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  support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Sriram <vsram01@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-14 08:10 +0200
    Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-09-14 08:50 +0200
      Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Sriram <vsram01@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-14 11:50 +0200
        Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-09-14 12:30 +0200
        Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Sriram <vsram01@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-14 12:40 +0200
          Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Sriram <vsram01@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-16 07:30 +0200
            Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 09:50 +0200
              Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-09-16 11:50 +0200
              Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-16 15:10 +0200
                Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-09-17 00:50 +0200
                  Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-17 01:20 +0200
        Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-14 16:10 +0200
          Re: was: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-09-14 17:50 +0200
            mdadm RAID and the Bullseye installer Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-09-14 19:00 +0200
              Re: mdadm RAID and the Bullseye installer Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-09-14 19:30 +0200
            Re: was: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-09-14 19:20 +0200
              Re: was: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-09-14 19:50 +0200
                Re: was: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-09-15 09:20 +0200
        Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-09-14 16:40 +0200
    Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-09-14 09:10 +0200
    Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-09-14 13:30 +0200
      Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-09-14 16:00 +0200
        Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-14 20:00 +0200
          Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-09-15 09:30 +0200
            Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-15 16:00 +0200
              Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 06:10 +0200
    Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-09-14 13:40 +0200
      Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-09-14 14:00 +0200
        Re: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-09-14 15:30 +0200

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#239955 — support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso

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Hi Team
Please include support for xfce in the minimal bullseye netinst iso file.
The existing file dose not include xfce and it is a pain to use the xfce without GUI

Earlier editions like buster included xfce in the minimal install file.

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#239960

Hi,

Sriram wrote:
> Earlier editions like buster included xfce in the minimal install file.

Are sure that you did not use the DVD-1 images with these earlier Debian
versions ?

  https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-dvd/debian-11.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.list.gz
lists various XFCE related packages.
This list describes the ISO image at
  https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-11.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso


The netinst ISOs are too small to hold the packages of a desktop
environment. Looking into debian-10.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso ,
debian-9.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso, and debian-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso i do not
see any package files with "xfce" in the name.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#239964

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 Hi Thomas
Thanks for your reply
Sorry it was not a minimal buster iso with xfce but i got this file
debian-10.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso which is around 640 MB

I was able to install and get the system up and running last year , later i updated to Bullseye but going for a kernel update lost my OS few days before
I then downloded the minimal bullseye iso , but without xfce it is a big problem, also having issues with broadcom wifi driver and there is no wired connectivity.to my system.
I am not able to download the bullseye iso file which you mentioned since it is around 3.7 GB which is too large.
Can you suggest some links for downloading the bullseye along with xfce which comes to less than 1 GB or preferably somewhere around 500-800 MB, or suggest ways to install the xfce offline  , there is no deb file for such GUI's
    On Tuesday, 14 September, 2021, 12:12:43 pm IST, Thomas Schmitt <scdbackup@gmx.net> wrote:  
 
 Hi,

Sriram wrote:
> Earlier editions like buster included xfce in the minimal install file.

Are sure that you did not use the DVD-1 images with these earlier Debian
versions ?

  https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-dvd/debian-11.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.list.gz
lists various XFCE related packages.
This list describes the ISO image at
  https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-11.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso


The netinst ISOs are too small to hold the packages of a desktop
environment. Looking into debian-10.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso ,
debian-9.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso, and debian-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso i do not
see any package files with "xfce" in the name.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

  

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#239965

Hi,

Sriram wrote:
> it was not a minimal buster iso with xfce but i got this file
> debian-10.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso which is around 640 MB

The CD sized images seem to have been discontinued.
I would have expected to find some at least here:
  https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-cd/

The demise seems to have history.
A lonely xfce-CD-1 existed with Debian 10 and 9
  https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/10.0.0/amd64/jigdo-cd/
  https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/9.0.0/amd64/jigdo-cd/
A set of 84 CD sized images existed in Debian 8
  https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/8.0.0/amd64/jigdo-cd/
(And i thought the ~ 50 floppies were an insane stack, back in the 1990s
when i witnessed my first Linux installation on a 80386.)


> Can you suggest some links for downloading the bullseye along with xfce
> which comes to less than 1 GB or preferably somewhere around 500-800 MB,

I guess the size requirements of modern XFCE killed the 650 MB image.
You could ask at debian-cd mailing list whether xfce-CD-1 could be revived
as 700 MiB or 800 MiB image for one of the two contemporary CD sizes.
(They really take 702 * 1024 * 1024 or 800 * 1024 * 1024 bytes.)
A more modern request would be for an image for a "1 GB" stick (let's say
950 MiB, to include all hardware cheaters).

  debian-cd@lists.debian.org
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/


> or suggest ways to install the xfce offline  , there is no deb file for such
> GUI's

If you already have a working GNU/Linux system and are very adventurous,
then you could try to add the necessary .deb files to the netinst ISO
and learn the (hopefully few) shell commands to install them from the
booted netinst system.

Identifying the necessary .deb files will not be easy. But i think they
have to be listed in
  https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-dvd/debian-11.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.list.gz
Getting them is a matter of indvidual dowload from a Debian mirror. Like:
  http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xfce4-taskmanager/
Putting them into the ISO is possible by xorriso multi-session, similar to
the proposal in
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg01170.html
You would not suffer the hardships of kernel and ramdisk manipulation but
would have to take care to place each .deb into its proper ISO directory
under
  /pool/main/
It has to be the same as on the Debian mirror server from which you get
them. The final commands to install XFCE will then probably be the easiest
part.

I offer my support as far as adding a prepared tree of pool/main to the
existing netinst ISO is concerned.
Help with everything else would have to be given by others.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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#239966

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 what i am asking is similar to the one below 
https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/pe93oc/new_debian_10_user_wanting_to_update_to_11_fresh/

It seems the bullseye iso's in CD section are all netinst, thats why this confusion
Thanks    On Tuesday, 14 September, 2021, 02:57:25 pm IST, Sriram <vsram01@yahoo.com> wrote:  
 
  Hi Thomas
Thanks for your reply
Sorry it was not a minimal buster iso with xfce but i got this file
debian-10.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso which is around 640 MB

I was able to install and get the system up and running last year , later i updated to Bullseye but going for a kernel update lost my OS few days before
I then downloded the minimal bullseye iso , but without xfce it is a big problem, also having issues with broadcom wifi driver and there is no wired connectivity.to my system.
I am not able to download the bullseye iso file which you mentioned since it is around 3.7 GB which is too large.
Can you suggest some links for downloading the bullseye along with xfce which comes to less than 1 GB or preferably somewhere around 500-800 MB, or suggest ways to install the xfce offline  , there is no deb file for such GUI's
    On Tuesday, 14 September, 2021, 12:12:43 pm IST, Thomas Schmitt <scdbackup@gmx.net> wrote:  
 
 Hi,

Sriram wrote:
> Earlier editions like buster included xfce in the minimal install file.

Are sure that you did not use the DVD-1 images with these earlier Debian
versions ?

  https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-dvd/debian-11.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.list.gz
lists various XFCE related packages.
This list describes the ISO image at
  https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-11.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso


The netinst ISOs are too small to hold the packages of a desktop
environment. Looking into debian-10.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso ,
debian-9.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso, and debian-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso i do not
see any package files with "xfce" in the name.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

    

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 Hi Team
i have tried to install the minimal iso file yesterday , but Network Manager is not installing, also build-essentials not there for building the xfce tar files
i tried to install the Network manager deb file but it required so many dependencies, i managed to install except one deb filecalled glib , not sure which package it contains
can some one help as to what are the required dependent deb files for Network Manager as well as build-essentials 


    On Tuesday, 14 September, 2021, 03:45:14 pm IST, Sriram <vsram01@yahoo.com> wrote:  
 
  what i am asking is similar to the one below 
https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/pe93oc/new_debian_10_user_wanting_to_update_to_11_fresh/

It seems the bullseye iso's in CD section are all netinst, thats why this confusion
Thanks    On Tuesday, 14 September, 2021, 02:57:25 pm IST, Sriram <vsram01@yahoo.com> wrote:  
 
  Hi Thomas
Thanks for your reply
Sorry it was not a minimal buster iso with xfce but i got this file
debian-10.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso which is around 640 MB

I was able to install and get the system up and running last year , later i updated to Bullseye but going for a kernel update lost my OS few days before
I then downloded the minimal bullseye iso , but without xfce it is a big problem, also having issues with broadcom wifi driver and there is no wired connectivity.to my system.
I am not able to download the bullseye iso file which you mentioned since it is around 3.7 GB which is too large.
Can you suggest some links for downloading the bullseye along with xfce which comes to less than 1 GB or preferably somewhere around 500-800 MB, or suggest ways to install the xfce offline  , there is no deb file for such GUI's
    On Tuesday, 14 September, 2021, 12:12:43 pm IST, Thomas Schmitt <scdbackup@gmx.net> wrote:  
 
 Hi,

Sriram wrote:
> Earlier editions like buster included xfce in the minimal install file.

Are sure that you did not use the DVD-1 images with these earlier Debian
versions ?

  https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-dvd/debian-11.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.list.gz
lists various XFCE related packages.
This list describes the ISO image at
  https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-11.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso


The netinst ISOs are too small to hold the packages of a desktop
environment. Looking into debian-10.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso ,
debian-9.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso, and debian-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso i do not
see any package files with "xfce" in the name.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

      

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#240041

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On Jo, 16 sep 21, 05:06:02, Sriram wrote:
>  Hi Team
> i have tried to install the minimal iso file yesterday , but Network Manager is not installing, also build-essentials not there for building the xfce tar files
> i tried to install the Network manager deb file but it required so many dependencies, i managed to install except one deb filecalled glib , not sure which package it contains
> can some one help as to what are the required dependent deb files for Network Manager as well as build-essentials 

How exactly are you trying to install them?

With a properly configured Debian connected to the internet all you need 
is (as root):

    apt update
    apt install network-manager-gnome build-essentials


If you get any errors for this please copy-paste the full output as well 
as the output of `apt policy`.


Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#240045

On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 10:48:02AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 16 sep 21, 05:06:02, Sriram wrote:
> >  Hi Team
> > i have tried to install the minimal iso file yesterday , but Network Manager is not installing, also build-essentials not there for building the xfce tar files
> > i tried to install the Network manager deb file but it required so many dependencies, i managed to install except one deb filecalled glib , not sure which package it contains
> > can some one help as to what are the required dependent deb files for Network Manager as well as build-essentials 
> 
> How exactly are you trying to install them?
> 
> With a properly configured Debian connected to the internet all you need 
> is (as root):
> 
>     apt update
>     apt install network-manager-gnome build-essentials
> 
> 
> If you get any errors for this please copy-paste the full output as well 
> as the output of `apt policy`.
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> Andrei
> -- 
> http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

If you're stuck and have no GUI - you could try typing nmtui to get the 
text mode network manager configuration.  [I routinely use this on machines
that are running with no desktop enviornment and only command line access].

If you can't connect to the internet to download packages, that's another
problem which is when you discover you REALLY NEED the tool.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater
Andy Cater.

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#240054

On Thu 16 Sep 2021 at 10:48:02 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Jo, 16 sep 21, 05:06:02, Sriram wrote:
> >  Hi Team
> > i have tried to install the minimal iso file yesterday , but Network
> > Manager is not installing, also build-essentials not there for
> > building the xfce tar files
> > i tried to install the Network manager deb file but it required so
> > many dependencies, i managed to install except one deb filecalled
> > glib , not sure which package it contains
> > can some one help as to what are the required dependent deb files
> > for Network Manager as well as build-essentials 
> 
> How exactly are you trying to install them?
> 
> With a properly configured Debian connected to the internet all you need 
> is (as root):
> 
>     apt update
>     apt install network-manager-gnome build-essentials
> 
> 
> If you get any errors for this please copy-paste the full output as well 
> as the output of `apt policy`.

build-essential, I think (no "s").

Why Sriram needs to build any xfce packages is beyond me.

As for network-manager - what has been installed from the netinst ISO
and after first boot is unknown.

-- 
Brian.

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#240056

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On Jo, 16 sep 21, 14:04:05, Brian wrote:
> On Thu 16 Sep 2021 at 10:48:02 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> 
> > On Jo, 16 sep 21, 05:06:02, Sriram wrote:
> > >  Hi Team
> > > i have tried to install the minimal iso file yesterday , but Network
> > > Manager is not installing, also build-essentials not there for
> > > building the xfce tar files
> > > i tried to install the Network manager deb file but it required so
> > > many dependencies, i managed to install except one deb filecalled
> > > glib , not sure which package it contains
> > > can some one help as to what are the required dependent deb files
> > > for Network Manager as well as build-essentials 
> > 
> > How exactly are you trying to install them?
> > 
> > With a properly configured Debian connected to the internet all you need 
> > is (as root):
> > 
> >     apt update
> >     apt install network-manager-gnome build-essentials
> > 
> > 
> > If you get any errors for this please copy-paste the full output as well 
> > as the output of `apt policy`.
> 
> build-essential, I think (no "s").

Yes, your're right, and apt's error message is hopefully informative 
enough:

$ LANG=C.UTF-8 sudo apt install build-essentials
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package build-essentials

 
> Why Sriram needs to build any xfce packages is beyond me.

This looks very much like an XY problem (sigh).

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#240059

On Fri 17 Sep 2021 at 01:42:46 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Jo, 16 sep 21, 14:04:05, Brian wrote:
> > On Thu 16 Sep 2021 at 10:48:02 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > 
> > > On Jo, 16 sep 21, 05:06:02, Sriram wrote:
> > > >  Hi Team
> > > > i have tried to install the minimal iso file yesterday , but Network
> > > > Manager is not installing, also build-essentials not there for
> > > > building the xfce tar files
> > > > i tried to install the Network manager deb file but it required so
> > > > many dependencies, i managed to install except one deb filecalled
> > > > glib , not sure which package it contains
> > > > can some one help as to what are the required dependent deb files
> > > > for Network Manager as well as build-essentials 
> > > 
> > > How exactly are you trying to install them?
> > > 
> > > With a properly configured Debian connected to the internet all you need 
> > > is (as root):
> > > 
> > >     apt update
> > >     apt install network-manager-gnome build-essentials
> > > 
> > > 
> > > If you get any errors for this please copy-paste the full output as well 
> > > as the output of `apt policy`.
> > 
> > build-essential, I think (no "s").
> 
> Yes, your're right, and apt's error message is hopefully informative 
> enough:

As I found out when I tried your 'apt install...' command.
 
> $ LANG=C.UTF-8 sudo apt install build-essentials
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree       
> Reading state information... Done
> E: Unable to locate package build-essentials
> 
>  
> > Why Sriram needs to build any xfce packages is beyond me.
> 
> This looks very much like an XY problem (sigh).

Sriram wants an Xfce desktop. Dead easy. He installs it using a netinst
ISO or after first boot.

-- 
Brian.

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#239973

On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 09:27:25 +0000, Sriram wrote:

> [...] Can you suggest some links for downloading the bullseye along
> with xfce which comes to less than 1 GB or preferably somewhere around
> 500-800 MB, or suggest ways to install the xfce offline  , there is no
> deb file for such GUI's.

An xfce installation will pull in about 600 M of packages no matter what
you choose to do. Does this give some perspective?

What I would consider is:

1. Skip installation of a desktop in d-i and finish the remainder of the
   process.

2. Reboot, log in and create /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01keep-debs.

3. Edit this file to have

     Binary::apt::APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages "true";

   Packages should remain in /var/cache/apt/archives/ for you to reuse.
   No futher downloading of xfce packages is now needed. You have your
   own personal "ISO" at no extra cost to disk space or bandwidth.

4. And finally do

     apt install task-xfce-desktop

-- 
Brian.

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#239976 — Re: was: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso

On Tuesday 14 September 2021 10:08:34 Brian wrote:

> On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 09:27:25 +0000, Sriram wrote:
> > [...] Can you suggest some links for downloading the bullseye along
> > with xfce which comes to less than 1 GB or preferably somewhere
> > around 500-800 MB, or suggest ways to install the xfce offline  ,
> > there is no deb file for such GUI's.
>
> An xfce installation will pull in about 600 M of packages no matter
> what you choose to do. Does this give some perspective?
>
> What I would consider is:
>
> 1. Skip installation of a desktop in d-i and finish the remainder of
> the process.
>
> 2. Reboot, log in and create /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01keep-debs.
>
> 3. Edit this file to have
>
>      Binary::apt::APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages "true";
>
>    Packages should remain in /var/cache/apt/archives/ for you to
> reuse. No futher downloading of xfce packages is now needed. You have
> your own personal "ISO" at no extra cost to disk space or bandwidth.
>
> 4. And finally do
>
>      apt install task-xfce-desktop

This is interesting and I will likely do it when I install the 
debian-11.1-net-install I just burnt.

But, I have installed 4, 1 terabyte samsung SSD's on a separate non-raid 
controller card which I intend to use as a software raid-6 or 10 after 
moving the current boot disk with stretch on it to be /dev/sdd, or even 
leaving it disconnected until 11.1 is installed. It has precious data on 
its platters. 

Those samsungs have not been configured for anything yet. They are seen 
ok but individually in dmesg. Looked at by gparted, but nothing written.

So, can the installer handle the configuration of those into a bootable 
format all by itself?

If not, what do I install and do to ready them before moving /dea/sda out 
of harms way and booting the 11.1 net-install iso? I can if needed, 
install a 60 or bigger Gig SSD as the /boot partition on the motherboard 
controller as /dev/sda if the software raid can't be booted from.

So how do I best proceed?

Thank you.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#239978 — mdadm RAID and the Bullseye installer

Gene Heskett wrote: 
> This is interesting and I will likely do it when I install the 
> debian-11.1-net-install I just burnt.
> 
> But, I have installed 4, 1 terabyte samsung SSD's on a separate non-raid 
> controller card which I intend to use as a software raid-6 or 10 after 
> moving the current boot disk with stretch on it to be /dev/sdd, or even 
> leaving it disconnected until 11.1 is installed. It has precious data on 
> its platters. 
> 
> Those samsungs have not been configured for anything yet. They are seen 
> ok but individually in dmesg. Looked at by gparted, but nothing written.
> 
> So, can the installer handle the configuration of those into a bootable 
> format all by itself?

Yes. The installer can assemble them into an mdadm-style RAID 10
and GRUB can boot from that.

-dsr-

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#239980 — Re: mdadm RAID and the Bullseye installer

On Tuesday 14 September 2021 12:55:41 Dan Ritter wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > This is interesting and I will likely do it when I install the
> > debian-11.1-net-install I just burnt.
> >
> > But, I have installed 4, 1 terabyte samsung SSD's on a separate
> > non-raid controller card which I intend to use as a software raid-6
> > or 10 after moving the current boot disk with stretch on it to be
> > /dev/sdd, or even leaving it disconnected until 11.1 is installed.
> > It has precious data on its platters.
> >
> > Those samsungs have not been configured for anything yet. They are
> > seen ok but individually in dmesg. Looked at by gparted, but nothing
> > written.
> >
> > So, can the installer handle the configuration of those into a
> > bootable format all by itself?
>
> Yes. The installer can assemble them into an mdadm-style RAID 10
> and GRUB can boot from that.
>
> -dsr-

Thank you Dan.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#239979 — Re: was: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 11:49:02AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 September 2021 10:08:34 Brian wrote:
> 
> > On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 09:27:25 +0000, Sriram wrote:
> > > [...] Can you suggest some links for downloading the bullseye along
> > > with xfce which comes to less than 1 GB or preferably somewhere
> > > around 500-800 MB, or suggest ways to install the xfce offline  ,
> > > there is no deb file for such GUI's.
> >
> > An xfce installation will pull in about 600 M of packages no matter
> > what you choose to do. Does this give some perspective?
> >
> > What I would consider is:
> >
> > 1. Skip installation of a desktop in d-i and finish the remainder of
> > the process.
> >
> > 2. Reboot, log in and create /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01keep-debs.
> >
> > 3. Edit this file to have
> >
> >      Binary::apt::APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages "true";
> >
> >    Packages should remain in /var/cache/apt/archives/ for you to
> > reuse. No futher downloading of xfce packages is now needed. You have
> > your own personal "ISO" at no extra cost to disk space or bandwidth.
> >
> > 4. And finally do
> >
> >      apt install task-xfce-desktop
> 
> This is interesting and I will likely do it when I install the 
> debian-11.1-net-install I just burnt.
> 
> But, I have installed 4, 1 terabyte samsung SSD's on a separate non-raid 
> controller card which I intend to use as a software raid-6 or 10 after 
> moving the current boot disk with stretch on it to be /dev/sdd, or even 
> leaving it disconnected until 11.1 is installed. It has precious data on 
> its platters. 
> 
> Those samsungs have not been configured for anything yet. They are seen 
> ok but individually in dmesg. Looked at by gparted, but nothing written.
> 
> So, can the installer handle the configuration of those into a bootable 
> format all by itself?
> 
> If not, what do I install and do to ready them before moving /dea/sda out 
> of harms way and booting the 11.1 net-install iso? I can if needed, 
> install a 60 or bigger Gig SSD as the /boot partition on the motherboard 
> controller as /dev/sda if the software raid can't be booted from.
> 
As ever, it depends. Are you booting using UEFI?

If so, then you'll need to allow the partitioner to configure an ESP 
EFI system partition] which will allow the machine to store files for 
booting. The rest can be set up using guided partitioning and mdadm.
If you're using Legacy/DOS booting - all bets are off.

I'd be tempted to completely disconnect your stretch drive to do this
and then reconnect it just to copy dot files and ssh configs. Essentially,
stretch is gone and the likelihood of being able to use configs directly 
is low - so keep it safe out of the way until you want to copy precious
data off it, at which point mount it under /mnt or /media temporarily.

If you have a spare 60G SSD, then you might want to use that as boot and
root filesystem anyway and let the partitioner create the RAID system
from four absolutely identically sized disks.

One thing to watch out for in guided partitioning is that swap space in a
dedicated partition is now only 1GB by default. If you've got a decent amount 
of memory, you may never hit swap anyway. I won't trespass on your patience 
further but will be happy to help if needed.

All best, as ever,

Andy Cater


> So how do I best proceed?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> -- 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>  - Louis D. Brandeis
> Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
> 

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#239981 — Re: was: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso

On Tuesday 14 September 2021 13:11:08 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 11:49:02AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 14 September 2021 10:08:34 Brian wrote:
> > > On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 09:27:25 +0000, Sriram wrote:
> > > > [...] Can you suggest some links for downloading the bullseye
> > > > along with xfce which comes to less than 1 GB or preferably
> > > > somewhere around 500-800 MB, or suggest ways to install the xfce
> > > > offline  , there is no deb file for such GUI's.
> > >
> > > An xfce installation will pull in about 600 M of packages no
> > > matter what you choose to do. Does this give some perspective?
> > >
> > > What I would consider is:
> > >
> > > 1. Skip installation of a desktop in d-i and finish the remainder
> > > of the process.
> > >
> > > 2. Reboot, log in and create /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01keep-debs.
> > >
> > > 3. Edit this file to have
> > >
> > >      Binary::apt::APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages "true";
> > >
> > >    Packages should remain in /var/cache/apt/archives/ for you to
> > > reuse. No futher downloading of xfce packages is now needed. You
> > > have your own personal "ISO" at no extra cost to disk space or
> > > bandwidth.
> > >
> > > 4. And finally do
> > >
> > >      apt install task-xfce-desktop
> >
> > This is interesting and I will likely do it when I install the
> > debian-11.1-net-install I just burnt.
> >
> > But, I have installed 4, 1 terabyte samsung SSD's on a separate
> > non-raid controller card which I intend to use as a software raid-6
> > or 10 after moving the current boot disk with stretch on it to be
> > /dev/sdd, or even leaving it disconnected until 11.1 is installed.
> > It has precious data on its platters.
> >
> > Those samsungs have not been configured for anything yet. They are
> > seen ok but individually in dmesg. Looked at by gparted, but nothing
> > written.
> >
> > So, can the installer handle the configuration of those into a
> > bootable format all by itself?
> >
> > If not, what do I install and do to ready them before moving
> > /dea/sda out of harms way and booting the 11.1 net-install iso? I
> > can if needed, install a 60 or bigger Gig SSD as the /boot partition
> > on the motherboard controller as /dev/sda if the software raid can't
> > be booted from.
>
> As ever, it depends. Are you booting using UEFI?
>
> If so, then you'll need to allow the partitioner to configure an ESP
> EFI system partition] which will allow the machine to store files for
> booting. The rest can be set up using guided partitioning and mdadm.
> If you're using Legacy/DOS booting - all bets are off.
>
> I'd be tempted to completely disconnect your stretch drive to do this
> and then reconnect it just to copy dot files and ssh configs.
> Essentially, stretch is gone and the likelihood of being able to use
> configs directly is low - so keep it safe out of the way until you
> want to copy precious data off it, at which point mount it under /mnt
> or /media temporarily.
>
> If you have a spare 60G SSD, then you might want to use that as boot
> and root filesystem anyway and let the partitioner create the RAID
> system from four absolutely identically sized disks.
>
> One thing to watch out for in guided partitioning is that swap space
> in a dedicated partition is now only 1GB by default. If you've got a
> decent amount of memory, you may never hit swap anyway.
I have 32G of dram, and 14G of swap now, but with a 17 day uptime, its 
under 2 megs in swap. I have huge buffers set in OpenSCAD.

> I won't 
> trespass on your patience further but will be happy to help if needed.

Good to know Andy IF I can get networking to survive the reboot. But my 
networking is host file based and usually goes away at reboot until 
properly configured again. So I kep a printed copy of all that stuff. 

There is not a functioning dhcp server here. Usually, proper routing is 
impossible until avahi and friends are lined up and have bloodied the 
wall behind them. Otherwise avahi insists on an non-functional 
169.xx,xx,xx address for route and gateway.

> All best, as ever,
>
> Andy Cater

Thanks Andy.

> > So how do I best proceed?
> >
> > Thank you.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#239997 — Re: was: support for xfce in bullseye minimal netinst iso

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On Ma, 14 sep 21, 13:43:20, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> Good to know Andy IF I can get networking to survive the reboot. But my 
> networking is host file based and usually goes away at reboot until 
> properly configured again. So I kep a printed copy of all that stuff. 
> 
> There is not a functioning dhcp server here. Usually, proper routing is 
> impossible until avahi and friends are lined up and have bloodied the 
> wall behind them. Otherwise avahi insists on an non-functional 
> 169.xx,xx,xx address for route and gateway.

That's just an urban myth, static IPs and host files work just fine if 
configured correctly.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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#239974

On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 09:27:25 (+0000), Sriram wrote:

> Sorry it was not a minimal buster iso with xfce but i got this file
> debian-10.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso which is around 640 MB
> 
> I was able to install and get the system up and running last year , later i updated to Bullseye but going for a kernel update lost my OS few days before
> I then downloded the minimal bullseye iso , but without xfce it is a big problem, also having issues with broadcom wifi driver and there is no wired connectivity.to my system.

Perhaps you should start a new thread, raising the problem with your wifi.
Have you downloaded any non-free firmware for it?

I'm not aware of their having been any CD ISOs with non-free firmware
on them, at least in recent years, but only netinst ISOs. The CD you
mention above certainly does not contain any, but only a tiny bit
of free firmware.

If you can solve your wifi woes, then downloading XFCE will be no problem.

Cheers,
David.

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#239963

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On Ma, 14 sep 21, 05:50:53, Sriram wrote:
> Hi Team
> Please include support for xfce in the minimal bullseye netinst iso file.
> The existing file dose not include xfce and it is a pain to use the xfce without GUI
> 
> Earlier editions like buster included xfce in the minimal install file.
 
As already explained by Thomas, the netinst image itself doesn't contain 
any Desktop Environment (and probably never did).

If you selected XFCE Desktop Environment during install and the 
graphical environment doesn't work the first thing to try is the image 
including firmware, as this is required by many modern graphic devices:

https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/

Otherwise please describe in detail what is (or not) happening after the 
install is completed.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

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