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How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of software/security updates?

Started byStella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com>
First post2021-05-25 19:30 +0200
Last post2021-06-04 11:10 +0200
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  How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-05-25 19:30 +0200
    Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-05-25 21:10 +0200
      Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-05-25 22:50 +0200
        Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-05-25 23:00 +0200
          Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-05-25 23:10 +0200
        Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Keith Bainbridge <keithrbaugroups@gmail.com> - 2021-05-26 01:50 +0200
          Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-05-26 04:00 +0200
            Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-05-26 05:00 +0200
          Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-05-26 03:40 +0200
            Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Keith Bainbridge <keithrbaugroups@gmail.com> - 2021-05-26 06:00 +0200
            Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? l0f4r0@tuta.io - 2021-05-26 14:30 +0200
              Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-05-27 08:50 +0200
              Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? l0f4r0@tuta.io - 2021-05-27 22:10 +0200
                Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-05-28 02:50 +0200
                  Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-05-29 08:50 +0200
                    Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-05-29 19:10 +0200
                      Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-05-30 09:40 +0200
                Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? l0f4r0@tuta.io - 2021-05-28 13:50 +0200
                  Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-05-28 14:10 +0200
                    Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-05-28 20:50 +0200
                      Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-05-28 21:00 +0200
                        Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-05-29 01:40 +0200
                      Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-05-29 09:10 +0200
                        Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? l0f4r0@tuta.io - 2021-05-29 11:30 +0200
                          Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-05-30 13:10 +0200
                            Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-05-30 15:10 +0200
                            Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-05-30 15:50 +0200
                            Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-05-30 17:10 +0200
                            Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? l0f4r0@tuta.io - 2021-06-02 09:10 +0200
                              Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-06-02 13:10 +0200
                                Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? l0f4r0@tuta.io - 2021-06-02 13:50 +0200
                                  Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-06-02 18:30 +0200
                                    Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-06-02 18:40 +0200
                                      Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-06-02 19:00 +0200
                                        Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of          software/security updates? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2021-06-02 21:10 +0200
                                          Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-06-02 21:50 +0200
                                          Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-06-03 21:20 +0200
                                      Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-06-03 04:00 +0200
                                        Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-06-04 02:20 +0200
                                          Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? "Thomas D. Dean" <tomdean@wavecable.com> - 2021-06-04 04:50 +0200
                                            Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-06-04 08:20 +0200
                                              Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? "Thomas D. Dean" <tomdean@wavecable.com> - 2021-06-04 12:10 +0200
                                                Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-06-04 12:50 +0200
                                                  Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-06-04 17:40 +0200
                                          Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-06-04 14:00 +0200
                                            Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-04 14:40 +0200
                                              Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-06-04 17:40 +0200
                                            Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-06-04 15:30 +0200
                                              Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-04 19:40 +0200
                                      Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-06-03 04:00 +0200
                        Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-05-29 15:00 +0200
                          Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-05-30 12:50 +0200
                            Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-05-30 13:20 +0200
                            Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-05-30 13:10 +0200
                        Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-05-30 13:00 +0200
                  Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-05-28 20:30 +0200
                Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? l0f4r0@tuta.io - 2021-05-28 14:10 +0200
                  Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-05-29 01:40 +0200
                  Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-06-01 19:30 +0200
                    Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-06-01 20:00 +0200
                    Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-06-01 20:10 +0200
                  Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-06-01 19:20 +0200
                    Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-06-01 20:30 +0200
                  Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-06-01 13:20 +0200
                    Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-06-01 15:50 +0200
                    Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-06-01 15:30 +0200
    Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-05-25 21:20 +0200
      Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-05-25 23:00 +0200
        Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-05-25 23:40 +0200
    Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-05-25 23:10 +0200
    Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2021-06-02 22:00 +0200
      Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? l0f4r0@tuta.io - 2021-06-02 22:10 +0200
        Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-06-03 21:10 +0200
      Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-06-03 03:50 +0200
        Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2021-06-03 22:20 +0200
          Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-06-03 22:30 +0200
          Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-06-04 02:10 +0200
            Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of  software/security updates? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-06-04 11:10 +0200

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#235787

FromReco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net>
Date2021-06-01 20:10 +0200
Message-ID<ClgZX-2GS-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#235765
	Hi.

On Tue, Jun 01, 2021 at 07:27:22PM +0200, Stella Ashburne wrote:
> > I'm curious what will be shown in this configuration by:
> >
> > apt-config dump | grep Periodic
> >
> One kind person has already asked me for the output of

My bad. I haven't followed this thread closely until now.

> apt-config dump | grep -i APT::Periodic
> 
> Below is the output of the above command:
> 
> APT::Periodic "";
> APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages "0";
> APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "0";

Ok, that complicates things slightly.
Is there anything that can be attributed to this behaviour at
/var/log/apt/history.log* ? Could be anything, you'll need to evaluate
Start-Date attribute.

Of course, it's unlikely there will be anything, so it's time for an
old magic trick - auditd.
Install auditd package.
Invoke:

auditctl -w /usr/bin/apt -p rx
auditctl -w /usr/bin/apt-get -p rx

Wait for the next occurence of the problem, to speed things up - invoke
"apt clean".
To know exact time someone invoked apt without your knowledge - invoke
"ausearch -f /usr/bin/apt -i".

Once you know an exact time the problem happens - it should be trivial
to search, say, journald entries for anything related.

In short, dear listers, auditd. Have it, use it. Thing solves issues,
and does it in non-intrusive way.


Oh, and another question. Do you happen to have packagekit to be
installed? This Fine Piece™ of RedHat middleware (have to keep the
archives list PG-13 compliant, you see ;) is known to perform
questionable tricks like this.

Reco

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#235767

FromStella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com>
Date2021-06-01 19:20 +0200
Message-ID<Clgdz-2c0-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#235611
Hi

> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2021 at 9:26 PM
> From: "Joe" <joe@jretrading.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of software/security updates?
>
First of all, id you surf using the link to the screenshot? Here's the URL again: https://ibb.co/5xP7r5t

The screenshot shows that my OS surreptitiously downloads the software/security updates without my manual intervention. This is not what I want and is the subject of my original post.

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#235778

FromJoe <joe@jretrading.com>
Date2021-06-01 20:30 +0200
Message-ID<Clhjj-2Nr-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#235767
On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 19:19:23 +0200
Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> wrote:

> Hi
> 
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2021 at 9:26 PM
> > From: "Joe" <joe@jretrading.com>
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of
> > software/security updates? 
> First of all, id you surf using the link to the screenshot? Here's
> the URL again: https://ibb.co/5xP7r5t
> 
> The screenshot shows that my OS surreptitiously downloads the
> software/security updates without my manual intervention. This is not
> what I want and is the subject of my original post.
> 

Can we establish right now that this is neither expected nor default
behaviour from Debian?

Something has been done to be 'helpful' by some entity, and I'd agree
the DE is likely to be to blame, if unattended-upgrades has been ruled
out. I still find it difficult to believe that someone would recreate
the functionality of u-u by other means, but there are a lot of strange
people in Linux... 

A default installation of Debian, without a heavyweight DE, will *not*
do this. Not one of the many Debian installations I have ever run has
ever resulted in this happening, but then I haven't installed either
Gnome or KDE since Gnome 3 arrived.

A possible line of approach: you have a list of the recent downloads.
It is possible that one of the history.log files under /var/log/apt may
be helpful in identifying the time and date of download. The file
/etc/crontab and the files under /etc/cron.d contain timed
instructions. It may be possible to identify the culprit from time and
date correlations.

I do use /etc/crontab myself to run simulated upgrades on my servers
without downloading anything, but sending an email to me if there are
any upgrades available. It will be obvious if you have any cron script
that is doing this kind of thing.

-- 
Joe

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#235770

FromStella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com>
Date2021-06-01 13:20 +0200
Message-ID<ClaBb-7db-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#235611
Hi

> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 at 8:05 PM
> From: l0f4r0@tuta.io
> To: "Debian User" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> Subject: Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of software/security updates?
>
> 28 mai 2021, 13:43 de l0f4r0@tuta.io:
>
> > I think you won't update/upgrade automatically anymore (by the way you say you haven't noticed this behavior so far), but time will confirm.

Time has indeed confirmed my worst fears. Today June 1, 2021 in fact...

> Correction: I meant if you still have updates/upgrades, then it shouldn't be because of package unattended-upgrades. So you would have to dig somewhere else...
>

Automatic downloads of software/security downloads took place today, June 1, 2021.

Please click the link to the screenshot: https://ibb.co/5xP7r5t

Please see below for the details:

username@localhost:~$ sudo apt update
[sudo] password for username:
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates InRelease
Hit:2 http://security.debian.org buster/updates InRelease
Hit:3 https://deb.debian.org/debian buster InRelease
Hit:4 https://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates InRelease
Hit:5 https://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports InRelease
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
4 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.

username@localhost:~$ sudo apt list --upgradable
Listing... Done
gir1.2-javascriptcoregtk-4.0/stable,stable 2.32.1-1~deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.30.6-1~deb10u1]
gir1.2-webkit2-4.0/stable,stable 2.32.1-1~deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.30.6-1~deb10u1]
libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18/stable,stable 2.32.1-1~deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.30.6-1~deb10u1]
libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37/stable,stable 2.32.1-1~deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.30.6-1~deb10u1]
username@localhost:~$

username@localhost:~$ sudo apt upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  xdg-desktop-portal xdg-desktop-portal-gtk
The following packages will be upgraded:
  gir1.2-javascriptcoregtk-4.0 gir1.2-webkit2-4.0 libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18
  libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37
4 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B/20.2 MB of archives.
After this operation, 5,118 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]

If you guys notice, 20.2MB of updates have been automatically downloaded in the background (without my manual intervention).

I appreciate your help in this matter.

Best wishes.

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#235784

FromReco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net>
Date2021-06-01 15:50 +0200
Message-ID<ClcWm-6D-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#235770
	Hi.

On Tue, Jun 01, 2021 at 02:26:50PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> > Automatic downloads of software/security downloads took place today,
> > June 1, 2021.
> > 
> > Please click the link to the screenshot: https://ibb.co/5xP7r5t
> > 
> > Please see below for the details:
> > 
> > username@localhost:~$ sudo apt update
> > [sudo] password for username:
> > Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates
> > InRelease Hit:2 http://security.debian.org buster/updates InRelease
> > Hit:3 https://deb.debian.org/debian buster InRelease
> > Hit:4 https://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates InRelease
> > Hit:5 https://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports InRelease
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree
> > Reading state information... Done
> > 4 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
> > 
> > username@localhost:~$ sudo apt list --upgradable
> > Listing... Done
> > gir1.2-javascriptcoregtk-4.0/stable,stable 2.32.1-1~deb10u1 amd64
> > [upgradable from: 2.30.6-1~deb10u1] gir1.2-webkit2-4.0/stable,stable
> > 2.32.1-1~deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.30.6-1~deb10u1]
> > libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18/stable,stable 2.32.1-1~deb10u1 amd64
> > [upgradable from: 2.30.6-1~deb10u1]
> > libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37/stable,stable 2.32.1-1~deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable
> > from: 2.30.6-1~deb10u1] username@localhost:~$
> > 
> > username@localhost:~$ sudo apt upgrade
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree
> > Reading state information... Done
> > Calculating upgrade... Done
> > The following NEW packages will be installed:
> >   xdg-desktop-portal xdg-desktop-portal-gtk
> > The following packages will be upgraded:
> >   gir1.2-javascriptcoregtk-4.0 gir1.2-webkit2-4.0
> > libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18 libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37
> > 4 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> > Need to get 0 B/20.2 MB of archives.
> > After this operation, 5,118 kB of additional disk space will be used.
> > Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
> > 
> > If you guys notice, 20.2MB of updates have been automatically
> > downloaded in the background (without my manual intervention).
> > 
> 
> So who typed the 'sudo apt update' and 'sudo apt upgrade'?

The devil is in the details, as they say.
"sudo apt upgrade" shows that it does not need to download anything,
because:

> > username@localhost:~$ sudo apt upgrade
...
> > Need to get 0 B/20.2 MB of archives.


I'm curious what will be shown in this configuration by:

apt-config dump | grep Periodic

Reco

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#235790

FromJoe <joe@jretrading.com>
Date2021-06-01 15:30 +0200
Message-ID<ClcCZ-8mT-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#235770
On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 13:15:30 +0200
Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> wrote:

> Hi
> 
> > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 at 8:05 PM
> > From: l0f4r0@tuta.io
> > To: "Debian User" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> > Subject: Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of
> > software/security updates?
> >
> > 28 mai 2021, 13:43 de l0f4r0@tuta.io:
> >  
> > > I think you won't update/upgrade automatically anymore (by the
> > > way you say you haven't noticed this behavior so far), but time
> > > will confirm.  
> 
> Time has indeed confirmed my worst fears. Today June 1, 2021 in
> fact...
> 
> > Correction: I meant if you still have updates/upgrades, then it
> > shouldn't be because of package unattended-upgrades. So you would
> > have to dig somewhere else... 
> 
> Automatic downloads of software/security downloads took place today,
> June 1, 2021.
> 
> Please click the link to the screenshot: https://ibb.co/5xP7r5t
> 
> Please see below for the details:
> 
> username@localhost:~$ sudo apt update
> [sudo] password for username:
> Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates
> InRelease Hit:2 http://security.debian.org buster/updates InRelease
> Hit:3 https://deb.debian.org/debian buster InRelease
> Hit:4 https://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates InRelease
> Hit:5 https://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports InRelease
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> 4 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
> 
> username@localhost:~$ sudo apt list --upgradable
> Listing... Done
> gir1.2-javascriptcoregtk-4.0/stable,stable 2.32.1-1~deb10u1 amd64
> [upgradable from: 2.30.6-1~deb10u1] gir1.2-webkit2-4.0/stable,stable
> 2.32.1-1~deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.30.6-1~deb10u1]
> libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18/stable,stable 2.32.1-1~deb10u1 amd64
> [upgradable from: 2.30.6-1~deb10u1]
> libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37/stable,stable 2.32.1-1~deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable
> from: 2.30.6-1~deb10u1] username@localhost:~$
> 
> username@localhost:~$ sudo apt upgrade
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> Calculating upgrade... Done
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   xdg-desktop-portal xdg-desktop-portal-gtk
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>   gir1.2-javascriptcoregtk-4.0 gir1.2-webkit2-4.0
> libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18 libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37
> 4 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 0 B/20.2 MB of archives.
> After this operation, 5,118 kB of additional disk space will be used.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
> 
> If you guys notice, 20.2MB of updates have been automatically
> downloaded in the background (without my manual intervention).
> 


So who typed the 'sudo apt update' and 'sudo apt upgrade'?

Those are one pair of commands (there are others) to *manually* first
download the list of upgradeable packages and then to download and
install the packages themselves. 

If it was you who typed them, what did you expect them to do? If it
wasn't you who typed them, find out who/what did so.

--
Joe

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#235509

FromCharles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com>
Date2021-05-25 21:20 +0200
Message-ID<CiKKS-1jY-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#235507
On Tue, 25 May 2021 19:25:01 +0200
Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> wrote:

> 2. I deleted the file 50unattended-upgrades located
> in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
> 
> In spite of the above two actions, Debian 10.9 still downloads
> software and security updates for me automatically in the background.
> Could someone help me with a fix that really works?

Well, you could run:

apt purge unattended-upgrades

Somewhat less drastic:

systemctl [stop|disable] unattended-upgrades

(Both, of course, as root.)

-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

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https://charlescurley.com/blog/

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#235513

FromStella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com>
Date2021-05-25 23:00 +0200
Message-ID<CiMjD-29f-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#235509
Thanks Charles for your reply.

Your suggestion "apt purge unattended-upgrades" implies that my deletion/removal of the file 50unattended-upgrades is insufficient. Is that correct?

I shall feedback to you if your suggestion works.

By the way, is there a method to suppression notification of new software and/or security updates? (I assume that if I can receive notifications of software/security updates, it means that my OS is communicating with Debian servers in the background, without my knowledge. I don't like that.)

Marcello



> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 3:14 AM
> From: "Charles Curley" <charlescurley@charlescurley.com>
> To: "Debian Users" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> Subject: Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of software/security updates?
>
> On Tue, 25 May 2021 19:25:01 +0200
> Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> wrote:
>
> > 2. I deleted the file 50unattended-upgrades located
> > in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
> >
> > In spite of the above two actions, Debian 10.9 still downloads
> > software and security updates for me automatically in the background.
> > Could someone help me with a fix that really works?
>
> Well, you could run:
>
> apt purge unattended-upgrades
>
> Somewhat less drastic:
>
> systemctl [stop|disable] unattended-upgrades
>
> (Both, of course, as root.)
>
> --
> Does anybody read signatures any more?
>
> https://charlescurley.com
> https://charlescurley.com/blog/
>
>

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#235519

FromCharles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com>
Date2021-05-25 23:40 +0200
Message-ID<CiMWl-2AB-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#235513
On Tue, 25 May 2021 22:54:59 +0200
Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> wrote:

> Your suggestion "apt purge unattended-upgrades" implies that my
> deletion/removal of the file 50unattended-upgrades is insufficient.
> Is that correct?

I guess so. I guess that absent 50unattended-upgrades the program runs
on its defaults.

> 
> I shall feedback to you if your suggestion works.
> 
> By the way, is there a method to suppression notification of new
> software and/or security updates? (I assume that if I can receive
> notifications of software/security updates, it means that my OS is
> communicating with Debian servers in the background, without my
> knowledge. I don't like that.)

See if purging unattended-upgrades does that for you. However, I use
it, and the only notices I get are emails from that program, which
requires edits in 50unattended-upgrades. So I don't know where those
notices are coming from.

-- 
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https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/

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#235516

FromStella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com>
Date2021-05-25 23:10 +0200
Message-ID<CiMtj-2rL-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#235507
Thanks for your reply.

No, I haven't tried clearing the apt cache and shall let you know if my OS downloads software/security updates in the background.

By the way, is there a method to suppression notification of new software and/or security updates? (I assume that if I can receive notifications of software/security updates, it means that my OS is communicating with Debian servers in the background, without my knowledge. I don't like that.)



> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 1:29 AM
> From: "Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside" <debian@polynamaude.com>
> To: "Stella Ashburne" <rewefie@gmx.com>
> Subject: Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of software/security updates?
>
> Have you tried clearing the apt cache (/var/cache/apt/archives/)
> and see if you really get download or if it's just notification ?
>
> On 2021-05-25 1:25 p.m., Stella Ashburne wrote:
> > My OS is Debian 10.9 and has the kernel version:
> >
> > Linux localhost 5.10.0-0.bpo.5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.24-1~bpo10+1 (2021-03-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux
> >
> > 1. I have already configured the OS not to download software updates automatically by using the widget "Software & Updates". Click the URL below
> to see a screenshot of the Software Updates:
> >
> > https://ibb.co/bs7pF9q
> >
> > 2. I deleted the file 50unattended-upgrades located in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
> >
> > In spite of the above two actions, Debian 10.9 still downloads software
> and security updates for me automatically in the background. Could someone help me with a fix that really works?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Marcello
> >
>
> --
> Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
> -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
>
>

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#235811

FromTom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com>
Date2021-06-02 22:00 +0200
Message-ID<ClFbX-9h-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#235507

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On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 12:25 Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> wrote:

> My OS is Debian 10.9 and has the kernel version:


How did you get the installation originally? Was it from a fresh install of
Buster or an upgrade from 9 or older version?

-Tom

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#235813

Froml0f4r0@tuta.io
Date2021-06-02 22:10 +0200
Message-ID<ClFlE-s9-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#235811
Stella,

Cannot remember if you have Gnome installed but you should have a look at https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/594287, especially ALL the associated comments (click on "Show 7 more comments").
HTH
l0f4r0

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#235850

FromStella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com>
Date2021-06-03 21:10 +0200
Message-ID<Cm0T7-50F-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#235813
Hi,

Thanks for your help and effort. I really appreciate it.

> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2021 at 4:02 AM
> From: l0f4r0@tuta.io
> To: "Debian User" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> Subject: Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of software/security updates?
>
> Cannot remember if you have Gnome installed but you should have a look at https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/594287, especially ALL the associated comments (click on "Show 7 more comments").

After I have done a fresh minimal install of Debian, I installed the following packages:

xorg gnome-core gnome-tweak-tool synaptic gedit gdebi file-roller

As you can see from the above, I did not install the full Gnome desktop environment.

The link that you gave me leads to the post in which the description of the problem is similar to my issue. It contains helpful information and I have taken action based on what the contributors had written. I have disabled PackageKit. I have not purged gnome-software as advised by the contributor in said post. Why? I am afraid that purging gnome-software may cause my operating system to become unusable.

I shall keep you informed if after disabling PackageKit, automatic downloads of software/security updates still take place.

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#235822

FromStella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com>
Date2021-06-03 03:50 +0200
Message-ID<ClKEF-3oF-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#235811
Hi Tom

Thanks for your help and time. I really appreciate it.
 
 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2021 at 3:53 AM
From: "Tom Browder" <tom.browder@gmail.com>
To: "Stella Ashburne" <rewefie@gmx.com>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of software/security updates?

 
How did you get the installation originally? Was it from a fresh install of Buster or an upgrade from 9 or older version?
 
-Tom

It was a fresh installation. I never do upgrades from Debian Stretch (a.k.a. version 9) and always choose Expert Install (without GUI).

On a different topic, I noticed that you composed your email with HTML formatting. I didn't know it is allowed by Debian User Mailing List. I remember a few years ago, if one were to send an email to said mailing list, the former would never be published. At that time, all emails must be in plain text format. When did said mailing list accept emails that are HTML formatted?

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#235853

FromTom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com>
Date2021-06-03 22:20 +0200
Message-ID<Cm1YR-5BG-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#235822
On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 20:48 Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> wrote:
...
> On a different topic, I noticed that you composed your email with HTML formatting. I didn't know
> it is allowed by Debian User Mailing List.

Unfortunately I mostly use email from my iPad (gmail app) and I
haven't found a way to get plain text on it like one can from a real
computer. Sometimes I go to my Linux laptop and force plain text, but
normally I try to strip out what I can.

This time i'm replying from my laptop so it **should** be plain text.

Best,

-Tom

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#235854

FromGreg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org>
Date2021-06-03 22:30 +0200
Message-ID<Cm28x-5EI-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#235853
On Thu, Jun 03, 2021 at 03:18:31PM -0500, Tom Browder wrote:
> This time i'm replying from my laptop so it **should** be plain text.

It is.

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#235860

FromStella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com>
Date2021-06-04 02:10 +0200
Message-ID<Cm5zr-7J7-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#235853
Hi Tom

> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2021 at 4:18 AM
> From: "Tom Browder" <tom.browder@gmail.com>
> To: "Stella Ashburne" <rewefie@gmx.com>
> Cc: "debian-user mailing list" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> Subject: Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of software/security updates?
>
>
> Unfortunately I mostly use email from my iPad (gmail app) and I
> haven't found a way to get plain text on it like one can from a real
> computer. Sometimes I go to my Linux laptop and force plain text, but
> normally I try to strip out what I can.
>

Don't get me wrong Tom. I'm perfectly fine with receiving emails in HTML format. It's just that a few years ago, when I sent emails with HTML formatting, Debian User Mailing List rejected them outright. It took me quite a while - about at least two months - trying to figure out why my sent HTML-formatted emails were rejected.

> This time i'm replying from my laptop so it **should** be plain text.
>
I am OK as long as Debian User Mailing List now accepts HTML-formatted emails.

Stella

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#235868

FromAndrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
Date2021-06-04 11:10 +0200
Message-ID<Cme01-4EB-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#235860

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On Vi, 04 iun 21, 02:03:10, Stella Ashburne wrote:
> Hi Tom
> 
> > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2021 at 4:18 AM
> > From: "Tom Browder" <tom.browder@gmail.com>
> 
> Don't get me wrong Tom. I'm perfectly fine with receiving emails in 
> HTML format. It's just that a few years ago, when I sent emails with 
> HTML formatting, Debian User Mailing List rejected them outright. It 
> took me quite a while - about at least two months - trying to figure 
> out why my sent HTML-formatted emails were rejected.

As far as I know the list only rejects large-ish attachments. A small 
screenshot, output of 'dmesg' or compressed logs should go through 
(though not necessarily a good idea).

> > This time i'm replying from my laptop so it **should** be plain text.
> >
> I am OK as long as Debian User Mailing List now accepts HTML-formatted 
> emails.

HTML mails are possible, just frowned upon, especially if they don't 
contain an equivalent text part (which would make the html part 
redundant). Most readers will have their mail client configured to 
display the text part (only).

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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