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  [Bullseye] package bloat for video playback Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-05-14 08:10 +0200
    Re: [Bullseye] package bloat for video playback Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-05-14 08:40 +0200
    Re: [Bullseye] package bloat for video playback deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-14 09:20 +0200
      Re: [Bullseye] package bloat for video playback Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-05-14 14:00 +0200
        Re: [Bullseye] package bloat for video playback deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-14 17:50 +0200
        Re: [Bullseye] package bloat for video playback Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-05-31 05:50 +0200
          Re: [Bullseye] package bloat for video playback Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-05-31 16:00 +0200

#235176 — [Bullseye] package bloat for video playback

I wanted to install smplayer. Even though Install-Recommends is false, apt wants
to install mpv, imagemagick-common, and fonts-urw-base35. Does anyone here know
why a video player requires additional fonts instead of using already installed
fonts? What about why more imagemagick is required, or why smplayer can't be used
without mpv installed?

Total new packages count is 24. Some I suppose must really be required, but these
3, libdjvulibre* and vapoursynth are all suspect, especially the fonts:

# dpkg -l | grep fonts
ii  fonts-dejavu-core   2.37-2          all     Vera font family derivate with additional characters
ii  fonts-droid         1:4.4.4r2-6     all     handheld device font with extensive style and language support
ii  xfonts-encodings    1:1.0.4-2.1     all     Encodings for X.Org fonts
ii  xfonts-scalable     1:1.0.3-1.2     all     scalable fonts for X
ii  xfonts-utils        1:7.7+6         amd64   X Window System font utility programs

Why do I want smplayer? VLC is routinely trouble, like failing to play audio
or video or both together in sync, or failing to find and offer the starting point
automatically.

ATM, VLC won't play audio, even though user is authorized in /etc/groups for audio,
cdrom and video.
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On Vi, 14 mai 21, 02:04:14, Felix Miata wrote:
> I wanted to install smplayer. Even though Install-Recommends is false, apt wants
> to install mpv, imagemagick-common, and fonts-urw-base35. Does anyone here know
> why a video player requires additional fonts instead of using already installed
> fonts? What about why more imagemagick is required, or why smplayer can't be used
> without mpv installed?

smplayer is just an interface, originally for mplayer, but at least on 
Debian it now prefers mpv.
 
> Total new packages count is 24. Some I suppose must really be required, but these
> 3, libdjvulibre* and vapoursynth are all suspect, especially the fonts:
> 
> # dpkg -l | grep fonts
> ii  fonts-dejavu-core   2.37-2          all     Vera font family derivate with additional characters
> ii  fonts-droid         1:4.4.4r2-6     all     handheld device font with extensive style and language support
> ii  xfonts-encodings    1:1.0.4-2.1     all     Encodings for X.Org fonts
> ii  xfonts-scalable     1:1.0.3-1.2     all     scalable fonts for X
> ii  xfonts-utils        1:7.7+6         amd64   X Window System font utility programs

smplayer doesn't depend directly on these, try 'aptitude why'.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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#235178

Felix Miata wrote:

> Why do I want smplayer? VLC is routinely trouble, like failing to play
> audio or video or both together in sync, or failing to find and offer the
> starting point automatically.
> 
> ATM, VLC won't play audio, even though user is authorized in /etc/groups
> for audio, cdrom and video.

Felix, 

it is not clear which version of Debian you are using. Also there is
multimedia with far better quality.

I guess you needs specific fonts for being able to play videos with
subtitles and as developers do not know what everybody has installed they
build with specific font dependency that is free and can be used for that
purpose.

Another options is that you are doing clean install and now catching up with
your environment. 


PS
long time ago I gave up with Gnome and all the gnomes and later with KDE. I
stick to TDE and I use kplayer with mplayer
And I do not have either fonts-urw-base35 or imagemagick-common

I am not sure if this one liner is sufficient, but it shows that there are
no such dependencies in those

$ for p in $(apt-cache depends kplayer-trinity | awk '{print $2}'|
grep -v '<' | xargs); do echo $p; apt-cache depends $p; done | grep font
  Depends: libfontconfig1
  Depends: libfontconfig1
  Depends: fontconfig
    fontconfig:i386
  Depends: libfontconfig1


$ for p in $(apt-cache depends mplayer | awk '{print $2}'| grep -v '<' |
xargs); do echo $p; apt-cache depends $p; done | grep font
  Depends: libfontconfig1
  Depends: libfontconfig1
libfontconfig1
libfontconfig1
  Depends: fontconfig-config
  Depends: libfontconfig1
  Suggests: fontconfig
    fontconfig:i386
  Suggests: fonts-freefont-ttf

$ for p in $(apt-cache depends smplayer | awk '{print $2}'| grep -v '<' |
xargs); do echo $p; apt-cache depends $p; done | grep font
  Depends: fontconfig
    fontconfig:i386
  Depends: libfontconfig1
  Depends: libfontconfig1

$ for p in $(apt-cache depends mpv | awk '{print $2}'| grep -v '<' | xargs);
do echo $p; apt-cache depends $p; done | grep font
  Depends: libfontconfig1
  Depends: libfontconfig1
  Depends: libfontconfig1

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#235181

On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 09:15:22AM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> it is not clear which version of Debian you are using.

See, this *right here* is why you do not put important details only
in the Subject: header.

Some people don't read Subject: headers.  Make sure all of the relevant
details are in the *body* of your message (also).

As far as the original question goes, the suggestion to track it down
in reverse with "aptitude why" is a valid one.  It only works for the
OP, though.  The rest of us have to attack the problem recursively,
top down.

unicorn:~$ apt-cache show smplayer | egrep 'Depends|Suggests|Recommends'
Depends: mpv (>= 0.6.2) | mplayer, libc6 (>= 2.14), libgcc-s1 (>= 3.0), libqt5core5a (>= 5.14.1), libqt5dbus5 (>= 5.14.1), libqt5gui5 (>= 5.14.1) | libqt5gui5-gles (>= 5.14.1), libqt5network5 (>= 5.14.1), libqt5widgets5 (>= 5.14.1), libqt5xml5 (>= 5.1), libstdc++6 (>= 5), libx11-6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)
Recommends: smplayer-themes, smplayer-l10n

Now we try to guess which one(s) of those might have brought in the
additional packages that weren't wanted.  This is made harder by not
knowing in advance whether the OP had mpv or mplayer already installed,
and not seeing the actual output of the "apt install smplayer" command
that was used.  (That would have made it far too easy.)

unicorn:~$ apt-cache show mpv | egrep 'Depends|Suggests|Recommends'
Depends: libarchive13 (>= 3.4.0), libasound2 (>= 1.0.27), libass9 (>= 1:0.13.6), libavcodec58 (>= 7:4.2), libavdevice58 (>= 7:4.0), libavfilter7 (>= 7:4.0), libavformat58 (>= 7:4.2), libavutil56 (>= 7:4.0), libbluray2 (>= 1:0.2.2), libc6 (>= 2.29), libcaca0 (>= 0.99.beta17-1), libcdio-cdda2 (>= 10.2+2.0.0), libcdio-paranoia2 (>= 10.2+2.0.0), libcdio19 (>= 2.1.0), libdrm2 (>= 2.4.74), libdvdnav4 (>= 4.1.3), libegl1, libgbm1 (>= 8.1~0), libgl1, libjack-jackd2-0 (>= 1.9.10+20150825) | libjack-0.125, libjpeg62-turbo (>= 1.3.1), liblcms2-2 (>= 2.6), liblua5.2-0, libpulse0 (>= 0.99.4), librubberband2 (>= 1.9.0), libsdl2-2.0-0 (>= 2.0.12), libsmbclient (>= 2:4.0.3+dfsg1), libsndio7.0 (>= 1.1.0), libswresample3 (>= 7:4.0), libswscale5 (>= 7:4.0), libuchardet0 (>= 0.0.1), libva-drm2 (>= 1.1.0), libva-wayland2 (>= 1.3.0), libva-x11-2 (>= 1.0.3), libva2 (>= 2.2.0), libvdpau1 (>= 0.2), libwayland-client0 (>= 1.15.0), libwayland-cursor0 (>= 1.15.0), libwayland-egl1 (>= 1.15.0), libx11-6, libxext6, libxinerama1, libxkbcommon0 (>= 0.5.0), libxrandr2 (>= 2:1.2.99.3), libxss1, libxv1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)
Recommends: xdg-utils, youtube-dl (>= 2014.11.26)

unicorn:~$ apt-cache show smplayer-themes | egrep 'Depends|Suggests|Recommends'
Depends: smplayer

unicorn:~$ apt-cache show smplayer-l10n | egrep 'Depends|Suggests|Recommends'
Depends: smplayer (>= 20.6.0~ds0-1)

unicorn:~$ apt-cache show mplayer | egrep 'Depends|Suggests|Recommends'
Depends: liba52-0.7.4 (>= 0.7.4), libaa1 (>= 1.4p5), libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libass9 (>= 1:0.13.6), libaudio2, libavcodec58 (>= 7:4.2), libavformat58 (>= 7:4.2), libavutil56 (>= 7:4.0), libbluray2 (>= 1:0.2.2), libbs2b0, libc6 (>= 2.29), libcaca0 (>= 0.99.beta17-1), libcdio-cdda2 (>= 10.2+2.0.0), libcdio-paranoia2 (>= 10.2+2.0.0), libcdio19 (>= 2.1.0), libdca0 (>= 0.0.5), libdv4 (>= 1.0.0), libdvdnav4 (>= 4.1.3), libdvdread8 (>= 4.1.3), libegl1, libenca0 (>= 1.9), libfaad2 (>= 2.7), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.12.6), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libfribidi0 (>= 0.19.2), libgif7 (>= 5.1), libgl1, libjack-jackd2-0 (>= 1.9.10+20150825) | libjack-0.125, libjpeg62-turbo (>= 1.3.1), liblirc-client0, libmad0 (>= 0.15.1b-3), libmng1 (>= 1.0.10), libmpeg2-4 (>= 0.5.1), libmpg123-0 (>= 1.13.7), libogg0 (>= 1.0rc3), libopenal1 (>= 1.14), libpng16-16 (>= 1.6.2-1), libpostproc55 (>= 7:4.0), libpulse0 (>= 0.99.1), libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.11), libspeex1 (>= 1.2~beta3-1), libswresample3 (>= 7:4.0), libswscale5 (>= 7:4.0), libtheora0 (>= 1.0), libtinfo6 (>= 6), libvdpau1 (>= 0.2), libvorbisidec1 (>= 1.2.1+git20180316), libx11-6, libxext6, libxinerama1, libxss1, libxv1, libxvidcore4 (>= 1.2.2), libxvmc1 (>= 2:1.0.12), libxxf86dga1, libxxf86vm1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)
Suggests: bzip2, fontconfig, fonts-freefont-ttf, mplayer-doc, netselect | fping

Well, that one looks promising, maybe.  So perhaps the OP had mplayer
already installed, which would have short-cutted the "mpv | mplayer"
dependency in smplayer, and... who knows.  It's basically unfeasible to
track down an entire branching dependency hierarchy in this way by hand,
especially with no details provided by the OP.

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#235189

Greg Wooledge wrote:

> See, this *right here* is why you do not put important details only
> in the Subject: header.

Yeah, sorry, I just now noticed [Bullseye]

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#235716

Greg Wooledge composed on 2021-05-14 07:58 (UTC-0400):

> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 09:15:22AM +0200, deloptes wrote:

>> it is not clear which version of Debian you are using.
 
> See, this *right here* is why you do not put important details only
> in the Subject: header.
 
> Some people don't read Subject: headers.  Make sure all of the relevant
> details are in the *body* of your message (also).
										
Who reads a message who doesn't see the subject line??? If I don't see the
subject line first, I won't likely pay any attention to any message content,
if I see any at all.

...
> Now we try to guess which one(s) of those might have brought in the
> additional packages that weren't wanted.  This is made harder by not
> knowing in advance whether the OP had mpv or mplayer already installed,
> and not seeing the actual output of the "apt install smplayer" command
> that was used.  (That would have made it far too easy.)
...
> Well, that one looks promising, maybe.  So perhaps the OP had mplayer
> already installed, which would have short-cutted the "mpv | mplayer"
> dependency in smplayer, and... who knows.  It's basically unfeasible to
> track down an entire branching dependency hierarchy in this way by hand,
> especially with no details provided by the OP.
										
That seems quite an abundance of detail you seem to be expecting:
# inxi -Sxxxy
System:
  Host: gx78b Kernel: 5.10.0-5-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1
  Desktop: Trinity R14.0.11 tk: Qt 3.5.0 info: kicker wm: Twin 3.0 vt: 7
  dm: TDM Distro: Debian GNU/Linux bullseye/sid
# set | grep LANG
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
# fc-match sans
DroidSans.ttf: "Droid Sans" "Regular"
# fc-match monospace
DroidSansMono.ttf: "Droid Sans Mono" "Regular"
# fc-match 'dejavu sans'
DejaVuSans.ttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book"
# ls /usr/share/xsessions/
icewm-session.desktop  trinity.desktop
# dpkg -l | egrep 'mpv|mplayer'
# apt install smplayer
... 'apt autoremove' to remove them.
The following additional packages will be installed:
  fonts-urw-base35 imagemagick-7-common libdjvulibre-text libdjvulibre21 libffms2-4 libgs9 libgs9-common libijs-0.35 libjbig2dec0 libmagick++-7-5 libmagickcore-7-9 libmagickwand-7-9
  libmujs1 libqt5xml5 libraqm0 libraw20 libsixel1 libwmf0.2-7 libzip4 mpv poppler-data vapoursynth vapoursynth-ffms2
Suggested packages:
  fonts-freefont-otf | fonts-freefont-ttf fonts-texgyre libwmf0.2-7-gtk youtube-dl poppler-utils ghostscript fonts-japanese-mincho | fonts-ipafont-mincho fonts-japanese-gothic
  | fonts-ipafont-gothic fonts-arphic-ukai fonts-arphic-uming fonts-nanum
Recommended packages:
  fonts-droid-fallback ghostscript gsfonts smplayer-themes smplayer-l10n
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  fonts-urw-base35 imagemagick-7-common libdjvulibre-text libdjvulibre21 libffms2-4 libgs9 libgs9-common libijs-0.35 libjbig2dec0 libmagick++-7-5 libmagickcore-7-9 libmagickwand-7-9
  libmujs1 libqt5xml5 libraqm0 libraw20 libsixel1 libwmf0.2-7 libzip4 mpv poppler-data smplayer vapoursynth vapoursynth-ffms2
0 upgraded, 24 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
Need to get 19.1 MB of archives.
After this operation, 71.4 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
Abort.
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#235742

On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 11:47:26PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> Who reads a message who doesn't see the subject line???

> > On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 09:15:22AM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> >> it is not clear which version of Debian you are using.

There's one.

> # dpkg -l | egrep 'mpv|mplayer'
> # apt install smplayer
> ... 'apt autoremove' to remove them.
> The following additional packages will be installed:
>   fonts-urw-base35 imagemagick-7-common libdjvulibre-text libdjvulibre21 libffms2-4 libgs9 libgs9-common libijs-0.35 libjbig2dec0 libmagick++-7-5 libmagickcore-7-9 libmagickwand-7-9
>   libmujs1 libqt5xml5 libraqm0 libraw20 libsixel1 libwmf0.2-7 libzip4 mpv poppler-data vapoursynth vapoursynth-ffms2

OK, there's the list of packages that you seem to consider "bloat".

> Need to get 19.1 MB of archives.
> After this operation, 71.4 MB of additional disk space will be used.

This doesn't seem unreasonable to me, for a complete video/audio player
in the current year.  It's a hell of a lot smaller than, say, a web
browser.

Now, it's been so long since your original message that I forgot what
you were specifically asking.  So I went to the list archives to read
up.  Here's a piece of the original message:

> Even though Install-Recommends is false, apt wants
> to install mpv, imagemagick-common, and fonts-urw-base35.

I think we've already covered mpv, right?

unicorn:~$ apt-cache show smplayer | grep mpv
Depends: mpv (>= 0.6.2) | mplayer, [...]

Or, just read the description of the package you're installing:

Description-en: Complete front-end for MPlayer and mpv

smplayer is just a front-end for mpv (or mplayer), so obviously it's
going to install mpv (or mplayer).

Next, you complained about something you called "imagemagick-common" but
which we can now see is actually imagemagick-7-common.  It's a fair bet
that this was brought in by one of the other packages with "magick" in
its name, either libmagick++-7-5 or libmagickcore-7-9 or libmagickwand-7-9.

Here's where it starts to get fun:

unicorn:~$ apt-cache show libmagick++-7-5 | grep 7-common
E: No packages found

You're pulling in packages that are not part of Debian bullseye.  Perhaps
you're using that infamous "debian-multimedia" repository?

Good luck with that.

Finally, you asked about fonts-urw-base35.  Let's see if this is even in
Debian at all:

unicorn:~$ apt-cache show fonts-urw-base35 | grep Version
Version: 20200910-1

OK, good.  It's actually on topic.  It happens to be one that *I* have,
so let's see why I have it, maybe.

unicorn:~$ aptitude why fonts-urw-base35
i   ghostscript   Depends libgs9 (= 9.53.3~dfsg-7)       
i A libgs9        Depends libgs9-common (= 9.53.3~dfsg-7)
i A libgs9-common Depends fonts-urw-base35 (>= 20200910) 

And as we saw in your apt output, you're bringing in libgs9 and
libgs9-common.  Thus, the fonts-urw-base35 package is brought in as well.

Now you get to try to track down which package is bringing in libgs9.
It's not mpv or smplayer (at least not directly):

unicorn:~$ apt-cache show smplayer | grep libgs9
unicorn:~$ apt-cache show mpv | grep libgs9
unicorn:~$ 

So it must be one of the others in your list, some of which are not from
Debian.  Have fun tracking it down.

Or, you could stop caring.  It's a TINY amount of additional disk space,
well within the realm of rationality for a video player with an additional
front-end.

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