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  Best remote client+server setup for ~10 users? Jim Popovitch <jim@k4vqc.com> - 2021-06-02 23:50 +0200
    Re: Best remote client+server setup for ~10 users? Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-06-03 00:00 +0200
      Re: Best remote client+server setup for ~10 users? Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-06-03 00:20 +0200
      Re: Best remote client+server setup for ~10 users? Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2021-06-03 00:30 +0200
    Re: Best remote client+server setup for ~10 users? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-06-03 01:10 +0200
      Re: Best remote client+server setup for ~10 users? Jim Popovitch <jim@k4vqc.com> - 2021-06-03 02:00 +0200
        Re: Best remote client+server setup for ~10 users? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-03 04:00 +0200
          Re: Best remote client+server setup for ~10 users? Jim Popovitch <jim@k4vqc.com> - 2021-06-03 06:10 +0200
            Re: Best remote client+server setup for ~10 users? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-06-03 06:20 +0200
              Re: Best remote client+server setup for ~10 users? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-06-03 08:30 +0200
        Re: Best remote client+server setup for ~10 users? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-06-03 13:20 +0200
          Re: Best remote client+server setup for ~10 users? Jim Popovitch <jim@k4vqc.com> - 2021-06-03 16:30 +0200

#235816 — Best remote client+server setup for ~10 users?

I need a FOSS remote desktop solution for around 10 users, back to a central server.  The client connections will be broadband over OpenVPN with an avg latency of 45ms (WFH).

tia,

-Jim P.

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#235817

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On 3/6/21 5:34 am, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> I need a FOSS remote desktop solution for around 10 users, back to a central server.  The client connections will be broadband over OpenVPN with 
an avg latency of 45ms (WFH).
>
> tia,
>
> -Jim P.
You should have a look at nomachine. I'm not sure if it's open source 
but it's definitely free, and there may be opensource variants available
-- 
Jeremy

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On 3/6/21 5:58 am, Jeremy Ardley wrote:
>
> On 3/6/21 5:34 am, Jim Popovitch wrote:
>> I need a FOSS remote desktop solution for around 10 users, back to a 
>> central server.  The client connections will be broadband over 
>> OpenVPN with 
> an avg latency of 45ms (WFH).
>>
>> tia,
>>
>> -Jim P.
> You should have a look at nomachine. I'm not sure if it's open source 
> but it's definitely free, and there may be opensource variants available

I've also noticed X2go is similar to nomachine but is in the FOSS 
category. It sounds like it may be what you want


-- 
Jeremy

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Am Mittwoch, 2. Juni 2021, 23:58:11 CEST schrieb Jeremy Ardley:
Take a look at "Dayon!". It is running well and fast. Very easy to use.
However: The "assistant" gets a black-and-white screen, but is working well 
for helpers.

On the other hand, you can use VNC, fastest one I know is called "Remmina". 

But VNC needs configurations on the helpers's router (you have to forward some 
port). 

Best regards

Hans 

> On 3/6/21 5:34 am, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> > I need a FOSS remote desktop solution for around 10 users, back to a
> > central server.  The client connections will be broadband over OpenVPN
> > with
> an avg latency of 45ms (WFH).
> 
> > tia,
> > 
> > -Jim P.
> 
> You should have a look at nomachine. I'm not sure if it's open source
> but it's definitely free, and there may be opensource variants available

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#235820

Jim Popovitch wrote: 
> I need a FOSS remote desktop solution for around 10 users, back to a central server.  The client connections will be broadband over OpenVPN with an avg latency of 45ms (WFH).
> 

I'm going to assume you have a reasonably powerful Debian server
as the host for these 10 remote desktops.

What can you tell us about the client machines?

Also, are you locked into OpenVPN for some reason?

-dsr-

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#235821

On June 2, 2021 11:06:29 PM UTC, Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:
>Jim Popovitch wrote: 
>> I need a FOSS remote desktop solution for around 10 users, back to a central server.  The client connections will be broadband over OpenVPN with an avg latency of 45ms (WFH).
>> 
>
>I'm going to assume you have a reasonably powerful Debian server
>as the host for these 10 remote desktops.
>
>What can you tell us about the client machines?
>
>Also, are you locked into OpenVPN for some reason?
>
>-dsr-
>

Clients are the mostly Ubuntu, Debian, but 2 are Win10.  Server is a beefy Debian VDS, this is shared dev environment. I thougt about using SSH tunnels, what other options are there?

-Jim P.

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Hi,

On 2021-06-02 7:49 p.m., Jim Popovitch wrote:
> On June 2, 2021 11:06:29 PM UTC, Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:
>> Jim Popovitch wrote: 
>>> I need a FOSS remote desktop solution for around 10 users, back to a central server.  The client connections will be broadband over OpenVPN with an avg latency of 45ms (WFH).
>>>
>>
>> I'm going to assume you have a reasonably powerful Debian server
>> as the host for these 10 remote desktops.
>>
>> What can you tell us about the client machines?
>>
>> Also, are you locked into OpenVPN for some reason?
>>
>> -dsr-
>>
> 
> Clients are the mostly Ubuntu, Debian, but 2 are Win10.  Server is a beefy Debian VDS, this is shared dev environment. I thougt about using SSH tunnels, what other options are there?
> 
Looking at all you are writing here... As all this seem to be for a
professional environment. I'd suggest you get someone to do it for you
and give you support.

You seem pretty lost with what you have to get done. It's one thing to
get the solution working but to get it serviced on the long run is
something else.
> -Jim P.
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#235828

On Wed, 2021-06-02 at 21:51 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 2021-06-02 7:49 p.m., Jim Popovitch wrote:
> > On June 2, 2021 11:06:29 PM UTC, Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org>
> > wrote:
> > > Jim Popovitch wrote: 
> > > > I need a FOSS remote desktop solution for around 10 users, back
> > > > to a central server.  The client connections will be broadband
> > > > over OpenVPN with an avg latency of 45ms (WFH).
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > I'm going to assume you have a reasonably powerful Debian server
> > > as the host for these 10 remote desktops.
> > > 
> > > What can you tell us about the client machines?
> > > 
> > > Also, are you locked into OpenVPN for some reason?
> > > 
> > > -dsr-
> > > 
> > 
> > Clients are the mostly Ubuntu, Debian, but 2 are Win10.  Server is a
> > beefy Debian VDS, this is shared dev environment. I thougt about
> > using SSH tunnels, what other options are there?
> > 
> Looking at all you are writing here... As all this seem to be for a
> professional environment. I'd suggest you get someone to do it for you
> and give you support.

I am the support guy, sort of.  It's a stretch to say it's for
professionals. :)

> You seem pretty lost with what you have to get done. It's one thing to
> get the solution working but to get it serviced on the long run is
> something else.

Heh, I've been running internet sites and services since the late 90s,
even ran a Debian mirror for a spell back in the Volatile days.

Thanks everyone else for your software recommendations, I plan to test
some of them soon.

-Jim P.

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Hi,

On 2021-06-03 12:04 a.m., Jim Popovitch wrote:
> On Wed, 2021-06-02 at 21:51 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 2021-06-02 7:49 p.m., Jim Popovitch wrote:
>>> On June 2, 2021 11:06:29 PM UTC, Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Jim Popovitch wrote: 
>>>>> I need a FOSS remote desktop solution for around 10 users, back
>>>>> to a central server.  The client connections will be broadband
>>>>> over OpenVPN with an avg latency of 45ms (WFH).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to assume you have a reasonably powerful Debian server
>>>> as the host for these 10 remote desktops.
>>>>
>>>> What can you tell us about the client machines?
>>>>
>>>> Also, are you locked into OpenVPN for some reason?
>>>>
>>>> -dsr-
>>>>
>>>
>>> Clients are the mostly Ubuntu, Debian, but 2 are Win10.  Server is a
>>> beefy Debian VDS, this is shared dev environment. I thougt about
>>> using SSH tunnels, what other options are there?
>>>
>> Looking at all you are writing here... As all this seem to be for a
>> professional environment. I'd suggest you get someone to do it for you
>> and give you support.
> 
> I am the support guy, sort of.  It's a stretch to say it's for
> professionals. :)
> 
>> You seem pretty lost with what you have to get done. It's one thing to
>> get the solution working but to get it serviced on the long run is
>> something else.
> 
> Heh, I've been running internet sites and services since the late 90s,
> even ran a Debian mirror for a spell back in the Volatile days.
> 
Sorry, didn't want to be rude...
Something we get ourselves into much more than we can handle.
Just wanted you to know what you're getting into...

> Thanks everyone else for your software recommendations, I plan to test
> some of them soon.
> 
> -Jim P.
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#235830

Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

>> Heh, I've been running internet sites and services since the late 90s,
>> even ran a Debian mirror for a spell back in the Volatile days.
>> 
> Sorry, didn't want to be rude...
> Something we get ourselves into much more than we can handle.
> Just wanted you to know what you're getting into...

I agree with Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside here.
Your approach seems to be  at random - looking for an advice.

A professional approach would mean to gether all the requirements and work
them out.
You post only two sentences:
"I need a FOSS remote desktop solution for around 10 users, back to a
central server.  The client connections will be broadband over OpenVPN with
an avg latency of 45ms (WFH)."

and the reader must look into the crystal ball.

Even if you were running web sites since the late 90s, it doesn't mean you
are good to build this server and the way you approach it does not help at
all. It is like saying I've been repairing bicycles, now I can repair a
truck. Well good luck! But leave this aside.

One of the questions is why you need a remote desktop at all, if it is for
development.

You can try providing remote X session if the connection is fast enough - it
needs good testing though. The X server provides an option to configure the
login manager (kdm,gdm,tdm or so) to open session on a remote PC. I've
tested this and it works perfectly well with 1Gbps connection. With 100Mbps
it was not a problem in local network too, but some things are slow.
The problem was the sound.

VNC: I have had only troubles, but is usable for simple tings. Recently
using on RedHat TigerVNC, which seems to be good, but OOB RedHat provided
only metacity which is the old one (used in Gnome2)

As you see it all depends on exactly specifying parameters/requirements and
testing them and it is more work than two sentences.

My best experience was with diskless clients that boot over NFS share, but
the openVPN requires additional work in the initramfs and couple of tricks.
This is how most modems boot actually.
I use it for my RPi4 and couple of notebooks in the local environment.

hope it helps 

regards

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#235838

Jim Popovitch wrote: 
> On June 2, 2021 11:06:29 PM UTC, Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:
> >Jim Popovitch wrote: 
> >> I need a FOSS remote desktop solution for around 10 users, back to a central server.  The client connections will be broadband over OpenVPN with an avg latency of 45ms (WFH).
> >> 
> >
> >I'm going to assume you have a reasonably powerful Debian server
> >as the host for these 10 remote desktops.
> >
> >What can you tell us about the client machines?
> >
> >Also, are you locked into OpenVPN for some reason?
> >
> >-dsr-
> >
> 
> Clients are the mostly Ubuntu, Debian, but 2 are Win10.  Server is a beefy Debian VDS, this is shared dev environment. I thougt about using SSH tunnels, what other options are there?


You could, should, consider Wireguard.

- It's faster (less overhead) than OpenVPN
- Config requirements are similar to SSH, rather than OpenVPN
- Easier to add/drop clients than OpenVPN
- Available for all the OSs you mention, and will be in-kernel
  in the next major revisions

You can use any of the remote desktop protocols over the
pseudo-ethernet interface that Wireguard creates. X11, VNC,
Spice, RDP...

xserver-xspice might be the right choice here. Debian and Ubuntu
have virt-viewer clients for spice, Windows and other OS have
clients here: https://www.spice-space.org/download.html

-dsr-

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#235842

On Thu, 2021-06-03 at 07:14 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Jim Popovitch wrote: 
> > On June 2, 2021 11:06:29 PM UTC, Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:
> > > Jim Popovitch wrote: 
> > > > I need a FOSS remote desktop solution for around 10 users, back to a central server.  The client connections will be broadband over OpenVPN with an avg latency of 45ms (WFH).
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > I'm going to assume you have a reasonably powerful Debian server
> > > as the host for these 10 remote desktops.
> > > 
> > > What can you tell us about the client machines?
> > > 
> > > Also, are you locked into OpenVPN for some reason?
> > > 
> > > -dsr-
> > > 
> > 
> > Clients are the mostly Ubuntu, Debian, but 2 are Win10.  Server is a beefy Debian VDS, this is shared dev environment. I thougt about using SSH tunnels, what other options are there?
> 
> You could, should, consider Wireguard.
> 
> - It's faster (less overhead) than OpenVPN
> - Config requirements are similar to SSH, rather than OpenVPN
> - Easier to add/drop clients than OpenVPN
> - Available for all the OSs you mention, and will be in-kernel
>   in the next major revisions
> 
> You can use any of the remote desktop protocols over the
> pseudo-ethernet interface that Wireguard creates. X11, VNC,
> Spice, RDP...
> 
> xserver-xspice might be the right choice here. Debian and Ubuntu
> have virt-viewer clients for spice, Windows and other OS have
> clients here: https://www.spice-space.org/download.html

Thanks for that Dan, that experienced feedback is exactly what I was
looking for.

-Jim P.

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