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  HTML syntax. peter@easthope.ca - 2021-05-03 18:10 +0200
    Re: HTML syntax. Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-05-03 18:40 +0200
    Re: HTML syntax. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-05-03 18:40 +0200
    Re: HTML syntax. Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-05-03 18:40 +0200
    Re: HTML syntax. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-03 21:00 +0200
      Re: HTML syntax. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-05-03 21:50 +0200
        Re: HTML syntax. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-04 00:00 +0200
          Re: HTML syntax. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-05-04 09:10 +0200
            Re: HTML syntax. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-04 10:40 +0200
              Re: HTML syntax. Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-05-04 10:50 +0200
                Re: HTML syntax. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-04 16:40 +0200
              [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-05-04 11:20 +0200
                Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2021-05-04 16:00 +0200
                  Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-04 16:30 +0200
                    Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2021-05-04 18:40 +0200
                    Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2021-05-05 01:10 +0200
                      Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2021-05-05 09:10 +0200
                        Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-05 09:30 +0200
                          Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2021-05-05 09:50 +0200
                        Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-05-05 10:00 +0200
                          Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-05 10:20 +0200
                            Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-05-05 10:40 +0200
                              Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-05 13:50 +0200
                          Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2021-05-05 10:30 +0200
                            Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-05-05 11:30 +0200
                          Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-05-05 13:20 +0200
                      Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-05 09:20 +0200
    Re: HTML syntax. rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-05-04 19:30 +0200
      Re: HTML syntax. peter@easthope.ca - 2021-05-07 01:10 +0200
        Re: HTML syntax. Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-05-07 01:30 +0200

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#234759 — HTML syntax.

Hi again,

Is there an editor which checks that HTML opening and closing tags are 
paired and nested properly.  An opening tag without matching close, a 
closing tag without matching open and crossed tags should be flagged 
by line number or color.

Preferably an editor with minimal overhead of installation and 
configuration.

Thx,            ... P.



-- 
tel: +1 604 670 0140            Bcc: peter at easthope. ca

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#234761

peter composed on 2021-05-03 08:44 (UTC-0700):

> Is there an editor which checks that HTML opening and closing tags are 
> paired and nested properly.  An opening tag without matching close, a 
> closing tag without matching open and crossed tags should be flagged 
> by line number or color.

> Preferably an editor with minimal overhead of installation and 
> configuration.										
No installation, no configuration:
https://validator.w3.org/nu/
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
	based on faith, not based on science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

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On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 12:26:54PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > Is there an editor which checks that HTML opening and closing tags are 
> > paired and nested properly.  An opening tag without matching close, a 
> > closing tag without matching open and crossed tags should be flagged 
> > by line number or color.
> 
> Since Emacs's built-in `nxml-mode` does that, and Emacs is far from
> being the most popular HTML editor, I'd tend to assume that any editor
> worth its name provides that feature.

But not as well as Emacs does :-)

Cheers
 - t

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#234765

> Is there an editor which checks that HTML opening and closing tags are 
> paired and nested properly.  An opening tag without matching close, a 
> closing tag without matching open and crossed tags should be flagged 
> by line number or color.

Since Emacs's built-in `nxml-mode` does that, and Emacs is far from
being the most popular HTML editor, I'd tend to assume that any editor
worth its name provides that feature.


        Stefan

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#234772

peter@easthope.ca wrote:

> Hi again,
> 
> Is there an editor which checks that HTML opening and closing tags are
> paired and nested properly.  An opening tag without matching close, a
> closing tag without matching open and crossed tags should be flagged
> by line number or color.
> 
> Preferably an editor with minimal overhead of installation and
> configuration.
> 

HTML is not strict XML - so it depends on the definition of the page (my
knowledge is based on HTML2-4, but should apply to recent 5)
So it means that you can omit closing tag (check w3c.org)

Regarding checking XML - there is xmllint, but again it is not exactly
intended for HTML as it is not a strict language.

You are most likely looking for a HTML validator from which there are 100
online. 

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On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 08:50:52PM +0200, deloptes wrote:

[...]

> HTML is not strict XML - so it depends on the definition of the page (my
> knowledge is based on HTML2-4, but should apply to recent 5)
> So it means that you can omit closing tag (check w3c.org)
> 
> Regarding checking XML - there is xmllint, but again it is not exactly
> intended for HTML as it is not a strict language.

xmllint has an --html option for that. That said...

> You are most likely looking for a HTML validator from which there are 100
> online. 

...those will do, too.

Cheers
 - t

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#234780

tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> xmllint has an --html option for that. That said...

you sure that it will give a warning if tag is not closed? Cause I do not
think so. In fact the --html option seems to correct those missing tags.
All together it's a good tool, but I do not know how it applies to html5

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On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 11:54:58PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > xmllint has an --html option for that. That said...
> 
> you sure that it will give a warning if tag is not closed? Cause I do not
> think so. In fact the --html option seems to correct those missing tags.
> All together it's a good tool, but I do not know how it applies to html5

AFAIK it does HTML4.

HTML5 is a "living standard" [1], [2] which is an euphemism for "Apple,
Google, Microsoft and, to a slowly dwindling extent Mozilla, will tell
you what is supposed to work today".

The W3C consortium fought tooth and nail to fix a standard and lost.
Whatwg (the above mentioned Big Guys) imposed

Raph Levien called that, back then in 1998, "The decommoditization of
protocols" [1]. A visionary.

Remember this old joke (around 1990)

  Q: How many Microsoft engineers does it take to screw in a light bulb?
  A: None, they just define darkness as an industry standard. 

Well, we arrived there.

In a nutshell, no, I don't think libxml (which xmllint is part of) has the
resources to track this madness.

Cheers

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5
[2] https://html.spec.whatwg.org/
[3] https://www.levien.com/free/decommoditizing.html

-- t

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#234791

tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 11:54:58PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
>> tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> 
>> > xmllint has an --html option for that. That said...
>> 
>> you sure that it will give a warning if tag is not closed? Cause I do not
>> think so. In fact the --html option seems to correct those missing tags.
>> All together it's a good tool, but I do not know how it applies to html5
> 
> AFAIK it does HTML4.
> 
> HTML5 is a "living standard" [1], [2] which is an euphemism for "Apple,
> Google, Microsoft and, to a slowly dwindling extent Mozilla, will tell
> you what is supposed to work today".
> 
> The W3C consortium fought tooth and nail to fix a standard and lost.
> Whatwg (the above mentioned Big Guys) imposed
> 

so another one failure of opensource and free software

> Raph Levien called that, back then in 1998, "The decommoditization of
> protocols" [1]. A visionary.
> 
> Remember this old joke (around 1990)
> 
>   Q: How many Microsoft engineers does it take to screw in a light bulb?
>   A: None, they just define darkness as an industry standard.
> 
> Well, we arrived there.
> 

we are arriving in the middle ages - soon they start burning people alive or
send them to concentration camps for not believing in green energy,
Microsoft, Google or you name it. I just tried to find a video on ARTE that
I watched some time ago. Video was called "Umweltsünder E-Auto?"
They were forced to remove it :/ from their mediathek and from youtube

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#234795

On 04-05-2021 18:34, deloptes wrote:
> tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 11:54:58PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
>>> tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>>>
>>> > xmllint has an --html option for that. That said...
>>>
>>> you sure that it will give a warning if tag is not closed? Cause I do not
>>> think so. In fact the --html option seems to correct those missing tags.
>>> All together it's a good tool, but I do not know how it applies to html5
>>
>> AFAIK it does HTML4.
>>
>> HTML5 is a "living standard" [1], [2] which is an euphemism for "Apple,
>> Google, Microsoft and, to a slowly dwindling extent Mozilla, will tell
>> you what is supposed to work today".
>>
>> The W3C consortium fought tooth and nail to fix a standard and lost.
>> Whatwg (the above mentioned Big Guys) imposed
>>
> 
> so another one failure of opensource and free software
> 
>> Raph Levien called that, back then in 1998, "The decommoditization of
>> protocols" [1]. A visionary.
>>
>> Remember this old joke (around 1990)
>>
>>   Q: How many Microsoft engineers does it take to screw in a light bulb?
>>   A: None, they just define darkness as an industry standard.
>>
>> Well, we arrived there.
>>
> 
> we are arriving in the middle ages - soon they start burning people alive or
> send them to concentration camps for not believing in green energy,
> Microsoft, Google or you name it. I just tried to find a video on ARTE that
> I watched some time ago. Video was called "Umweltsünder E-Auto?"
> They were forced to remove it :/ from their mediathek and from youtube

Maybe they just moved it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyumbvFdDNo
Cheers!

Harry.

-- 
`The first stage of fascism should more appropriately be called
Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power'.
-- Mussolini

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#234808

Weaver wrote:

> Maybe they just moved it?
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyumbvFdDNo
> Cheers!

No the original one was 1.5h - full documentary

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#234796 — [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax.

Hi,

deloptes wrote:
> I just tried to find a video on ARTE

You believe french-german state TV ?


> I watched some time ago. Video was called "Umweltsünder E-Auto?"

For the non-germans: = "Environmental Sinner E-Car ?".

(It was a bit exaggerated as in several other documentaries of ARTE,
but also pointed out the problems in the overall environmental balance
sheet of battery driven indivual transport.)


> They were forced to remove it :/ from their mediathek and from youtube

German State TV is only allowed to offer its videos for a limited time.
In the case of a documentary it's 12 months. But the usual live span is
only 7 days.
  https://www.daserste.de/specials/ueber-uns/verweildauer-100.html
  Sections "Rundfunkstaatsvertrag" and "Auch mehr als 7 Tage"

The video in question was available from 24 november 2020 to 22 January
2021. This is mentioned in a follow-up audio critique by german state radio:
  https://www.swr.de/swr2/film-und-serie/umweltsuender-e-auto-unnoetig-verteufelt-100.html


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#234806 — Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax.

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On Tue, 4 May 2021, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Hi,
>
> deloptes wrote:
>> I just tried to find a video on ARTE
>
> You believe french-german state TV ?
>
>
>> I watched some time ago. Video was called "Umweltsünder E-Auto?"
>
> For the non-germans: = "Environmental Sinner E-Car ?".
>
> (It was a bit exaggerated as in several other documentaries of ARTE,
> but also pointed out the problems in the overall environmental balance
> sheet of battery driven indivual transport.)
>
>
>> They were forced to remove it :/ from their mediathek and from youtube
>
> German State TV is only allowed to offer its videos for a limited time.
> In the case of a documentary it's 12 months. But the usual live span is
> only 7 days.
>  https://www.daserste.de/specials/ueber-uns/verweildauer-100.html
>  Sections "Rundfunkstaatsvertrag" and "Auch mehr als 7 Tage"
>
> The video in question was available from 24 november 2020 to 22 January
> 2021. This is mentioned in a follow-up audio critique by german state radio:
>  https://www.swr.de/swr2/film-und-serie/umweltsuender-e-auto-unnoetig-verteufelt-100.html
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>
>

you can view it on youtube (if that's compliant with your principles) 
at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOxYuzOJV58>

fjd

-- 
Felmon Davis

Verbum sat sapienti.

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#234807 — Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax.

Felmon Davis wrote:

> you can view it on youtube (if that's compliant with your principles)
> at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOxYuzOJV58>

this is exactly the problem - the original video is not there, but the one
where someone comments on the video is there

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#234814 — Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax.

On Tue, 4 May 2021, deloptes wrote:

> Felmon Davis wrote:
>
>> you can view it on youtube (if that's compliant with your principles)
>> at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOxYuzOJV58>
>
> this is exactly the problem - the original video is not there, but the one
> where someone comments on the video is there

ah, my error!

f.

-- 
Felmon Davis

Verbum sat sapienti.

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#234836 — Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax.

On Tue, 4 May 2021, deloptes wrote:

> Felmon Davis wrote:
>
>> you can view it on youtube (if that's compliant with your principles)
>> at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOxYuzOJV58>
>
> this is exactly the problem - the original video is not there, but the one
> where someone comments on the video is there

I got intrigued (and again apologies for my error!) and weird but I 
found it here: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6gCdCC-HWo>.

I'm pretty sure it's the right video but check.

also I wonder if the link will work for you.

f.

-- 
Felmon Davis

Verbum sat sapienti.

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#234849 — Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax.

Hi,

On Wed, 5 May 2021 01:06:30 +0200 (CEST)
Felmon Davis <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 4 May 2021, deloptes wrote:
> 
> > Felmon Davis wrote:
> >
> >> you can view it on youtube (if that's compliant with your principles)
> >> at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOxYuzOJV58>
> >
> > this is exactly the problem - the original video is not there, but
> > the one where someone comments on the video is there
> 
> I got intrigued (and again apologies for my error!) and weird but I 
> found it here: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6gCdCC-HWo>.
> 
> I'm pretty sure it's the right video but check.
> 
> also I wonder if the link will work for you.

now I got curious too. 
Oddly, it seems like the German public TV station ZDF blocked the video
for Germany due to "intellectual property rights" which are not explained
any further. Maybe the real copyright holders still hope to earn money by
somehow selling their documentary to the audience.

Regards

Michael


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#234852 — Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax.

Michael Lange wrote:

> now I got curious too.
> Oddly, it seems like the German public TV station ZDF blocked the video
> for Germany due to "intellectual property rights" which are not explained
> any further. Maybe the real copyright holders still hope to earn money by
> somehow selling their documentary to the audience.

You are saying you can not open the link (may be better to say watch the
video) in Germany?!
But this is not ZDF video - it is ARTE documentary. 
Please share information. I am sitting in Austria and I can watch and I am
downloading right now.

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#234853 — Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax.

Hi,

On Wed, 05 May 2021 09:16:55 +0200
deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:

> Michael Lange wrote:
> 
> > now I got curious too.
> > Oddly, it seems like the German public TV station ZDF blocked the
> > video for Germany due to "intellectual property rights" which are not
> > explained any further. Maybe the real copyright holders still hope to
> > earn money by somehow selling their documentary to the audience.
> 
> You are saying you can not open the link (may be better to say watch the
> video) in Germany?!
> But this is not ZDF video - it is ARTE documentary. 
> Please share information. I am sitting in Austria and I can watch and I
> am downloading right now.
> 

as I said, it is blocked in Germany, and according to what yt says it
looks like ZDF holds copyrights for Germany.
My guess is that the film was produced by some third party and the German
copyrights were purchased by ZDF and then passed on to Arte (it is not
unusual that ZDF produced material is actually shown on Arte, there is
obviously some sort of cooperation between those two). Maybe it was even
some sort of international co-production. Personally I don't care enough
to further investigate, you can certainly see the details during the
closing credits.
But all this is really far off-topic here, so i guess this discussion
should better come to an end.
I hope you enjoy the film!

Regards

Michael


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#234854 — Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax.

Hi,

Michael Lange wrote:
> Oddly, it seems like the German public TV station ZDF blocked the video
> for Germany due to "intellectual property rights" which are not explained
> any further.

The reason for not eternally offering videos for download is in the legal
framework of german state TV. (In german: "Rundfunkstaatsvertrag", now
"Medienstaatsvertrag".)

State run TV collects mandatory fees from all households for the purpose
of broadcasting radio and TV. When the internet became important for
publishing, the private german newspaper publishers and TV stations
objected that the state run TV used those fees for financing a strong
web appearance. The compromise, which is now law, was the rule that
videos and audio are publicly available only for a limited time.
  https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96ffentlich-rechtlicher_Rundfunk#Engagement_im_Internet
  https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depublizieren

We had cases of self-censoring which led to depublication. I remember
the song "Meine Oma ist 'ne alte Umweltsau" (= "My granny is an old
environmental hog"), sung by a children choir and produced by TV station
WDR in 2019. That video was retracted after conservative politicians
complained about the insult towards their main voter group.
  https://www.sueddeutsche.de/medien/wdr-umweltsau-kinderchor-satire-1.4738637

But i really do not see any such censoring with the video about
environmental problems with electrical cars. It was aired and then
available for two months. Business as good or bad as ever.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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