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Partially Solved: OT: Why have I not received any messages from Dedeco (was: Re: (HTML) Re: Trouble upgrading Debian (reply to David Wright))

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  Partially Solved: OT: Why have I not received any messages from Dedeco (was: Re: (HTML) Re: Trouble upgrading Debian (reply to David Wright)) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-09-07 14:50 +0200
    Re: Partially Solved: OT: Why have I not received any messages from  Dedeco (was: Re: (HTML) Re: Trouble upgrading Debian (reply to David  Wright)) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-09-07 17:10 +0200
      Re: Partially Solved: OT: Why have I not received any messages from Dedeco (was: Re: (HTML) Re: Trouble upgrading Debian (reply to David Wright)) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-09-07 18:30 +0200
        Re: Partially Solved: OT: Why have I not received any messages from  Dedeco (was: Re: (HTML) Re: Trouble upgrading Debian (reply to David Wright)) Dedeco Balaco <dedeco.balaco@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-07 18:50 +0200
        Re: Partially Solved: OT: Why have I not received any messages from Dedeco (was: Re: (HTML) Re: Trouble upgrading Debian (reply to David Wright)) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-09-07 19:20 +0200

#239771 — Partially Solved: OT: Why have I not received any messages from Dedeco (was: Re: (HTML) Re: Trouble upgrading Debian (reply to David Wright))

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I asked and then answered my own question -- google decided the messages from 
Dedeco were spam, with this message when I open one (in google mail):

<quote>
This message seems dangerous 
Similar messages were used to steal people's personal information. Avoid 
clicking links, downloading attachments, or replying with personal 
information.
<quote>
Makes me wonder.
I occasionally seem to lose other messages (I get the message from the debian-
user lists about about some (small number of) messages beeing undeliverable  
in the last day or so (can't remember the term used, and maybe there is a 
threat to unsubscribe me if it gets worse and continues -- I don't remember 
that message very well).
But, my point here is that this is different -- the messages from the debian-
user list indicate that they (it) got a notification that my message could not 
be delivered, in this case, the messages were delivered but google decided 
they were spam.
I wonder what criteria google used to decide they were spam?  Do they know 
something we don't know, or is just because he used HTML and somehow google 
knows the list is intended to be plain text?
Draft start of old message below:

I am puzzled.  In my kmail client, I have not received any of the messages 
that people have replied to from Dedeco Balaco <dedeco.balaco@yahoo.com>.

If I look in the archives, I see them (e.g., there are 4 on 
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/09/threads.html#00154).

I have never killfiled or blocked anyone.

Ahh, I should check my gmail spam folder... ahh, there they are -- I guess 
google decided they are spam

Interesting.


On Monday, September 06, 2021 10:36:03 PM Kenneth Parker wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 3:47 PM Dedeco Balaco <dedeco.balaco@yahoo.com>

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#239774 — Re: Partially Solved: OT: Why have I not received any messages from Dedeco (was: Re: (HTML) Re: Trouble upgrading Debian (reply to David Wright))

On Tue 07 Sep 2021 at 08:49:19 (-0400), rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:

> I occasionally seem to lose other messages (I get the message from the debian-
> user lists about about some (small number of) messages beeing undeliverable  
> in the last day or so (can't remember the term used, and maybe there is a 
> threat to unsubscribe me if it gets worse and continues -- I don't remember 
> that message very well).

Probably like:

 "In the last seven days we've seen bounces for the following list:
  * debian-user
      1 bounce out of 32 mails in one day (3%, kick-score is 80%)
      (https://lists.debian.org/bounces/RnYmpd6xf_mNRHfzU2iUYA)

  (The link above points to a copy of the latest bounce
  and will be valid for seven days.)

  If the bounce-rate passes the kick-score, our bounce-detection will forcibly
  remove your subscription.

> But, my point here is that this is different -- the messages from the debian-
> user list indicate that they (it) got a notification that my message could not 
> be delivered, in this case, the messages were delivered but google decided 
> they were spam.

> Ahh, I should check my gmail spam folder... ahh, there they are -- I guess 
> google decided they are spam

Can you add   Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org   to your
whitelist? Or isn't it possible to use Resent-From?

Cheers,
David.

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#239775

Thanks for the reply, some responses interspersed below:

On Tuesday, September 07, 2021 11:07:36 AM David Wright wrote:
> On Tue 07 Sep 2021 at 08:49:19 (-0400), rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> > -- I don't remember that message very well).
> 
> Probably like:
> 
>  "In the last seven days we've seen bounces for the following list:
>   * debian-user
>       1 bounce out of 32 mails in one day (3%, kick-score is 80%)
>       (https://lists.debian.org/bounces/RnYmpd6xf_mNRHfzU2iUYA)
> 
>   (The link above points to a copy of the latest bounce
>   and will be valid for seven days.)
> 
>   If the bounce-rate passes the kick-score, our bounce-detection will
> forcibly remove your subscription.

Ahh, yes, that is the message I was thinking of, and the words "bounce" and 
"kick-score".

> >  in this case, the messages were
> > delivered but google decided they were spam.
> 
> Can you add   Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org   to your
> whitelist? Or isn't it possible to use Resent-From?

Thanks, I'll have to look into that -- that would be something I have to do 
for / at google and I'm not familiar with what I can do there.  (I'll google 
for [gmail whitelist] and go from there...)

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#239776 — Re: Partially Solved: OT: Why have I not received any messages from Dedeco (was: Re: (HTML) Re: Trouble upgrading Debian (reply to David Wright))

One or two days after i tried to subscribe using the site, I received a
warning from this list saying that several messages were bounced by
Yahoo. It also said that if more bounces happen, i may be unsubscribed.
So, the subscribing messages i tried to make did not even arrived to my
spam folder - i checked this before trying the command subscription.


Em 07/09/2021 13:27, rhkramer@gmail.com escreveu:
> Thanks for the reply, some responses interspersed below:
> 
> On Tuesday, September 07, 2021 11:07:36 AM David Wright wrote:
>> On Tue 07 Sep 2021 at 08:49:19 (-0400), rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
>>> -- I don't remember that message very well).
>>
>> Probably like:
>>
>>  "In the last seven days we've seen bounces for the following list:
>>   * debian-user
>>       1 bounce out of 32 mails in one day (3%, kick-score is 80%)
>>       (https://lists.debian.org/bounces/RnYmpd6xf_mNRHfzU2iUYA)
>>
>>   (The link above points to a copy of the latest bounce
>>   and will be valid for seven days.)
>>
>>   If the bounce-rate passes the kick-score, our bounce-detection will
>> forcibly remove your subscription.
> 
> Ahh, yes, that is the message I was thinking of, and the words "bounce" and 
> "kick-score".
> 
>>>  in this case, the messages were
>>> delivered but google decided they were spam.
>>
>> Can you add   Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org   to your
>> whitelist? Or isn't it possible to use Resent-From?
> 
> Thanks, I'll have to look into that -- that would be something I have to do 
> for / at google and I'm not familiar with what I can do there.  (I'll google 
> for [gmail whitelist] and go from there...)
> 

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#239777

On Tuesday, September 07, 2021 12:27:32 PM rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> > Can you add   Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org   to your
> > whitelist? Or isn't it possible to use Resent-From?
> 
> Thanks, I'll have to look into that -- that would be something I have to do
> for / at google and I'm not familiar with what I can do there.  (I'll
> google for [gmail whitelist] and go from there...)

Turns out it was pretty easy to add debian-user to a whitelist (instructions 
below), but no obvious way to specify "Resent-from".  I have now received one 
post by Dedeco, so this might have done the job.

<instructions>

On your gmail webmail page:

   * Click on the gear in the upper right corner -- that should take you to 
the "Settings" page
   * Choose "Filters and Blocked Addresses"
   * Scroll to the bottom
   * Choose "Create a New Filter"
   * Enter the criteria (e.g., email address, ...)
   * Click "Create Filter"
   * Choose action, e.g., "Never send it to Spam"

You can also do things like forwarding an email to somewhere else.

Source:

   * [[https://downtimemonkey.com/blog/how-to-whitelist-an-email-address-in-
gmail.php][Whitelist Email Addresses In Gmail]]; 08 Nov 2018

Blocking IP addresses: there is a way to block IP addresses, but:

   * [[https://support.google.com/a/answer/60751][Google Workspace Admin 
Help]]
`
Add IP addresses to allowlists in Gmail

If you have the legacy free edition of G Suite, upgrade to Google Workspace to 
get this feature. 
'
</instructions>

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