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  is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using  Thunderbird (78.13.0)? Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-09-10 23:50 +0200
    Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using  Thunderbird (78.13.0)? "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2021-09-11 00:20 +0200
      Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using  Thunderbird (78.13.0)? Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-09-11 03:00 +0200
        Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using  Thunderbird (78.13.0)? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-09-12 11:50 +0200
    Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using  Thunderbird (78.13.0)? Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-09-11 00:30 +0200
      Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using  Thunderbird (78.13.0)? jeremy ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-09-11 00:40 +0200
        Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using  Thunderbird (78.13.0)? Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-09-11 03:00 +0200
          Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using  Thunderbird (78.13.0)? Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-09-11 03:00 +0200
          Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using  Thunderbird (78.13.0)? Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-09-11 03:50 +0200
          Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using  Thunderbird (78.13.0)? Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-09-11 04:00 +0200
      Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using  Thunderbird (78.13.0)? Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2021-09-11 03:00 +0200
        OT: Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using  Thunderbird (78.13.0)? piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-11 03:50 +0200
          Re: OT: Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers  using Thunderbird (78.13.0)? Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-09-11 04:00 +0200
    Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using  Thunderbird (78.13.0)? Ralph Katz <ralph@ralphkatz.com> - 2021-09-12 05:10 +0200

#239856 — is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?

I've got a Yahoo mail account (among others) that I use for a particular 
purpose. However it's been a while since I've been able to send e-mail 
from it using Yahoo's smtp servers. Instead I've been sending e-mail via 
another smtp server so the "From" address doesn't match the login 
domain. Gmail apparently now considers that to be sufficient reason to 
bounce the e-mail so I've been trying to get Thunderbird to use the 
Yahoo server to send mail for this account.

So far I haven't been able to come up with any combination of settings, 
including removing the account and recreating it in Thunderbird, that 
allow the mail to go through.

The messages I get either complain about the password or tell me "An 
error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: Request 
failed; Mailbox unavailable. Please check the message and try again."

Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?

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#239858

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On 11.09.2021 02:39, Gary Dale wrote:
> I've got a Yahoo mail account (among others) that I use for a 
> particular purpose. However it's been a while since I've been able to 
> send e-mail from it using Yahoo's smtp servers. Instead I've been 
> sending e-mail via another smtp server so the "From" address doesn't 
> match the login domain. Gmail apparently now considers that to be 
> sufficient reason to bounce the e-mail so I've been trying to get 
> Thunderbird to use the Yahoo server to send mail for this account.
>
> So far I haven't been able to come up with any combination of 
> settings, including removing the account and recreating it in 
> Thunderbird, that allow the mail to go through.
>
> The messages I get either complain about the password or tell me "An 
> error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: Request 
> failed; Mailbox unavailable. Please check the message and try again."
>
> Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?
>
>
Pretty sure, it's the issue with Yahoo¹ ², nothing to do with Thunderbird.
Yahoo is following the same path as GMail, forcing their users to use 
web browsers as mail clients.
In case of GMail you have to use same generated "app-password" for both 
IMAP and SMTP services.
I guess the same principle will be for Yahoo.


[1] 
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/account/temporary-access-insecure-sln27791.html
[2] 
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/account/generate-manage-third-party-passwords-sln15241.html

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#239869

On 2021-09-10 18:11, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:
> On 11.09.2021 02:39, Gary Dale wrote:
>> I've got a Yahoo mail account (among others) that I use for a 
>> particular purpose. However it's been a while since I've been able to 
>> send e-mail from it using Yahoo's smtp servers. Instead I've been 
>> sending e-mail via another smtp server so the "From" address doesn't 
>> match the login domain. Gmail apparently now considers that to be 
>> sufficient reason to bounce the e-mail so I've been trying to get 
>> Thunderbird to use the Yahoo server to send mail for this account.
>>
>> So far I haven't been able to come up with any combination of 
>> settings, including removing the account and recreating it in 
>> Thunderbird, that allow the mail to go through.
>>
>> The messages I get either complain about the password or tell me "An 
>> error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: Request 
>> failed; Mailbox unavailable. Please check the message and try again."
>>
>> Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?
>>
>>
> Pretty sure, it's the issue with Yahoo¹ ², nothing to do with Thunderbird.
> Yahoo is following the same path as GMail, forcing their users to use 
> web browsers as mail clients.
> In case of GMail you have to use same generated "app-password" for 
> both IMAP and SMTP services.
> I guess the same principle will be for Yahoo.
>
>
> [1] 
> https://help.yahoo.com/kb/account/temporary-access-insecure-sln27791.html
> [2] 
> https://help.yahoo.com/kb/account/generate-manage-third-party-passwords-sln15241.html
> -- 
Yes, I've tried the app passwords without success. As near as I can 
tell, they are just a randomly generated secure password that is linked 
to a particular application as well as the account.

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On Vi, 10 sep 21, 20:55:43, Gary Dale wrote:
> On 2021-09-10 18:11, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:
> > 
> > Pretty sure, it's the issue with Yahoo¹ ², nothing to do with Thunderbird.
> > Yahoo is following the same path as GMail, forcing their users to use
> > web browsers as mail clients.
> > In case of GMail you have to use same generated "app-password" for both
> > IMAP and SMTP services.
> > I guess the same principle will be for Yahoo.
> > 
> > 
> > [1]
> > https://help.yahoo.com/kb/account/temporary-access-insecure-sln27791.html
> > [2] https://help.yahoo.com/kb/account/generate-manage-third-party-passwords-sln15241.html
> > -- 
> Yes, I've tried the app passwords without success. As near as I can tell,
> they are just a randomly generated secure password that is linked to a
> particular application as well as the account.
 
On the other hand, at least in my opinion, they are preferable for 
situations where it's necessary to write the password in some 
configuration file (e.g. MTA configured to forward via smarthost, for 
interactive use it's possible to use a password manager instead).

The application password can only be used for SMTP/POP/IMAP (but not for 
logging in to the web interface) and in case you have reason to suspect 
it was compromised it can be easily revoked from the web interface.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote:
> I've got a Yahoo mail account (among others) that I use for a 
> particular purpose. However it's been a while since I've been able to 
> send e-mail from it using Yahoo's smtp servers. Instead I've been 
> sending e-mail via another smtp server so the "From" address doesn't 
> match the login domain. Gmail apparently now considers that to be 
> sufficient reason to bounce the e-mail so I've been trying to get 
> Thunderbird to use the Yahoo server to send mail for this account.
>
> So far I haven't been able to come up with any combination of 
> settings, including removing the account and recreating it in 
> Thunderbird, that allow the mail to go through.
>
> The messages I get either complain about the password or tell me "An 
> error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: Request 
> failed; Mailbox unavailable. Please check the message and try again."
>
> Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?
>
>

I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and oauth2

smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993

I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of effort.


-- 
Jeremy

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#239860

On 11/09/2021 6:26 am, Jeremy Ardley wrote:
>
> On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote:
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?
>>
>>
>
> I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and 
> oauth2
>
> smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993
>
> I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of effort.
>
>
This may be relevant. You need to remove any stored passwords after you 
apply oauth2 to an account.

https://www.supertechcrew.com/thunderbird-oauth2-gmail/

Jeremy

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#239866

On 2021-09-10 18:32, jeremy ardley wrote:
>
> On 11/09/2021 6:26 am, Jeremy Ardley wrote:
>>
>> On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and 
>> oauth2
>>
>> smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993
>>
>> I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of effort.
>>
>>
> This may be relevant. You need to remove any stored passwords after 
> you apply oauth2 to an account.
>
> https://www.supertechcrew.com/thunderbird-oauth2-gmail/
>
> Jeremy
>
I've tried that already but I'll give it another go. I actually removed 
all my stored Thunderbird passwords for Yahoo before I recreated the 
account in Thunderbird.

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On 11/9/21 8:51 am, Gary Dale wrote:
> On 2021-09-10 18:32, jeremy ardley wrote:
>>
>> On 11/09/2021 6:26 am, Jeremy Ardley wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and 
>>> oauth2
>>>
>>> smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993
>>>
>>> I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of 
>>> effort.
>>>
>>>
>> This may be relevant. You need to remove any stored passwords after 
>> you apply oauth2 to an account.
>>
>> https://www.supertechcrew.com/thunderbird-oauth2-gmail/
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
> I've tried that already but I'll give it another go. I actually 
> removed all my stored Thunderbird passwords for Yahoo before I 
> recreated the account in Thunderbird.
>
The other thing that may be relevant is using the full yahoo address as 
the username e.g. joe.blow@yahoo.com rather than joe.blow

-- 
Jeremy

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#239871

On 2021-09-10 20:51, Gary Dale wrote:
> On 2021-09-10 18:32, jeremy ardley wrote:
>>
>> On 11/09/2021 6:26 am, Jeremy Ardley wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and 
>>> oauth2
>>>
>>> smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993
>>>
>>> I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of 
>>> effort.
>>>
>>>
>> This may be relevant. You need to remove any stored passwords after 
>> you apply oauth2 to an account.
>>
>> https://www.supertechcrew.com/thunderbird-oauth2-gmail/
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
> I've tried that already but I'll give it another go. I actually 
> removed all my stored Thunderbird passwords for Yahoo before I 
> recreated the account in Thunderbird.


Found it. I also needed to remove the smtp server for Yahoo. When 
Thunderbird set up the account, it simply reused the existing 
smtp.mail.yahoo.com server definition. Even when I set that up 
correctly, it wasn't working. However when I deleted it along with the 
pop account, it recreated it from scratch and now it seems to work.

I note that I now have 3 saved passwords for the account:
1) mailbox:// ... for the pop server
2) oauth:// ....
3) smtp:// ...

The passwords are all the same - the very long computer generated one.

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#239873

On 2021-09-10 20:51, Gary Dale wrote:
> On 2021-09-10 18:32, jeremy ardley wrote:
>>
>> On 11/09/2021 6:26 am, Jeremy Ardley wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and 
>>> oauth2
>>>
>>> smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993
>>>
>>> I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of effort.
>>>
>>>
>> This may be relevant. You need to remove any stored passwords after 
>> you apply oauth2 to an account.
>>
>> https://www.supertechcrew.com/thunderbird-oauth2-gmail/
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
> I've tried that already but I'll give it another go. I actually 
> removed all my stored Thunderbird passwords for Yahoo before I 
> recreated the account in Thunderbird.

I may have spoke too soon. Got this message "An error occurred while 
sending mail. The mail server responded:  Request failed; Mailbox 
unavailable. Please check the message and try again." when I tried to 
send an e-mail from the account. The only change I made to the settings 
was I set a reply-to...  The message went into my sent folder after I 
cleared the error (for the second time) but it isn't showing up in the 
online (yahoo.com) sent folder but an earlier test message I sent is there.

When I removed the reply-to header, the message went out without 
problems and showed up in the online sent folder as well.

It looks like at least part of my problem aws the use of a reply-to address.

 >>>>>>>>>

Found it. I also needed to remove the smtp server for Yahoo. When 
Thunderbird set up the account, it simply reused the existing 
smtp.mail.yahoo.com server definition. Even when I set that up 
correctly, it wasn't working. However when I deleted it along with the 
pop account, it recreated it from scratch and now it seems to work.

I note that I now have 3 saved passwords for the account:
1) mailbox:// ... for the pop server
2) oauth:// ....
3) smtp:// ...

The passwords are all the same - the very long computer generated one.

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#239867

On 2021-09-10 18:26, Jeremy Ardley wrote:
>
> On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote:
>> I've got a Yahoo mail account (among others) that I use for a 
>> particular purpose. However it's been a while since I've been able to 
>> send e-mail from it using Yahoo's smtp servers. Instead I've been 
>> sending e-mail via another smtp server so the "From" address doesn't 
>> match the login domain. Gmail apparently now considers that to be 
>> sufficient reason to bounce the e-mail so I've been trying to get 
>> Thunderbird to use the Yahoo server to send mail for this account.
>>
>> So far I haven't been able to come up with any combination of 
>> settings, including removing the account and recreating it in 
>> Thunderbird, that allow the mail to go through.
>>
>> The messages I get either complain about the password or tell me "An 
>> error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: Request 
>> failed; Mailbox unavailable. Please check the message and try again."
>>
>> Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?
>>
>>
>
> I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and 
> oauth2
>
> smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993
>
> I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of effort.
>
I had a similar problem with a Rogers account that stopped working. It's 
one of the reasons I stopped using Rogers... They turned their e-mail 
over to Yahoo and Yahoo doesn't really support e-mail.

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#239872 — OT: Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?

Offtopic:

You sure you want to use Yahoo knowing what are they capable of, or,
what they are not capable of doing, where they should?

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/yahoo-admits-staff-knew-state-sponsored-hack-2014-1590924

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/yahoo-breach-one-billion-state-government-actor-criminals-1.3898586

On 11/09/2021 01:52, Gary Dale wrote:
> On 2021-09-10 18:26, Jeremy Ardley wrote:
>>
>> On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote:
>>> I've got a Yahoo mail account (among others) that I use for a
>>> particular purpose. However it's been a while since I've been able to
>>> send e-mail from it using Yahoo's smtp servers. Instead I've been
>>> sending e-mail via another smtp server so the "From" address doesn't
>>> match the login domain. Gmail apparently now considers that to be
>>> sufficient reason to bounce the e-mail so I've been trying to get
>>> Thunderbird to use the Yahoo server to send mail for this account.
>>>
>>> So far I haven't been able to come up with any combination of
>>> settings, including removing the account and recreating it in
>>> Thunderbird, that allow the mail to go through.
>>>
>>> The messages I get either complain about the password or tell me "An
>>> error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: Request
>>> failed; Mailbox unavailable. Please check the message and try again."
>>>
>>> Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and
>> oauth2
>>
>> smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993
>>
>> I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of effort.
>>
> I had a similar problem with a Rogers account that stopped working. It's
> one of the reasons I stopped using Rogers... They turned their e-mail
> over to Yahoo and Yahoo doesn't really support e-mail.
>
>


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#239874 — Re: OT: Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?

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On 11/9/21 9:48 am, piorunz wrote:
> Offtopic:
>
> You sure you want to use Yahoo knowing what are they capable of, or,
> what they are not capable of doing, where they should?
>
> https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/yahoo-admits-staff-knew-state-sponsored-hack-2014-1590924 
>
>
> https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/yahoo-breach-one-billion-state-government-actor-criminals-1.3898586 
>
>
>

Personally I use yahoo as a throw-away account for dodgy sites.

Using gmail you have the problem that google scans all messages and you 
may well get different search results. For instance my son emailed me 
his flight itinerary. Google picked up on that and gave me his details 
when I searched the flight number

Also, using gmail, it's noticeably slower than my own postfix and 
dovecot servers when I connect using my phone remotely. gmail 
authorisation seems to take a very long time.

-- 
Jeremy

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#239892

On 9/10/21 3:39 PM, Gary Dale wrote:
[snip]
> 
> Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?

Yes, works fine with Thunderbird windows and thunderbird 78.14.0 on 
debian linux stable.

Settings:

Account name:  you@yahoo.com
email address:  you@yahoo.com
IMAP server  imap.mail.yahoo.com  Port: 993
SSL/TLS
OAuth2

Yahoo! Mail
SMTP:  smtp.mail.yahoo.com	Port: 465
SSL/TLS
OAuth2

Important:  thunderbird preferences -> Privacy & Security -> Web Content
check  Accept cookies from sites
-> Exceptions 	-> http://yahoo.com Allow
		-> https://yahoo.com  Allow
Accept third-party  Never
Keep until they expire

More help:
Thunderbird and Yahoo
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-and-yahoo

Good luck!

Ralph

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