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  Piano live recording (was: Live recording) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2021-05-04 10:20 +0200
    Re: Piano live recording Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-05-04 10:40 +0200
      Re: Piano live recording Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2021-05-04 10:50 +0200
    Re: Piano live recording (was: Live recording) didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2021-05-04 10:50 +0200
      Re: Piano live recording Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-05-04 10:50 +0200
    Re: Piano live recording (was: Live recording) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-05-04 12:30 +0200
    Re: Piano live recording (was: Live recording) "Jeremy Nicoll" <jn.ml.dbn.25@letterboxes.org> - 2021-05-04 13:00 +0200
      Re: Piano live recording Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2021-05-04 14:10 +0200
    Re: Piano live recording (was: Live recording) David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2021-05-05 01:00 +0200
      Re: Piano live recording Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2021-05-05 09:20 +0200

#234788 — Piano live recording (was: Live recording)

Hi all.

I've just bought a Behringer UMC404HD audio interface and want to record live
piano by placing two microphones one at the trebles and one at the bass.  Is it
better to use mono or omni directional microphones?  In particular, which do
you suggest between Bheringer B5 either Behringer C2 twins?

Thanks for any help,

Rodolfo

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#234790 — Re: Piano live recording

On 04-05-2021 18:16, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> I've just bought a Behringer UMC404HD audio interface and want to record live
> piano by placing two microphones one at the trebles and one at the bass.  Is it
> better to use mono or omni directional microphones?  In particular, which do
> you suggest between Bheringer B5 either Behringer C2 twins?

Upright or grand?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHP5m83peSU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8OXF9VvJIc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POjRN5EQN-M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADgGySEB8Mg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgibHCjh7dM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BeLIzS-3GU
Cheers!

Harry.

-- 
`The first stage of fascism should more appropriately be called
Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power'.
-- Mussolini

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#234792 — Re: Piano live recording

Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> writes:

> On 04-05-2021 18:16, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>> I've just bought a Behringer UMC404HD audio interface and want to record
>> live piano by placing two microphones one at the trebles and one at the
>> bass.  Is it better to use mono or omni directional microphones?  In
>> particular, which do you suggest between Bheringer B5 either Behringer C2
>> twins?
>
> Upright or grand?


Upright. Thanks...

Rodolfo

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#234793

Shure publishes a doc for best using microphones for particular 
instruments (grand and upright pianos: pages 24-25):
 
https://www.shure.com/damfiles/default/global/documents/publications/en/performance-production/microphone_techniques_for_live_sound_reinforcement_english.pdf-3df433145fca686a736beeb5da588efa.pdf

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#234794 — Re: Piano live recording

On 04-05-2021 18:39, didier gaumet wrote:
> Shure publishes a doc for best using microphones for particular
> instruments (grand and upright pianos: pages 24-25):
> 
> https://www.shure.com/damfiles/default/global/documents/publications/en/performance-production/microphone_techniques_for_live_sound_reinforcement_english.pdf-3df433145fca686a736beeb5da588efa.pdf
 Yes, Shure and/or AKG would be my choices
Cheers!

Harry.
-- 
`The first stage of fascism should more appropriately be called
Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power'.
-- Mussolini

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#234798

Rodolfo Medina wrote: 
> I've just bought a Behringer UMC404HD audio interface and want to record live
> piano by placing two microphones one at the trebles and one at the bass.  Is it
> better to use mono or omni directional microphones?  In particular, which do
> you suggest between Bheringer B5 either Behringer C2 twins?


The B5 is a general purpose instrument mic with both cardioid
and omni capsules (swappable). You can put one in each position
and figure out which you like where. You will get the instrument
sound and little else. If your room is not particularly good, or
you will be sending your part in to be mixed with others, this
is a pretty good idea.

The C2 is a pair of cardioids designed for recording in stereo
at a distance. If you are performing in a particular space
and want to capture the experience of being in the audience, or
you want to capture a live event, or any other situation where
you want the whole rather than individual instruments to be
mixed later, the C2 is what you want -- except that a pair of
B5s with the cardioid capsules can do the same job, so a pair of
B5s is more flexible.

-dsr-

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#234799

On Tue, 4 May 2021, at 09:16, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> 
> I've just bought a Behringer UMC404HD audio interface and want to record live
> piano by placing two microphones one at the trebles and one at the bass.

The result of recording like this will (presumably) mimic what a player would 
hear, but won't sound so much like what any listener some distance from the 
piano would hear.  You might also capture more noise from the mechanical 
action, than would be apparent at a distance.

If people are listening to a pianist, in a concert hall, none of the listeners sit
under or just over the piano, and none are usually hearing bass in one ear
and treble in the other!

In a concert hall, the ambience/reverberation characteristics of the hall will
make a big difference to the result, as will things like whether (for a grand
piano) wheher the lid is up a little or a lot.  For an upright piano you might
also think about whether its lid is open, and whether the piano is against a
wall.

There's also a philosophical difference between the sort of mic placement
you're thinking of doing - close-micing an instrument and then (perhaps)
applying digital effects, EQ etc afterwards, versus simply trying to capture
the sound/feel of the instrument in the space it is in.


> Is it better to use mono or omni directional microphones?  

Omni-directional mics are also mono, usually.  The polar response (ie 
omni / figure of 8 / cardioid / hypercardioid) is not a mono/stereo 
choice.  

Stereo (or multi-channel) mics in a single body may also offer control
over the "width" of the stereo image, or even (eg for Soundfield mics)
the ability to adjust the array of capsules so they appear to tilt/point 
in different directions.  

-- 
Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

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#234802 — Re: Piano live recording

"Jeremy Nicoll" <jn.ml.dbn.25@letterboxes.org> writes:

> On Tue, 4 May 2021, at 09:16, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>> 
>> Is it better to use mono or omni directional microphones?  
>
> Omni-directional mics are also mono, usually.


Thanks, Jeremy...  I meant `monodirectional or omnidirectional...?'

Rodolfo

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#234835

On Tue, 4 May 2021 at 18:17, Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've just bought a Behringer UMC404HD audio interface and want to record live
> piano by placing two microphones one at the trebles and one at the bass.  Is it
> better to use mono or omni directional microphones?  In particular, which do
> you suggest between Bheringer B5 either Behringer C2 twins?

Hi. Even though this list is extraordinarily helpful, please don't have
conversations here that are entirely unrelated to Debian.

You could ask questions about microphone technique on
  linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org
which is also very helpful with many knowledgeable readers responding.

And I see you were active on that list recently, so perhaps you accidentally
sent this question to the wrong list?

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#234851 — Re: Piano live recording

David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> writes:

> On Tue, 4 May 2021 at 18:17, Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've just bought a Behringer UMC404HD audio interface and want to record
>> live piano by placing two microphones one at the trebles and one at the
>> bass.  Is it better to use mono or omni directional microphones?  In
>> particular, which do you suggest between Bheringer B5 either Behringer C2
>> twins?
>
> Hi. Even though this list is extraordinarily helpful, please don't have
> conversations here that are entirely unrelated to Debian.
>
> You could ask questions about microphone technique on
>   linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org
> which is also very helpful with many knowledgeable readers responding.
>
> And I see you were active on that list recently, so perhaps you accidentally
> sent this question to the wrong list?


Thanks.  4 years ago I started the present conversation ("Live recording") and
listers suggested me to get an audio interface.  Now I bought one and resumed
the conversation.  For the particular problem of "multichannel playback" some
listers here suggested me to apply linux.audio.users mailing list.

Cheers,
Rodolfo

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