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Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my

Started byCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@surfnaked.ca>
First post2021-03-13 20:30 +0100
Last post2021-05-02 20:20 +0200
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  Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@surfnaked.ca> - 2021-03-13 20:30 +0100
    Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-13 21:50 +0100
      Re: Google vs. DDG Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-13 22:00 +0100
        Re: Google vs. DDG Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-03-13 22:30 +0100
        Re: Google vs. DDG <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-13 23:30 +0100
          Re: Google vs. DDG ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-03-14 00:10 +0100
            Re: Google vs. DDG Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-03-14 00:40 +0100
              Re: Google vs. DDG deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-14 10:10 +0100
                Re: Google vs. DDG Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-14 10:20 +0100
                  Re: Google vs. DDG deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-14 15:00 +0100
                    Re: Google vs. DDG Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-14 21:50 +0100
            Re: Google vs. DDG Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-03-14 00:50 +0100
              Re: Google vs. DDG ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-03-14 01:00 +0100
                Re: Google vs. DDG <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-14 10:00 +0100
      Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2021-03-13 22:10 +0100
      Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-13 22:40 +0100
        Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-14 00:00 +0100
          Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-14 10:10 +0100
            Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-14 11:00 +0100
              Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-14 11:20 +0100
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-14 12:20 +0100
                  Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-14 12:50 +0100
            Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-14 14:50 +0100
              Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-14 15:10 +0100
                Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-16 14:50 +0100
                  Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-16 15:10 +0100
                    Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-16 15:50 +0100
                      Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) tomas@tuxteam.de - 2021-03-16 16:10 +0100
                      Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-16 21:50 +0100
                        Re: Google vs. DDG ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-03-16 22:10 +0100
                        Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-16 22:50 +0100
                          Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-17 00:20 +0100
                        Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> - 2021-03-16 23:30 +0100
                          Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-17 00:20 +0100
                            Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-03-17 09:20 +0100
                    Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-28 17:10 +0200
                      Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) tomas@tuxteam.de - 2021-04-28 17:40 +0200
                      Re: Google vs. DDG Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-04-28 17:50 +0200
                        Re: Google vs. DDG <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-28 18:10 +0200
                        Re: Google vs. DDG Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-28 18:10 +0200
                          Re: Google vs. DDG Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-04-28 18:30 +0200
                            Re: Google vs. DDG Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-28 18:50 +0200
                              Re: Google vs. DDG Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-04-28 22:00 +0200
                      Re: Google vs. DDG <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-28 18:20 +0200
                      Re: Google vs. DDG Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-28 18:50 +0200
                      Re: Google vs. DDG Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-04-28 20:10 +0200
                      Re: Google vs. DDG davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2021-04-28 22:00 +0200
                      Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) riveravaldez <riveravaldezmail@gmail.com> - 2021-04-29 02:00 +0200
                        Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Yitzhak Grossman <ygrossman@gmx.com> - 2021-04-29 04:30 +0200
                          Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-29 09:30 +0200
                            Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-29 16:10 +0200
                              Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-29 17:10 +0200
                      Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-02 13:00 +0200
                        Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2021-05-02 13:30 +0200
                          Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2021-05-02 14:00 +0200
                          Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-05-02 14:10 +0200
                            Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-02 18:00 +0200
                              Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-05-02 18:20 +0200
                        Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-05-02 14:30 +0200
                          Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2021-05-02 14:50 +0200
                            Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-05-02 15:20 +0200
                              Re: Google vs. DDG Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-05-02 15:30 +0200
                        Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-05-02 14:30 +0200
                          Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-05-02 16:00 +0200
                        Re: Google vs. DDG Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-05-02 15:10 +0200
                          Re: Google vs. DDG <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-05-02 15:20 +0200
                          Re: Google vs. DDG deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-02 17:50 +0200
                            Re: Google vs. DDG Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-05-02 20:20 +0200

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#234712 — Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2021-05-02 15:20 +0200
SubjectRe: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)
Message-ID<CakaS-185-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#234709

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On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 02:47:17PM +0200, Michael Lange wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Sun, 2 May 2021 14:29:06 +0200
> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
> 
> (...)
> > If you set your browser's primary "web page" language it works,
> > too. That's probably what goes into the "Accept-Language" HTTP
> > request header. Would be nice if there were a way to set that
> > per-request...
> 
> when I just try to search for "language:en stieglitz" (without the
> quotes)

YES! That's what I was looking for. I wasn't sure DDG had this
feature (although I hoped for it).

Thanks
-- t

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#234713 — Re: Google vs. DDG

FromStefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Date2021-05-02 15:30 +0200
SubjectRe: Google vs. DDG
Message-ID<Cakkx-1bR-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#234712
>> when I just try to search for "language:en stieglitz" (without the
>> quotes)
> YES! That's what I was looking for. I wasn't sure DDG had this
> feature (although I hoped for it).

Sadly, it doesn't work when combined with `!w`.
[ and I think it'd make sense to allow the shorter `lang:de`.  ]

And of course, the term `language` is an obvious English bias.


        Stefan

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#234707 — Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

From"Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net>
Date2021-05-02 14:30 +0200
SubjectRe: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)
Message-ID<Cajot-CN-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#234702
Hi,

> Searching for "Stieglitz" DDG shows

With Javascript off:
1st try: Alfred Stieglitz
2nd try: Alfred Stieglitz, Joseph E. Stiglitz, Focke-Wulf Fw 44 Stieglitz
3rd try: Joseph E. Stiglitz, Alfred Stieglitz, Stieglitz Snyder Architecture,
         Christine Stieglitz
Quite random choice, but no birds.

"Stieglitz Vogel", too, yields no birds.

If i set the "All Regions" menu to "Germany" i get the bird as first
match, then the people and the Fw 44 air plane.

Google on the other hand knows where i am and that i understand german
and english language.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#234714 — Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2021-05-02 16:00 +0200
SubjectRe: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)
Message-ID<CakNz-1lr-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#234707
On 2021-05-02, Thomas Schmitt <scdbackup@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> Google on the other hand knows where i am and that i understand german
> and english language.

Ich spreche kein deutsch.

Here in France I got mainly Alfred from both search engines, with a few
birds peeping through further down.

> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas


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#234710 — Re: Google vs. DDG

FromStefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Date2021-05-02 15:10 +0200
SubjectRe: Google vs. DDG
Message-ID<Cak1c-14W-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#234702
> For example I wanted to know what is Stieglitz in German - it is kind
> of bird, but I wanted to know how it looks like.  DDG results did not
> even come close to a bird.

For these kinds of searches, I tend to go to Wikipedia first.
One of the reasons is that I can do that via the Wikipedia app which is
much more snappy than my browser on my smartphone.
Another is that I have much more confidence in the Wikimedia foundation
when it comes to treating me as a product.


        Stefan

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#234711 — Re: Google vs. DDG

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2021-05-02 15:20 +0200
SubjectRe: Google vs. DDG
Message-ID<CakaS-185-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 09:05:18AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > For example I wanted to know what is Stieglitz in German - it is kind
> > of bird, but I wanted to know how it looks like.  DDG results did not
> > even come close to a bird.
> 
> For these kinds of searches, I tend to go to Wikipedia first.

Me too :)

Sometimes I combine, e.g. DDG search and site:es.wikipedia.org, if I'm
interested in Spanish Wikipedia results.

> One of the reasons is that I can do that via the Wikipedia app which is
> much more snappy than my browser on my smartphone.
> Another is that I have much more confidence in the Wikimedia foundation
> when it comes to treating me as a product.

Agreed.

Cheers
 - t

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#234720 — Re: Google vs. DDG

Fromdeloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Date2021-05-02 17:50 +0200
SubjectRe: Google vs. DDG
Message-ID<Camw3-2u5-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#234710
Stefan Monnier wrote:

> For these kinds of searches, I tend to go to Wikipedia first.
> One of the reasons is that I can do that via the Wikipedia app which is
> much more snappy than my browser on my smartphone.
> Another is that I have much more confidence in the Wikimedia foundation
> when it comes to treating me as a product.

What confidence? Anonymous people correcting each other posts. You can't
trust scientists anymore not to speak of Wikipedia

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#234727 — Re: Google vs. DDG

FromStefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Date2021-05-02 20:20 +0200
SubjectRe: Google vs. DDG
Message-ID<CaoRb-45G-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#234720
deloptes [2021-05-02 17:44:42] wrote:
> Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> For these kinds of searches, I tend to go to Wikipedia first.
>> One of the reasons is that I can do that via the Wikipedia app which is
>> much more snappy than my browser on my smartphone.
>> Another is that I have much more confidence in the Wikimedia foundation
>> when it comes to treating me as a product.
> What confidence? Anonymous people correcting each other posts. You can't
> trust scientists anymore not to speak of Wikipedia

Please re-read what I wrote.  I did not talk about confidence in the contents.


        Stefan

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