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| Started by | "Dawn Dorsett" <dorsettde@hushmail.com> |
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| First post | 2021-09-17 22:30 +0200 |
| Last post | 2021-09-18 11:10 +0200 |
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Debian bullseye "Dawn Dorsett" <dorsettde@hushmail.com> - 2021-09-17 22:30 +0200
Re: Debian bullseye piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-17 22:30 +0200
Re: Debian bullseye IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com> - 2021-09-17 22:40 +0200
Re: Debian bullseye piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-17 22:40 +0200
Re: Debian bullseye Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-09-17 22:40 +0200
Re: Debian bullseye Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-09-17 23:10 +0200
Re: Debian bullseye Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-09-17 23:20 +0200
Re: Debian bullseye Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-09-18 00:10 +0200
Re: Debian bullseye deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-09-18 08:00 +0200
Re: Debian bullseye "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-09-18 11:10 +0200
| From | "Dawn Dorsett" <dorsettde@hushmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-17 22:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Debian bullseye |
| Message-ID | <CYsEF-QZ-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
I have been using Debian for several years and have just upgraded to Bullseye and I wish I hadn't. It has some bug fixes in it (which were more like minor inconveniences anyway), but Bullseye is SLOW. Its getting to be as bad as Windows and takes forever to start up. Libreoffice is particularly slow, and some days I see a delay between hitting the keyboard and the results appearing on the screen. None of this was a problem with earlier releases. So right now I'm pretty pissed off with Debian. Regards, _Dawn Dorsett_.
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| From | piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-17 22:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CYsEF-QZ-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #240074 |
On 17/09/2021 20:54, Dawn Dorsett wrote: > I have been using Debian for several years and have just upgraded to Bullseye and I wish I hadn't. It has some bug fixes in it (which were more like minor inconveniences anyway), but Bullseye is SLOW. Its getting to be as bad as Windows and takes forever to start up. Libreoffice is particularly slow, and some days I see a delay between hitting the keyboard and the results appearing on the screen. None of this was a problem with earlier releases. So right now I'm pretty pissed off with Debian. > > Regards, > _Dawn Dorsett_. > Okay. You shared your useless opinion. Bullseye is not slow, I disagree. Now, as you didn't asked any questions, go away. -- With kindest regards, Piotr. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀
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| From | IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-17 22:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CYsOl-Ud-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #240074 |
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> > > I have been using Debian for several years and have just upgraded to > Bullseye and I wish I hadn't. It has some bug fixes in it (which were more > like minor inconveniences anyway), but Bullseye is SLOW. Its getting to be > as bad as Windows and takes forever to start up. This may help: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-analyze.html > Libreoffice is particularly slow, and some days I see a delay between > hitting the keyboard and the results appearing on the screen. None of this > was a problem with earlier releases. So right now I'm pretty pissed off > with Debian > vmstat(8) and top(8) may be used to track that. Pay attention on Cpu% "sy" in top, it shouldn't be high. New kernel -- new drivers. You may have hardware compatibility problems (or interrupt storm). Also, check your drive health with smartmontools (bad drive may cause bad performance): https://packages.debian.org/buster/smartmontools You can also measure its performance with fio https://packages.debian.org/buster/fio
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| From | piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-17 22:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CYsOm-Ud-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #240076 |
On 17/09/2021 21:30, IL Ka wrote: > > I have been using Debian for several years and have just upgraded to > Bullseye and I wish I hadn't. It has some bug fixes in it (which > were more like minor inconveniences anyway), but Bullseye is SLOW. > Its getting to be as bad as Windows and takes forever to start up. > > This may help: You presumed he asked how to fix this. HE DIDN'T. Don't bother. -- With kindest regards, Piotr. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀
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| From | Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> |
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| Date | 2021-09-17 22:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CYsOm-Ud-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #240074 |
On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 07:54:50AM +1200, Dawn Dorsett wrote: > I have been using Debian for several years and have just upgraded to Bullseye > and I wish I hadn't. It has some bug fixes in it (which were more like minor > inconveniences anyway), but Bullseye is SLOW. Its getting to be as bad as > Windows and takes forever to start up. Libreoffice is particularly slow, and > some days I see a delay between hitting the keyboard and the results > appearing on the screen. None of this was a problem with earlier releases. This sounds very much like missing support for your video hardware (either firmware or drivers or both). If you'd like to fix the problem, instead of simply declaring Debian to be "slow", you could start investigating. Identify your video chipset (using lspci -nn). See whether any video firmware is desired but missing (dmesg | grep -i firmware). Try googling your video device with keywords like "debian" or "linux" and see what steps other users have tried to overcome the same problem with the same device -- it's highly likely that you are not the first person to have the problem, after all.
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| From | Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-17 23:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CYthn-1jC-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #240074 |
On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 07:54:50 +1200 "Dawn Dorsett" <dorsettde@hushmail.com> wrote: > I have been using Debian for several years and have just upgraded to > Bullseye and I wish I hadn't. It has some bug fixes in it (which > were more like minor inconveniences anyway), but Bullseye is SLOW. I am seeing similar. I have two Lenovo T-61s, ans several FIT-PCs (i686, 220Mi physical memory, no GUI). All are noticeably slower. When I get a chance, I'll follow IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com>'s suggestions; thank you. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
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| From | Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> |
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| Date | 2021-09-17 23:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CYtr3-1n1-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #240080 |
On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 02:36:44PM -0600, Charles Curley wrote: > I am seeing similar. I have two Lenovo T-61s, ans several FIT-PCs > (i686, 220Mi physical memory, no GUI). All are noticeably slower. This is an astonishingly low amount of memory by today's standards. <https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/i386/ch02s05.en.html> says: You must have at least 485MB of memory and 920MB of hard disk space to perform a normal installation. Note that these are fairly minimal numbers. For more realistic figures, see Section 3.4, “Meeting Minimum Hardware Requirements”. You have *half* the minimum required amount of memory to perform an installation, according to the official documentation. (Which isn't to say that installation is necessarily impossible; people do difficult things all the time.) Also, you said "slower", which implies that you previously ran some other version of Debian (or Linux) on this same machine. If this was an upgrade, then you're skipping the relatively high memory requirements of the installer. <https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/i386/ch03s04.en.html> says: Install Type RAM (minimum) RAM (recommended) Hard Drive No desktop 256 megabytes 512 megabytes 2 gigabytes With Desktop 1 gigabytes 2 gigabytes 10 gigabytes So you're also below the minimum memory requirement for a no-desktop system (220 MB vs. 256 MB), but it's not by a *lot*. So you're probably just scraping by. This hardware is past its end of life, I would say. Anything you get it to do at all is just a bonus.
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| From | Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-18 00:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CYudr-1SG-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #240081 |
On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 17:10:49 -0400 Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> wrote: > This is an astonishingly low amount of memory by today's standards. > > <https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/i386/ch02s05.en.html> says: I am very much aware of this, thank you. > This hardware is past its end of life, I would say. > Anything you get it to do at all is just a bonus. Yeah. I will expect your expert advice when the time comes to replace these boxen. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
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| From | deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> |
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| Date | 2021-09-18 08:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CYByi-6au-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #240081 |
Greg Wooledge wrote: > So you're also below the minimum memory requirement for a no-desktop > system (220 MB vs. 256 MB), but it's not by a *lot*. So you're probably > just scraping by. This hardware is past its end of life, I would say. > Anything you get it to do at all is just a bonus. But one could tweak this and that and fit to the system size. The firewall here has minimal installation and 256MB memory + 4GB compact flash card of which 770MB are used (openvpn and shorewall) OP could afford a RPi4 for approx 50,- and be better off at the end -- FCD6 3719 0FFB F1BF 38EA 4727 5348 5F1F DCFE BCB0
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| From | "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> |
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| Date | 2021-09-18 11:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CYEwb-8iG-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #240074 |
On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 07:54:50AM +1200, Dawn Dorsett wrote: > I have been using Debian for several years and have just upgraded to > Bullseye and I wish I hadn't. It has some bug fixes in it (which were > more like minor inconveniences anyway), but Bullseye is SLOW. Its getting > to be as bad as Windows and takes forever to start up. Libreoffice is > particularly slow, and some days I see a delay between hitting the keyboard > and the results appearing on the screen. None of this was a problem with > earlier releases. So right now I'm pretty pissed off with Debian. > > Regards, > _Dawn Dorsett_. > Hi Dawn, As others in the thread have said: what are the hardware/memory constraints on your machine? What's the video card / graphic chipset? What earlier release were you moving from? What window manager / desktop environment are you running now? All of these may be factors: some software is becoming very memory intensive - looking at you, here, Firefox and Chromium - and the difference is sometimes noticeable. Any and all information you could give might be helpful. Often just writing it down is enough to remember "everything was so different before I changed some one thing" :) All the very best, as ever, Andy Cater
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