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  Your Thoughts on Printer Replacement Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-09-18 00:50 +0200
    Re: Your Thoughts on Printer Replacement Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-09-18 01:10 +0200
      Re: Your Thoughts on Printer Replacement jeremy ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-09-18 01:30 +0200
        Re: Your Thoughts on Printer Replacement "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2021-09-18 02:20 +0200
      Re: Your Thoughts on Printer Replacement deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-09-18 08:00 +0200
    Re: Your Thoughts on Printer Replacement mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2021-09-18 09:30 +0200
    Re: Your Thoughts on Printer Replacement Douglas McGarrett <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2021-09-22 21:40 +0200
    Re: Your Thoughts on Printer Replacement Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-10-04 23:50 +0200

#240085 — Your Thoughts on Printer Replacement

I have an HP Officejet Pro L7700, which is starting to show its age.
Also HP has discontinued the standard size cartridges. I can get the
large ones. I suspect I could buy a printer for what four large
cartridges would cost me.

Requirements:

* I print rarely, and I do use color. The carts on the L7700 tend to
  go bad before they empty, Inkjet or laser? Or other?

* Buster and Bullseye should both support any recommendations. I don't
  use Windows.

I've had good results with HP over the years, and they support Linux
well.

Reccomendations?

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#240087

Charles Curley wrote: 
> Requirements:
> 
> * I print rarely, and I do use color. The carts on the L7700 tend to
>   go bad before they empty, Inkjet or laser? Or other?
> 
> * Buster and Bullseye should both support any recommendations. I don't
>   use Windows.
> 
> I've had good results with HP over the years, and they support Linux
> well.
> 
> Reccomendations?

I have standard recommendations. In your case, I would ask: do
you need a printer?

If it's convenient for you to go to a local print shop, it will
be cheaper to use their high quality printers. It looks like
there are five places like that in town. (I looked at your web
page.)

If you print in black/white more often than you need color, you could
still use a local print shop or get things mailed to you for those
occasions - photos and posters, especially, but basically any document.

In that case, get a monochrome laser printer. I recommend a
Brother with all of the following features:

- BRScript/3 (their PostScript emulator)
- ethernet jack
- duplex

Prices start at about $100. 

Other people can direct you to reliable color laser printers.

-dsr-

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#240089

On 18/09/2021 7:05 am, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Charles Curley wrote:
>> Requirements:
>>
>> * I print rarely, and I do use color. The carts on the L7700 tend to
>>    go bad before they empty, Inkjet or laser? Or other?
>>
>> * Buster and Bullseye should both support any recommendations. I don't
>>    use Windows.
>>
>> I've had good results with HP over the years, and they support Linux
>> well.
>>
>> Reccomendations?
> I have standard recommendations. In your case, I would ask: do
> you need a printer?
>
> If it's convenient for you to go to a local print shop, it will
> be cheaper to use their high quality printers. It looks like
> there are five places like that in town. (I looked at your web
> page.)
>
> If you print in black/white more often than you need color, you could
> still use a local print shop or get things mailed to you for those
> occasions - photos and posters, especially, but basically any document.
>
> In that case, get a monochrome laser printer. I recommend a
> Brother with all of the following features:
>
> - BRScript/3 (their PostScript emulator)
> - ethernet jack
> - duplex
>
> Prices start at about $100.
>
> Other people can direct you to reliable color laser printers.
>
> -dsr-

I agree totally on using laser over inkjet. The cost per page and print 
speed are far superior for laser.

Worse is inkjet life. They inevitably clog or jam after only a few 
hundred pages.

I do find that labels and envelopes usually don't fare well in cheap 
lasers. That is the advantage inkjets have. I worked around this by 
buying a cheap thermal label printer on aliexpress and wrote a linux 
driver for it. My cost per small label is 0.5c and large 2c. My toner 
cost per laser page is around 0.5c so maybe 1c per page for life of 
printer (fuji-xerox)

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#240090

Personally, I wouldn't accept an inkjet as a gift. You use them like 
crazy, and you go through absurdly overpriced cartridges like crazy. You 
*don't* use them like crazy, and those absurdly overpriced cartridges 
clog, and you still go through them like crazy. And the pages come out 
soggy, and are even more vulnerable to water damage than what I write 
with my fountain pens. As far as I'm concerned, the only thing they're 
good for is edible printing, and for what little of that I do (typically 
one page every few months), it's far cheaper to email an image to the 
local cake supply, and have them do it.

(The first rule of edible printing is you don't run anything but edible 
ink in that printer. The second rule of edible printing is you *DO NOT* 
run anything but edible ink in that printer. And you still don't talk 
about Fight Club.)

I have had three monochrome laser printers (an HP 4ML, followed by an HP 
2100M, which I then replaced with a rebuilt 2100M, which I still have. 
And I've had two color laser printers, a Samsung CLP-315, bought new and 
used until it wore out, followed by a rebuilt Samsung CLP-415, which I 
still have.

And I have an ALPS MicroDry, that I bought used, after they'd been 
discontinued.

Before the Samsungs, bought a Xerox color laser. It went back to Staples 
the day after it arrived: It was a lot bulkier in real life than it was 
in the pictures, it made the devil's own noise when it was running, and 
it claimed to be a PostScript machine, but curled up its toes and said 
"helllpppp meeeeeee" if I actually fed it a PostScript data stream. 
That's not to say that the Samsungs will do anything if fed PostScript, 
but at least they were relatively inexpensive, as well as being almost 
as compact and quiet as my 2100M.

What I've seen of HP lasers more recent than the 2000-series has not 
impressed me. That's a major reason why I went with a rebuilt 2100M, 
instead of something more recent. That and the fact that being able to 
accept and RIP a PostScript data stream, fed through a Centronics port, 
is a non-negotiable requirement for me: it's either that, or I have to 
dump the data stream to a file, distill it into a PDF, and print that.

--
James H. H. Lampert
Professional Dilettante

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#240091

Dan Ritter wrote:

> If you print in black/white more often than you need color, you could
> still use a local print shop or get things mailed to you for those
> occasions - photos and posters, especially, but basically any document.
> 
> In that case, get a monochrome laser printer. I recommend a
> Brother with all of the following features:

I have always used HP laser and now I have 402dn (double side + network). It
cost around 200,- and works great (2y since I have it)
Before this I used HP laser 5L which I used over 15y.

I also go to the local copy shop for printing in color (once every 3-4y).

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#240093

On 2021-09-17 23:41, Charles Curley wrote:
> I have an HP Officejet Pro L7700, which is starting to show its age.
> Also HP has discontinued the standard size cartridges. I can get the
> large ones. I suspect I could buy a printer for what four large
> cartridges would cost me.
> 
> Requirements:
> 
> * I print rarely, and I do use color. The carts on the L7700 tend to
>   go bad before they empty, Inkjet or laser? Or other?
> 
> * Buster and Bullseye should both support any recommendations. I don't
>   use Windows.
> 
> I've had good results with HP over the years, and they support Linux
> well.
> 
> Reccomendations?

I use elderly HP LaserJet with a PC doing Cups server which is easy 
enough once you find out the name of the print queue.
Did have a Xerox Phaser for colour which worked very well until it had 
an accident to do with gravity.
mick
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#240274

On 9/17/21 6:41 PM, Charles Curley wrote:
> I have an HP Officejet Pro L7700, which is starting to show its age.
> Also HP has discontinued the standard size cartridges. I can get the
> large ones. I suspect I could buy a printer for what four large
> cartridges would cost me.
>
> Requirements:
>
> * I print rarely, and I do use color. The carts on the L7700 tend to
>    go bad before they empty, Inkjet or laser? Or other?
>
> * Buster and Bullseye should both support any recommendations. I don't
>    use Windows.
>
> I've had good results with HP over the years, and they support Linux
> well.
>
> Reccomendations?
>
Obviously ink will get thick or dry completely if you don't use it up in a
reasonable time (which is what???) so laserjet is the way to go. I don't
think that the powder ever goes bad.
--doug

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#240886

On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 16:41:45 -0600
Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> wrote:

> I have an HP Officejet Pro L7700, which is starting to show its age.
> Also HP has discontinued the standard size cartridges. I can get the
> large ones. I suspect I could buy a printer for what four large
> cartridges would cost me.

Well, that last sentence turned out to be close. While in the Big
City I went by the local Staples, and bought an HP LaserJet MFP
M232-M237 - IPP Everywhere printer/scanner for under $250.

It took a bit of finagling to get me started, but that turned out to be
a problem with my isc-dhcpd DHCP server. Also, setting the thing up
requires HP's HP Smart app. I happen to have an iPhone, so I could use
it. A pure Linux shop would be SOL.

It also took about 38 minutes on the phone with HP's support line. Sigh.

Once I had the printer talking to the phone, things moved quickly.

The only thing this printer doesn't have is color printing. Apparently
color printers are rare right now. But I have a local print shop to whom
I can email PDFs, and that works nicely. And the price delta will more
than pay for the print shop.

I did have one software issue. Debian 10 (Buster) has HPLIP
3.18.12+dfsg0-2, which does not appear to support the beast. However,
Debian 11 (Bullseye) xsane (3.21.2+dfsg1-2) found it across the network
with no quibbles, and I was able to scan immediately with no setup.
Very nice.

Thank you for all the advice.


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