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  No deb for seamonkey? Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2021-05-18 22:10 +0200
    Re: No deb for seamonkey? The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-05-18 22:20 +0200
      Re: No deb for seamonkey? Siard <shiems@mailbox.org> - 2021-05-18 22:50 +0200
        Re: No deb for seamonkey? Siard <shiems@mailbox.org> - 2021-05-18 23:00 +0200
          Re: No deb for seamonkey? Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2021-05-19 03:20 +0200
          Re: No deb for seamonkey? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-05-19 10:40 +0200
            Re: No deb for seamonkey? Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2021-05-19 23:00 +0200
              Re: No deb for seamonkey? Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2021-05-20 00:20 +0200
                Re: No deb for seamonkey? didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2021-05-20 08:50 +0200
              Re: No deb for seamonkey? Siard <shiems@mailbox.org> - 2021-05-20 01:20 +0200
                Re: No deb for seamonkey? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-05-20 09:30 +0200
            Re: No deb for seamonkey? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-05-20 01:10 +0200
    Re: No deb for seamonkey? Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2021-05-19 00:00 +0200
      Re: No deb for seamonkey? Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2021-05-19 01:30 +0200

#235330 — No deb for seamonkey?

'$ sudo apt-cache search seamonkey' does not turn up the 
browser/email "suite."

My spidey sense suggests that the Subject: question, probably as 
a consequence of the internal logic (for lack of a better term) 
of the unixen "package" situation, is at best moot, and at 
worst, confused.

Pls. advise.

Thank you.

-- 
What's going on with Bob?
https://zeus.jtan.com/~wingnut

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#235332

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On 2021-05-18 at 16:08, Bob Bernstein wrote:

> '$ sudo apt-cache search seamonkey' does not turn up the 
> browser/email "suite."
> 
> My spidey sense suggests that the Subject: question, probably as a
> consequence of the internal logic (for lack of a better term) of the
> unixen "package" situation, is at best moot, and at worst, confused.
> 
> Pls. advise.

As I understand matters, Seamonkey and other branches off the Mozilla
family tree are not packaged in Debian, specifically because it's hard
enough maintaining security support for just Firefox (and Thunderbird);
the Debian security team does not want to have to try to keep up with
doing it for any variants on top of that.

There shouldn't be any theoretical reason why you couldn't download the
source and build it locally, but depending on what the dependency and
build systems are like nowadays, that might get complicated.

It's also possible that some third parties may have already packaged it
into .deb form, albeit not necessarily in a way that'll work with any
particular Debian release; if you want to search for such a thing, and
risk creating a FrankenDebian to some degree with the result, you might
turn up useful results.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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#235333

The Wanderer [about Seamonkey]:
> It's also possible that some third parties may have already packaged it
> into .deb form, albeit not necessarily in a way that'll work with any
> particular Debian release; if you want to search for such a thing, and
> risk creating a FrankenDebian to some degree with the result, you might
> turn up useful results.

You can simply download Seamonkey deb's from here:

    https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

It works fine here in stable and testing.
No installation needed, just start it.

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#235334

I wrote:
> You can simply download Seamonkey deb's from here:
> 
>     https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

Correction: those are .tar.bz2 packages.
Getting older. Age takes its toll, I guess.

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#235348

On Tue, 18 May 2021, Siard wrote:

> I wrote:
>> You can simply download Seamonkey deb's from here:
>>
>>     https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
>
> Correction: those are .tar.bz2 packages.
> Getting older. Age takes its toll, I guess.

Understood.

I'm so old I just noticed your two posts to the list now, many 
hours after you posted them.

It ain't easy. Thank you.

-- 
RSB

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#235364

On 05/18/2021 03:55 PM, Siard wrote:
> I wrote:
>> You can simply download Seamonkey deb's from here:
>>
>>      https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
> 
> Correction: those are .tar.bz2 packages.
> Getting older. Age takes its toll, I guess.
> 

I've been getting SeaMonkey from there since days of Squeeze [now 
running Buster] without any problems.

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#235415

On Wed, 19 May 2021, Richard Owlett wrote:

> I've been getting SeaMonkey from there since days of Squeeze 
> [now running Buster] without any problems.

Yes. They don't distribute debs, but they do distribute binary 
versions with install procedures.

Not sure which route I should take, binary from the 
seamonkey-project.org site, or deb from the repo named in 
wiki.debian.org/Seamonkey. I'm leaning toward the 
first-mentioned.

Opinions?

-- 
RSB

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#235417

On 20/5/21 4:55 am, Bob Bernstein wrote:
> On Wed, 19 May 2021, Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
>> I've been getting SeaMonkey from there since days of Squeeze [now 
>> running Buster] without any problems.
> 
> Yes. They don't distribute debs, but they do distribute binary versions 
> with install procedures.
> 
> Not sure which route I should take, binary from the 
> seamonkey-project.org site, or deb from the repo named in 
> wiki.debian.org/Seamonkey. I'm leaning toward the first-mentioned.
> 
> Opinions?
> 

It all depends on how difficult you want to make it for yourself.

The ubuntuzilla way is simple, reliable, and, is used by many.

After following the relatively simple procedure to implement it, 
whenever a new version/update is released, it is automatically included 
in your system updates, as you perform them, and you do not have to go 
through the procedure of performing a new make and install, manually, 
every time that am update or new version is released.

Of course, if the ubuntuzilla way is not sufficiently difficult for you, 
and, you want to go out of your way, to make it difficult, that is up to 
you.

You asked for a relatively simple way of doing it, and, if you 
gratuitously choose the more difficult path, that is your prerogative.

-- 
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

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#235423

Hello,

I would say that you express your point of view with unnecessary vigour 
and that it is not fully endorsed by the Debian community:

https://wiki.debian.org/Seamonkey (disclaimer sentence)
https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian

Cheers :-)

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#235419

Bob Bernstein:
> Richard Owlett:
> > I've been getting SeaMonkey from there since days of Squeeze 
> > [now running Buster] without any problems.
> 
> Yes. They don't distribute debs, but they do distribute binary 
> versions with install procedures.
> 
> Not sure which route I should take, binary from the 
> seamonkey-project.org site, or deb from the repo named in 
> wiki.debian.org/Seamonkey. I'm leaning toward the 
> first-mentioned.
> 
> Opinions?

I found that taking the tarball from seamonkey-project.org is dead easy.
Just unpack it in /opt and start /opt/seamonkey/seamonkey. No installation
needed.

You can have a look at the seamonkey-project.org site now and then to see if
a new version is available, but you can also follow
www.seamonkey-project.org/news via RSS, so you get notified when a new version
is available. Then just delete /opt/seamonkey and put the new version there.

( RSS link: https://www.seamonkey-project.org/news-atom )

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#235424

On 05/19/2021 06:09 PM, Siard wrote:
> Bob Bernstein:
>> Richard Owlett:
>>> I've been getting SeaMonkey from there since days of Squeeze
>>> [now running Buster] without any problems.
>>
>> Yes. They don't distribute debs, but they do distribute binary
>> versions with install procedures.
>>
>> Not sure which route I should take, binary from the
>> seamonkey-project.org site, or deb from the repo named in
>> wiki.debian.org/Seamonkey. I'm leaning toward the
>> first-mentioned.
>>
>> Opinions?
> 
> I found that taking the tarball from seamonkey-project.org is dead easy.
> Just unpack it in /opt and start /opt/seamonkey/seamonkey. No installation
> needed.

+*1* !!

> 
> You can have a look at the seamonkey-project.org site now and then to see if
> a new version is available, but you can also follow
> www.seamonkey-project.org/news via RSS, so you get notified when a new version
> is available. Then just delete /opt/seamonkey and put the new version there.
> 
> ( RSS link: https://www.seamonkey-project.org/news-atom )
> 
> 
> 

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#235418

Richard Owlett composed on 2021-05-19 03:32 (UTC-0500):

> Siard wrote:

>>> You can simply download Seamonkey deb's from here:

>>>      https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

>> Correction: those are .tar.bz2 packages.
>> Getting older. Age takes its toll, I guess.

> I've been getting SeaMonkey from there since days of Squeeze [now 
> running Buster] without any problems.
										
I've been getting them from there since long before SM 1.0 in January 2006, when
it was the flagship Mozilla product Mozilla Suite, which I started using around
March of 1999 while in its infancy.
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
	based on faith, not based on science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata

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#235335

On 19/5/21 4:08 am, Bob Bernstein wrote:
> '$ sudo apt-cache search seamonkey' does not turn up the browser/email 
> "suite."
> 
> My spidey sense suggests that the Subject: question, probably as a 
> consequence of the internal logic (for lack of a better term) of the 
> unixen "package" situation, is at best moot, and at worst, confused.
> 
> Pls. advise.
> 
> Thank you.
> 

You could try the Seamonkey mailing list
https://groups.io/g/seamonkey-support

Also, whilst google has become increasingly sinister, searching using
seamonkey debian
returns many results, including
https://wiki.debian.org/Seamonkey

-- 
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

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#235339

On Wed, 19 May 2021, Bret Busby wrote:

> https://wiki.debian.org/Seamonkey

Bingo.

A very recently updated page with instructions for adding a 
(EEK!) third party repo to one's sources.list.

Thanks!

-- 
RSB

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