Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > linux.debian.user > #234589 > unrolled thread

how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail?

Back to article view | Back to linux.debian.user

Contents

  how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Gregor Zattler <telegraph@gmx.net> - 2021-04-28 20:30 +0200
    Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Kushal Kumaran <kushal@locationd.net> - 2021-04-29 03:40 +0200
      Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-04-29 09:10 +0200
        Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-29 09:40 +0200
          Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-04-29 14:20 +0200
            Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-29 14:30 +0200
              Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? tomas@tuxteam.de - 2021-04-29 14:40 +0200
                Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? tomas@tuxteam.de - 2021-04-29 16:30 +0200
              Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-04-29 15:10 +0200
                Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-04-29 15:20 +0200
                  Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-29 16:50 +0200
                    Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? tomas@tuxteam.de - 2021-04-29 17:50 +0200
                      Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-04-29 21:40 +0200
                        Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-29 21:50 +0200
                        Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-04-30 02:30 +0200
                          Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-30 08:50 +0200
                            Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-04-30 15:30 +0200
                              Free vs proprietary [was: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 /  davmail?] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-30 16:20 +0200
                                Re: Free vs proprietary [was: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail?] deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-04-30 22:20 +0200
                          Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-04-30 10:20 +0200
                            Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-30 10:40 +0200
                              Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-04-30 12:40 +0200
                Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-29 16:50 +0200
              Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-04-29 21:50 +0200
                Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-29 21:50 +0200
                  Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-04-29 23:50 +0200
                Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-04-30 10:10 +0200
                  Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-04-30 21:50 +0200
                    Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-04-30 22:20 +0200
                      Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-01 09:30 +0200
                        Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-05-01 10:30 +0200
                          Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-05-01 10:40 +0200
                          Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-01 12:10 +0200
                            Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-05-01 17:50 +0200
                              [Off-topic] When in Rome... <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-05-01 18:00 +0200
                                Re: [Off-topic] When in Rome... deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-01 19:10 +0200
                        Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Ángel <debian-user@debian.16bits.net> - 2021-05-03 01:50 +0200
                          OT Reading brainwaves [was: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365  / davmail?] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-05-03 09:10 +0200
                  Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-04-30 23:30 +0200
                    Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-05-01 09:40 +0200
                      Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-05-01 10:20 +0200
                      Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-05-03 10:30 +0200
                        Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-05-03 16:10 +0200
                          Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-05-04 19:10 +0200
                        Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-05-03 16:50 +0200
                          Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-05-03 17:30 +0200
                            Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-05-03 18:30 +0200
                              Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-05-03 18:40 +0200
                                [OFFTOPIC] Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-05-03 19:00 +0200
                                Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-05-03 21:40 +0200
                                  [OFFTOPIC] Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-05-03 21:50 +0200
                                    Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-05-03 22:10 +0200
                                      Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 /  davmail? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-05-03 22:40 +0200
                                    Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-05-04 18:10 +0200
                                      Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-05-04 18:40 +0200
              Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-05-01 09:10 +0200
                Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-05-01 10:30 +0200
            Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2021-04-29 15:10 +0200
              Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-04-29 15:30 +0200
              Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-04-29 21:20 +0200
                Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-05-27 15:20 +0200
              Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-04-30 15:30 +0200
            Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-04-29 15:20 +0200
              Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-04-29 15:50 +0200
                Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Michael Grant <mgrant@grant.org> - 2021-04-29 16:40 +0200
                  Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 /          davmail? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2021-04-29 19:00 +0200
                    Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Kushal Kumaran <kushal@locationd.net> - 2021-04-30 05:20 +0200
                      Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 /          davmail? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2021-04-30 18:30 +0200
    Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Jonathan Siegle <jsiegle@psu.edu> - 2021-04-29 14:40 +0200
      Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-29 14:50 +0200
      Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail? Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2021-05-27 15:30 +0200

Page 3 of 4 — ← Prev page 1 2 [3] 4  Next page →

#234686

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

On Sat, May 01, 2021 at 08:31:04AM +0100, Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:25:20 -0400
> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
> 
> > > viewing material because it's about ten years old. But when we
> > > inevitably replace it and have no choice about accepting a 'smart'
> > > TV,  
> > 
> > There are still normal TVs around.
> > 
> 
> Yes, but not many. We would want another 32" TV, and today the majority
> of those are not 'smart', in fact they're still advertised as 'HD Ready'
> i.e. 720 lines, after we've had 1080 line transmissions for many years.
> But our current TV may go on another ten years, by which time all TVs
> will be spying devices.

For one, in ten years I won't be able to afford a 32". Yes, the TV itself
will be obscenely cheap, but the flat to put it in will be correspondingly
expensive. So it'll be 16" ;-)

For two, the WiFi [1] antenna is pretty easy to locate within the PCB. A
strategically placed solder blob will take care of that one :-]

Cheers

[1] Yeah, I know: at that time, it'll be called Bluetooth VVVLE NewFang™
   or something. But the underlying physics are invariant to marketing
   fads.

 - t

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#234746

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

On Sb, 01 mai 21, 08:31:04, Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:25:20 -0400
> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
> 
> > > viewing material because it's about ten years old. But when we
> > > inevitably replace it and have no choice about accepting a 'smart'
> > > TV,  
> > 
> > There are still normal TVs around.
> > 
> 
> Yes, but not many. We would want another 32" TV, and today the majority
> of those are not 'smart', in fact they're still advertised as 'HD Ready'
> i.e. 720 lines, after we've had 1080 line transmissions for many years.
> But our current TV may go on another ten years, by which time all TVs
> will be spying devices.

Get a computer monitor instead. In ten years most (if not all) 
traditional TV stations will likely have switched to streaming via the 
internet anyway ;)

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#234753

On Monday,  3 May 2021 at 11:23, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> Get a computer monitor instead. In ten years most (if not all) 
> traditional TV stations will likely have switched to streaming via the 
> internet anyway ;)

When I went to order a 60" monitor for a meeting room at work, I found
that the equivalent TV (same screen/hardware as the monitor but with a
tuner) was half the price.  We bought the TV.

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50 & org 9.4.5 on Debian bullseye/sid

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#234818

On Monday, May 03, 2021 10:03:39 AM Eric S Fraga wrote:
> On Monday,  3 May 2021 at 11:23, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > Get a computer monitor instead. In ten years most (if not all)
> > traditional TV stations will likely have switched to streaming via the
> > internet anyway ;)
> 
> When I went to order a 60" monitor for a meeting room at work, I found
> that the equivalent TV (same screen/hardware as the monitor but with a
> tuner) was half the price.  We bought the TV.

+1

Similar experience 7 or so years ago buying two  32" TVs (1080P (lines) 
capable) -- work great (for me) as monitors (some people might want more 
resolution, but I don't have a problem -- everything is bigger for my old 
eyes)..

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#234755

On Mon 03 May 2021 at 11:23:51 (+0300), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 01 mai 21, 08:31:04, Joe wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:25:20 -0400
> > Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > 
> > > > viewing material because it's about ten years old. But when we
> > > > inevitably replace it and have no choice about accepting a 'smart'
> > > > TV,  
> > > 
> > > There are still normal TVs around.
> > > 
> > 
> > Yes, but not many. We would want another 32" TV, and today the majority
> > of those are not 'smart', in fact they're still advertised as 'HD Ready'
> > i.e. 720 lines, after we've had 1080 line transmissions for many years.
> > But our current TV may go on another ten years, by which time all TVs
> > will be spying devices.
> 
> Get a computer monitor instead. In ten years most (if not all) 
> traditional TV stations will likely have switched to streaming via the 
> internet anyway ;)

Couldn't possibly afford it. Our last two TVs were $234 (55") and
$250 (43", inc Roku). It costs $330 for the cheapest 34" monitor at
https://www.pcmag.com/deals/best-computer-monitor-deals-this-month

The only walk-in monitor is $350 for 34" at BestBuy, but it has to
be ultra-wide. (Both TVs were walk-ins.) Otherwise, it's down to 32"
for $170 at Walmart, or 24" for $230 at Target.

Cheers,
David.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#234756

David Wright wrote: 
> On Mon 03 May 2021 at 11:23:51 (+0300), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Sb, 01 mai 21, 08:31:04, Joe wrote:
> > > On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:25:20 -0400
> > > Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > viewing material because it's about ten years old. But when we
> > > > > inevitably replace it and have no choice about accepting a 'smart'
> > > > > TV,  
> > > > 
> > > > There are still normal TVs around.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Yes, but not many. We would want another 32" TV, and today the majority
> > > of those are not 'smart', in fact they're still advertised as 'HD Ready'
> > > i.e. 720 lines, after we've had 1080 line transmissions for many years.
> > > But our current TV may go on another ten years, by which time all TVs
> > > will be spying devices.
> > 
> > Get a computer monitor instead. In ten years most (if not all) 
> > traditional TV stations will likely have switched to streaming via the 
> > internet anyway ;)
> 
> Couldn't possibly afford it. Our last two TVs were $234 (55") and
> $250 (43", inc Roku). It costs $330 for the cheapest 34" monitor at
> https://www.pcmag.com/deals/best-computer-monitor-deals-this-month
> 
> The only walk-in monitor is $350 for 34" at BestBuy, but it has to
> be ultra-wide. (Both TVs were walk-ins.) Otherwise, it's down to 32"
> for $170 at Walmart, or 24" for $230 at Target.

Since, after all, this is Debian:

Use your choice of:

    - dhcpd: specify the MAC address into a special pool which
      gets an IP address but a default router that doesn't exist

    - ebtables: filter out the MAC address so that it's not
      allowed to pass through your firewall

    - iptables: filter out the IP address you assign to the TV
      so it can't pass through the firewall

The MAC addresses will be on the TV's back panel, or you can
sniff for their DHCP requests. 

There: now your smart-ass TV is a monitor again.

-dsr-

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#234760

> There: now your smart-ass TV is a monitor again.

At least until they start using a cell-connection for Internet access
(which would seem only natural in the world of TVs, which historically
got their programs over the air) :-(


        Stefan

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#234762

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 12:24:48PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > There: now your smart-ass TV is a monitor again.
> 
> At least until they start using a cell-connection for Internet access
> (which would seem only natural in the world of TVs, which historically
> got their programs over the air) :-(

Cars do that already. Why shouldn't TVs? Or pet collars?

Cheers
 - t

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#234767 — [OFFTOPIC] Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail?

>> > There: now your smart-ass TV is a monitor again.
>> At least until they start using a cell-connection for Internet access
>> (which would seem only natural in the world of TVs, which historically
>> got their programs over the air) :-(
> Cars do that already. Why shouldn't TVs? Or pet collars?

Don't know about pet collars, but for TVs I'm pretty sure it's only
a question of time.


        Stefan

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#234773

On Mon 03 May 2021 at 18:32:13 (+0200), tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 12:24:48PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > > There: now your smart-ass TV is a monitor again.
> > 
> > At least until they start using a cell-connection for Internet access
> > (which would seem only natural in the world of TVs, which historically
> > got their programs over the air) :-(
> 
> Cars do that already. Why shouldn't TVs? Or pet collars?

It doesn't seem sensible to put a cell-connection into each TV
when they're all immobile. OTOH cars and pets go places.

And is 20GB of data per day a "reasonable usage" on a mobile data plan?
Whereas 1TB per month on a fixed line is quite normal.

Cheers,
David.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#234775 — [OFFTOPIC] Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail?

> It doesn't seem sensible to put a cell-connection into each TV
> when they're all immobile. OTOH cars and pets go places.
>
> And is 20GB of data per day a "reasonable usage" on a mobile data plan?
> Whereas 1TB per month on a fixed line is quite normal.

These arguments seem stuck in the present.

After all we already have "stationary cell phone" services to replace
land-line phone services and I think most "phone" companies would be
looking forward to a future where there's no "last mile" any more, there
are only cell towers instead.


        Stefan

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#234778 — Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail?

On Mon 03 May 2021 at 15:47:07 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:

> > It doesn't seem sensible to put a cell-connection into each TV
> > when they're all immobile. OTOH cars and pets go places.
> >
> > And is 20GB of data per day a "reasonable usage" on a mobile data plan?
> > Whereas 1TB per month on a fixed line is quite normal.
> 
> These arguments seem stuck in the present.
> 
> After all we already have "stationary cell phone" services to replace
> land-line phone services and I think most "phone" companies would be
> looking forward to a future where there's no "last mile" any more, there
> are only cell towers instead.

Never a truer word and obviously based on great insight.

Will this impact on Debian users and the problems they face?

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#234779 — Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail?

On Mon, 3 May 2021 21:03:51 +0100
Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon 03 May 2021 at 15:47:07 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> 
> > > It doesn't seem sensible to put a cell-connection into each TV
> > > when they're all immobile. OTOH cars and pets go places.
> > >
> > > And is 20GB of data per day a "reasonable usage" on a mobile data
> > > plan? Whereas 1TB per month on a fixed line is quite normal.  
> > 
> > These arguments seem stuck in the present.
> > 
> > After all we already have "stationary cell phone" services to
> > replace land-line phone services and I think most "phone" companies
> > would be looking forward to a future where there's no "last mile"
> > any more, there are only cell towers instead.  
> 
> Never a truer word and obviously based on great insight.
> 
> Will this impact on Debian users and the problems they face?
> 

It may well do. Spyware through your own network can be somewhat
mitigated by firewalling, but not if the offending device has its own
Net connection.

And we've already seen the suggestion of disabling such a connection,
which will work until the device is deliberately designed not to work
if it can't phone home, or one's government makes it illegal to
disconnect it.

-- 
Joe

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#234811 — Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail?

On Mon 03 May 2021 at 15:47:07 (-0400), Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > It doesn't seem sensible to put a cell-connection into each TV
> > when they're all immobile. OTOH cars and pets go places.
> >
> > And is 20GB of data per day a "reasonable usage" on a mobile data plan?
> > Whereas 1TB per month on a fixed line is quite normal.
> 
> These arguments seem stuck in the present.
> 
> After all we already have "stationary cell phone" services to replace
> land-line phone services

They've been around for years. I can't see them as anything more than
an option for businesses.

> and I think most "phone" companies would be
> looking forward to a future where there's no "last mile" any more, there
> are only cell towers instead.

That may be, but I think most people would prefer the reliability of
FTTP or even FTTC if it's available. AIUI with wireless, there's a lot
less certainty about what service you're getting, as "5G" covers a
multitude of different deployments. One only ever hears headlines
about the top speeds achievable, and never about mediocre Low-band 5G.

I'm also interested to know how good a service you actually get within
buildings, where most of us are most of the time. I see that wireless
repeaters are recommended according to a home's floor area. Are they
repeating 30GHz round the house, or conventional 2/5GHz? If the
latter, there's no need for replacing any of your normal Wifi devices
at all. You just get a cell-modem instead of a cable- or ADSL-modem.

Cheers,
David.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#234815 — Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail?

> I'm also interested to know how good a service you actually get within
> buildings, where most of us are most of the time. I see that wireless
> repeaters are recommended according to a home's floor area. Are they
> repeating 30GHz round the house, or conventional 2/5GHz? If the
> latter, there's no need for replacing any of your normal Wifi devices
> at all. You just get a cell-modem instead of a cable- or ADSL-modem.

I just hope you're right ;-)


        Stefan

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#234683

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

On Jo, 29 apr 21, 14:21:22, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> BTW I'm not really a luddite [1]. I'd consider a smart phone if I
> had a comparable control over its guts as I have of my laptop, take
> or give. Those options are, alas, a tad to pricey for my current
> income.

The PinePhone is interesting.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#234687

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

On Sat, May 01, 2021 at 10:04:17AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 29 apr 21, 14:21:22, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > 
> > BTW I'm not really a luddite [1]. I'd consider a smart phone if I
> > had a comparable control over its guts as I have of my laptop, take
> > or give. Those options are, alas, a tad to pricey for my current
> > income.
> 
> The PinePhone is interesting.

Yes, I know. It is in my shortlist. And, ah... the pinecil :-)

Cheers
 - t

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#234615

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

On 29/04/2021 13:11, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> Dystopian is right.  Our organization, using O365, has moved to
> "multi-factor authentication" without consultation and I can no longer
> use gnus, for instance.  Absolutely horrible.

Ask your administrator to enable "Per Application Passwords" -
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/active-directory/user-help/multi-factor-authentication-end-user-app-passwords

The idea here is that, if a human is logging in, they still provide two
factors (something they know and something they have) via the TOTP
mechanism. But for automated access, where an application is logging in
on behalf of that user, the user generates a long one-off password ONLY
for that application. This works a bit like an API key - password #1 is
for gnus on laptop 1, password #2 is for Fetchmail on laptop 1, password
#3 is for gnus on laptop 2 and so on. Each instance of an application
gets its own long password.

It's ostensibly more secure than storing the user's password in that
application because:

* Per-App passwords are computer-generated. They can be tested for high
entropy and regenerated instantaneously, before a "good" password is
offered to the user. (I don't know whether this is actually done, or
whether it's just the output of a pRNG password generator)

* Per-App passwords can be revoked without spoiling access to other
applications. Did laptop 2 get stolen? Just revoke password #3 and you
don't need to change the passwords stored on Laptop 1.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#234620

On Thursday, 29 Apr 2021 at 14:03, Darac Marjal wrote:
> Ask your administrator to enable "Per Application Passwords" -

Thank you.  I've looked at this and it looks feasible (if they enable
this which is unfortunately not very likely but still worth asking).

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50 & org 9.4.5 on Debian bullseye/sid

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#234632

Darac Marjal wrote:

> Ask your administrator to enable "Per Application Passwords" -

The admin says "F**k off" :D

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

Page 3 of 4 — ← Prev page 1 2 [3] 4  Next page →

Back to top | Article view | linux.debian.user

csiph-web