markdown’s syntax is the
> format of plain text email.

[1] https://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/


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#236085 — Re: Emphasis notation in plain-text mail (was Re: Server setup)

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Hi,

On 2021-06-13 4:50 p.m., The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2021-06-13 at 16:42, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> 
>> How do you make the text bold ? The * is enough ?
> 
> You don't. How the text is rendered depends entirely on the mail client
> the person is using, and potentially on the configuration of that client.
> 
I didn't have in mind that message client could render some derivative
of Markdown.

But, now I know ;-)

Regarding the asterisks, I used them in many text to make emphasis,
including in some text that go out in printed form. Started doing so
when I was still in university and transcribing my notes after the day.

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#236086

john doe wrote:

> Apparently you are not here to get some help.

No she is, but she doesn't know how ... 

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#236087

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Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

> So if you read back my message.
> I boot using a rescue system over the network.
> I do my partition.
> I make the filesystem.
> I mount.
> I use debootstrap.
> And after I need to configure boot, this is where it blocks.
> 
> Got it now ?


At least now I understood the problem.

After dbootstrap you should chroot and execute grub-install and update-grub
or vice versa. Of course it could be necessary to update some
configurations.

I attach here my installation notes I applied to USB-Stick. It should apply
to your use case as well (I hope)

Ah and if you find some pieces to improve, let me know.

regards

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#236098

On 06/13/2021 05:23 PM, deloptes wrote:
> Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> 
>> So if you read back my message.
>> I boot using a rescue system over the network.
>> I do my partition.
>> I make the filesystem.
>> I mount.
>> I use debootstrap.
>> And after I need to configure boot, this is where it blocks.
>>
>> Got it now ?
> 
> 
> At least now I understood the problem.
> 
> After dbootstrap you should chroot and execute grub-install and update-grub
> or vice versa. Of course it could be necessary to update some
> configurations.
> 
> I attach here my installation notes I applied to USB-Stick. It should apply
> to your use case as well (I hope)
> 
> Ah and if you find some pieces to improve, let me know.
> 
> regards

Between Polyna-Maude's outline above of the installation process and 
deloptes' "Debootstrap_Into_USB-Stick" I think I understand why I was 
unsuccessful using debootstrap when I first encountered Debian a decade ago.

I think I also see a common theme between this thread and my old 
problem. There is a difference of "world view" between Debian experts 
and non-experts which causes a breakdown in communication, the same 
sentence conveying quite different information to the two groups.

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