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| Started by | "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> |
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| First post | 2021-06-09 19:00 +0200 |
| Last post | 2021-06-09 23:10 +0200 |
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Slightly off-topic: anybody know of a way to keep one's Debian User List posts from failing DMARC? "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2021-06-09 19:00 +0200
Re: Slightly off-topic: anybody know of a way to keep one's Debian User List posts from failing DMARC? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-06-09 19:30 +0200
Re: Slightly off-topic: anybody know of a way to keep one's Debian User List posts from failing DMARC? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-06-09 19:40 +0200
Re: Slightly off-topic: anybody know of a way to keep one's Debian User List posts from failing DMARC? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2021-06-09 23:10 +0200
| From | "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> |
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| Date | 2021-06-09 19:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Slightly off-topic: anybody know of a way to keep one's Debian User List posts from failing DMARC? |
| Message-ID | <Co9IB-1qY-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
Please excuse the off-topic post, but I'm hoping this has come up with others here: I've been tasked with implementing DMARC on our domain. And I'm told that the Debian List Server doesn't rewrite "From" headers for DMARC-enabled senders, and neither does it do anything else to handle DMARC-enabled senders. -- James H. H. Lampert Touchtone Corporation
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| From | Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> |
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| Date | 2021-06-09 19:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Slightly off-topic: anybody know of a way to keep one's Debian User List posts from failing DMARC? |
| Message-ID | <CoabF-1Pu-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #235958 |
James H. H. Lampert wrote: > Please excuse the off-topic post, but I'm hoping this has come up with > others here: > > I've been tasked with implementing DMARC on our domain. And I'm told that > the Debian List Server doesn't rewrite "From" headers for DMARC-enabled > senders, and neither does it do anything else to handle DMARC-enabled > senders. DMARC is one of many factors your mail servers need to consider when deciding whether to accept, bounce or silently drop a piece of mail. It is perfectly reasonable to set DMARC as a strong but not overwhelming factor, and then to write allow lists based on, for example: List-Id: <debian-user.lists.debian.org> which is a pretty good representation that this is Debian mail. So good, in fact, that RFC2919 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2919 suggests it. -dsr-
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-06-09 19:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Slightly off-topic: anybody know of a way to keep one's Debian User List posts from failing DMARC? |
| Message-ID | <Coalk-1Sy-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #235958 |
James H. H. Lampert wrote: > Please excuse the off-topic post, but I'm hoping this has come up with > others here: > > I've been tasked with implementing DMARC on our domain. And I'm told > that the Debian List Server doesn't rewrite "From" headers for > DMARC-enabled senders, and neither does it do anything else to handle > DMARC-enabled senders. Couple of years ago, when I was working with a Telco they implemented DMARC and were thinking it will be soon very strict, but it turned out many implemented different policies and as Dan Ritter said, it is one important factor. Back then (2016) I asked the Telco people (as part of the BA) how many responses (mails with statistics) they would expect from the peers - they said they would expect that the major players would do DMARC - respectively we setup a DB based on this assumption ... well the moment we turned the collection on - the DB exploded because it was tausends of domains already implementing DMARK with SPF and sending back the statistics.
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| From | Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> |
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| Date | 2021-06-09 23:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Slightly off-topic: anybody know of a way to keep one's Debian User List posts from failing DMARC? |
| Message-ID | <CodCx-41R-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #235958 |
Hello, On Wed, Jun 09, 2021 at 09:58:13AM -0700, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > I'm told that the Debian List Server doesn't rewrite "From" > headers for DMARC-enabled senders, and neither does it do anything > else to handle DMARC-enabled senders. Correct, so the SPF test will always fail as the list pretends to be your domain when it sends out mail from you. But the DKIM test can still pass, because the Debian list software does not alter the body of your mail or any of the headers you are likely to sign with DKIM. And indeed, your email that I am replying to was a DKIM pass and thus would be a DMARC pass as only one of the two is needed. Many mailing lists modify the body, e.g. to prepend tags to the subject and/or to append a footer with list information. These mailing lists can never pass DKIM because the mail content is signed. Their only option if they care about a DMARC pass is to rewrite the sender address so that their mail comes from their own domain, then they can make SPF and DKIM pass and alter the content as they like. You will see many DMARC failures from such mailing lists. Cheers, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
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