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Colemak layout at boot time

Started bypiorunz <piorunz@gmx.com>
First post2021-09-18 13:10 +0200
Last post2021-09-19 22:20 +0200
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  Colemak layout at boot time piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-18 13:10 +0200
    Re: Colemak layout at boot time David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-09-18 21:10 +0200
      Re: Colemak layout at boot time piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-18 23:00 +0200
        Re: Colemak layout at boot time David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-09-19 06:50 +0200
          Re: Colemak layout at boot time "Gareth Evans" <donotspam@fastmail.fm> - 2021-09-19 07:20 +0200
            Re: Colemak layout at boot time "Gareth Evans" <donotspam@fastmail.fm> - 2021-09-19 12:50 +0200
              Re: Colemak layout at boot time "Gareth Evans" <donotspam@fastmail.fm> - 2021-09-19 14:10 +0200
                Re: Colemak layout at boot time "Gareth Evans" <donotspam@fastmail.fm> - 2021-09-19 14:30 +0200
                  Re: Colemak layout at boot time piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-19 14:50 +0200
                    Re: Colemak layout at boot time "Gareth Evans" <donotspam@fastmail.fm> - 2021-09-19 15:10 +0200
                      Re: Colemak layout at boot time piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-19 15:30 +0200
                        Re: Colemak layout at boot time Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-09-19 21:40 +0200
                          Re: Colemak layout at boot time piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-19 22:40 +0200
                            Re: Colemak layout at boot time David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-09-20 01:40 +0200
          Re: Colemak layout at boot time piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-19 10:40 +0200
            Re: Colemak layout at boot time piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-19 12:40 +0200
            Re: Colemak layout at boot time David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-09-19 21:40 +0200
              Re: [SOLVED] Re: Colemak layout at boot time piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-19 22:40 +0200
              [SOLVED] Re: Colemak layout at boot time piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-19 22:40 +0200
                Re: [SOLVED] Re: Colemak layout at boot time David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-09-20 01:40 +0200
                  Re: [SOLVED] Re: Colemak layout at boot time piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-20 02:40 +0200
                    Re: [SOLVED] Re: Colemak layout at boot time Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-09-20 07:00 +0200
                      Re: [SOLVED] Re: Colemak layout at boot time piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-20 16:20 +0200
                        Re: [SOLVED] Re: Colemak layout at boot time piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-20 23:10 +0200
    Re: Colemak layout at boot time Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-09-19 14:40 +0200
      Re: Colemak layout at boot time piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-19 14:50 +0200
        Re: Colemak layout at boot time Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-09-19 15:20 +0200
          Re: Colemak layout at boot time piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-19 21:00 +0200
            Re: Colemak layout at boot time David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-09-19 22:10 +0200
            Re: Colemak layout at boot time Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-09-19 22:20 +0200

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#240187 — Re: [SOLVED] Re: Colemak layout at boot time

Frompiorunz <piorunz@gmx.com>
Date2021-09-20 02:40 +0200
SubjectRe: [SOLVED] Re: Colemak layout at boot time
Message-ID<CZfvH-5Ce-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#240185
On 20/09/2021 00:33, David Wright wrote:

>> Problem with keyboard-configuration: should this be reported as a bug?
>> sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration should trigger
>> update-initramfs on it's own, automatically, otherwise effects of this
>> command are being ignored until new kernel arrives, computer is rebooted
>> with new kernel with new initramfs. Correct?
>
> It would be rather tedious to automate this for someone who's running
> it several times while trying to find/optimise the best layout/whatever.
> Perhaps a warning would suffice.

Should I report it as wishlist bug against keyboard-configuration?

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#240189 — Re: [SOLVED] Re: Colemak layout at boot time

FromAndrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
Date2021-09-20 07:00 +0200
SubjectRe: [SOLVED] Re: Colemak layout at boot time
Message-ID<CZjzj-8f1-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#240187

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On Lu, 20 sep 21, 01:35:14, piorunz wrote:
> On 20/09/2021 00:33, David Wright wrote:
> 
> > > Problem with keyboard-configuration: should this be reported as a bug?
> > > sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration should trigger
> > > update-initramfs on it's own, automatically, otherwise effects of this
> > > command are being ignored until new kernel arrives, computer is rebooted
> > > with new kernel with new initramfs. Correct?
> > 
> > It would be rather tedious to automate this for someone who's running
> > it several times while trying to find/optimise the best layout/whatever.
> > Perhaps a warning would suffice.
> 
> Should I report it as wishlist bug against keyboard-configuration?

Yes, that would be a good idea in my opinion.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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#240201 — Re: [SOLVED] Re: Colemak layout at boot time

Frompiorunz <piorunz@gmx.com>
Date2021-09-20 16:20 +0200
SubjectRe: [SOLVED] Re: Colemak layout at boot time
Message-ID<CZsjf-5ix-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#240189
On 20/09/2021 05:57, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 20 sep 21, 01:35:14, piorunz wrote:
>> On 20/09/2021 00:33, David Wright wrote:
>>
>>>> Problem with keyboard-configuration: should this be reported as a bug?
>>>> sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration should trigger
>>>> update-initramfs on it's own, automatically, otherwise effects of this
>>>> command are being ignored until new kernel arrives, computer is rebooted
>>>> with new kernel with new initramfs. Correct?
>>>
>>> It would be rather tedious to automate this for someone who's running
>>> it several times while trying to find/optimise the best layout/whatever.
>>> Perhaps a warning would suffice.
>>
>> Should I report it as wishlist bug against keyboard-configuration?
>
> Yes, that would be a good idea in my opinion.
>
> Kind regards,
> Andrei
>

Done!

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=994743

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#240213 — Re: [SOLVED] Re: Colemak layout at boot time

Frompiorunz <piorunz@gmx.com>
Date2021-09-20 23:10 +0200
SubjectRe: [SOLVED] Re: Colemak layout at boot time
Message-ID<CZyI1-L1-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#240201
Just checked Trisquel GNU/Linux behaviour. Installed latest Triskel (KDE
variation) in VM, results:

$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[sudo] password for pioruns:
Your console font configuration will be updated the next time your system
boots. If you want to update it now, run 'setupcon' from a virtual console.
update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated)
Processing triggers for initramfs-tools (0.130ubuntu3.13) ...
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-156-generic
I: The initramfs will attempt to resume from /dev/dm-2
I: (/dev/mapper/trisquel--vg-swap_1)
I: Set the RESUME variable to override this

So they have update-initramfs after keyboard-configuration change, and
very informative message about what's going on.
Debian should have that too!


On 20/09/2021 15:16, piorunz wrote:

> Done!
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=994743


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#240149

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2021-09-19 14:40 +0200
Message-ID<CZ4gV-7dU-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#240107
On 2021-09-18, piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> wrote:
>
> I already selected Colemak in KDE settings, and via sudo
> dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration. But this does not affect boot
> time password question and GRUB editor. Also virtual consoles still use
> default Qwerty.
>

Maybe something instructive here (or not):

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=246453

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#240151

Frompiorunz <piorunz@gmx.com>
Date2021-09-19 14:50 +0200
Message-ID<CZ4qB-7hH-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#240149
On 19/09/2021 13:36, Curt wrote:
> On 2021-09-18, piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> wrote:
>>
>> I already selected Colemak in KDE settings, and via sudo
>> dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration. But this does not affect boot
>> time password question and GRUB editor. Also virtual consoles still use
>> default Qwerty.
>>
>
> Maybe something instructive here (or not):
>
> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=246453
>
>
Thanks, unfortunately, this is Arch only, vconsole.conf doesn't even
exist in Debian.

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#240155

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2021-09-19 15:20 +0200
Message-ID<CZ4TD-7GT-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#240151
On 2021-09-19, piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> wrote:
> On 19/09/2021 13:36, Curt wrote:
>> On 2021-09-18, piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I already selected Colemak in KDE settings, and via sudo
>>> dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration. But this does not affect boot
>>> time password question and GRUB editor. Also virtual consoles still use
>>> default Qwerty.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe something instructive here (or not):
>>
>> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=246453
>>
>>
> Thanks, unfortunately, this is Arch only, vconsole.conf doesn't even
> exist in Debian.
>

Right, but I was alluding to the "solution" by rsolva further down (for
the console), which might be practicable in Debian (more or less). Or
maybe not. 

 ckbcomp -layout no -variant colemak > no-colemak.map gzip
 no-colemak.map sudo mv no-colemak.map.gz
 /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/colemak/

(For Norwegian colemak.)

I think you need 'console-data'.

> With kindest regards, Piotr.
>
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#240169

Frompiorunz <piorunz@gmx.com>
Date2021-09-19 21:00 +0200
Message-ID<CZacG-2iW-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#240155
On 19/09/2021 14:11, Curt wrote:

>> Thanks, unfortunately, this is Arch only, vconsole.conf doesn't even
>> exist in Debian.
>>
>
> Right, but I was alluding to the "solution" by rsolva further down (for
> the console), which might be practicable in Debian (more or less). Or
> maybe not.
>
>   ckbcomp -layout no -variant colemak > no-colemak.map gzip
>   no-colemak.map sudo mv no-colemak.map.gz
>   /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/colemak/
>
> (For Norwegian colemak.)
>
> I think you need 'console-data'.

Thanks. However,
/usr/share/kbd/ folder doesn't exist on my computer.
Installing console-data doesn't change that.


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#240176

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2021-09-19 22:10 +0200
Message-ID<CZbip-3aJ-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#240169
On Sun 19 Sep 2021 at 19:50:22 (+0100), piorunz wrote:
> On 19/09/2021 14:11, Curt wrote:
> 
> > > Thanks, unfortunately, this is Arch only, vconsole.conf doesn't even
> > > exist in Debian.
> > 
> > Right, but I was alluding to the "solution" by rsolva further down (for
> > the console), which might be practicable in Debian (more or less). Or
> > maybe not.
> > 
> >   ckbcomp -layout no -variant colemak > no-colemak.map gzip
> >   no-colemak.map sudo mv no-colemak.map.gz
> >   /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/colemak/
> > 
> > (For Norwegian colemak.)
> > 
> > I think you need 'console-data'.
> 
> Thanks. However,
> /usr/share/kbd/ folder doesn't exist on my computer.
> Installing console-data doesn't change that.

That looks like the way Debian used to handle the keyboard in
pre-squeeze days. For the last ten years, consoles have been
configured using the same files (ie under /usr/share/X11/xkb/)
as X uses.

Cheers,
David.

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#240178

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2021-09-19 22:20 +0200
Message-ID<CZbs5-3eF-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#240169
On 2021-09-19, piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> wrote:
>>
>> Right, but I was alluding to the "solution" by rsolva further down (for
>> the console), which might be practicable in Debian (more or less). Or
>> maybe not.
>>
>>   ckbcomp -layout no -variant colemak > no-colemak.map gzip
>>   no-colemak.map sudo mv no-colemak.map.gz
>>   /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/colemak/
>>
>> (For Norwegian colemak.)
>>
>> I think you need 'console-data'.
>
> Thanks. However,
> /usr/share/kbd/ folder doesn't exist on my computer.
> Installing console-data doesn't change that.

Right, but I assumed you'd already understood that though the above
"solution" might be practicable on Debian, it was written for Arch. The
console keymaps are stored in a different directory on Debian.
Installing console-data should provide you with that directory.

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