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  Re: icewm anomaly after bullseye upgrade Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2021-09-02 22:10 +0200
    Re: icewm anomaly after bullseye upgrade Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2021-09-03 09:50 +0200
      Re: icewm anomaly after bullseye upgrade Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2021-09-04 08:00 +0200
        Re: icewm anomaly after bullseye upgrade "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-09-04 11:30 +0200

#239592 — Re: icewm anomaly after bullseye upgrade

Thanks to those who chimed in!

My focus today is on those lines in ~/.icewm/preferences that 
specify fonts for the task bar. I have in mind such statements 
as:

NormalTaskBarFontNameXft="DejaVuSans-Bold,sans-serif:size=18"
ActiveTaskBarFontNameXft="DejaVuSans-Bold,sans-serif:size=18"

I suspect the syntax of my lines does not represent actual fonts 
that are available on this machine.

Can anyone provide a critique of that syntax?


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#239609

Hi,

On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 16:02:08 -0400 (EDT)
Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> wrote:

> Thanks to those who chimed in!
> 
> My focus today is on those lines in ~/.icewm/preferences that 
> specify fonts for the task bar. I have in mind such statements 
> as:
> 
> NormalTaskBarFontNameXft="DejaVuSans-Bold,sans-serif:size=18"
> ActiveTaskBarFontNameXft="DejaVuSans-Bold,sans-serif:size=18"
> 
> I suspect the syntax of my lines does not represent actual fonts 
> that are available on this machine.
> 
> Can anyone provide a critique of that syntax?

according to https://ice-wm.org/man/icewm-preferences the syntax for
using a bold font should rather be:

ActiveTaskBarFontNameXft=”sans-serif:size=12:bold” .

That comma-separated font list thing does not seem to work (at least not
with the IceWM version from Buster); since I suspect that "DejaVuSans"
and "sans-serif" might be equivalent here, I tried with a different font
here:

NormalTaskBarFontNameXft="Akkadian,sans-serif:size=11:bold"

This gives me the Akkadian font with normal (or medium) weight.
Changing the first font name to one that does not exist, like

NormalTaskBarFontNameXft="Akadian,sans-serif:size=11:bold"

gives me a normal weight default/fallback font. Likewise

NormalTaskBarFontNameXft="Akkadian:size=11:bold,sans-serif:size=11:bold"
resp.
NormalTaskBarFontNameXft="Akadian:size=11:bold,sans-serif:size=11:bold"

gives me a bold Akkadian font resp. that same normal weight default
fallback font as above.

I have some doubt though, that this has anything to do with your original
problem.

Best regards

Michael


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On Fri, 3 Sep 2021, Michael Lange wrote:

> according to https://ice-wm.org/man/icewm-preferences the 
> syntax for using a bold font should rather be:

> ActiveTaskBarFontNameXft=”sans-serif:size=12:bold” .

Ah. RTFM still applies.

That did the trick for me. Thank You Sir!

> I have some doubt though, that this has anything to do with 
> your original problem.

That is correct. I did resolve my problem with 'WorkspaceNames=' 
not governing the number of workspaces shown on the Taskbar, 
but my error was so stupid I am ashamed to reveal it here in 
front of everyone, and probably won't even tell anyone off-list.

As a rule I am not above posting really dumb questions (no 
wisecracks, thank you), but that one was beyond anything even I 
could suffer.

Thanks to all the assembled faithful as per usual.

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"generalizations" and the very concepts of "time" and "space"
occur only in conjunction with a human nervous system?

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#239662

On Sat, Sep 04, 2021 at 01:58:41AM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Sep 2021, Michael Lange wrote:
> 
> > according to https://ice-wm.org/man/icewm-preferences the syntax for
> > using a bold font should rather be:
> 
> > ActiveTaskBarFontNameXft=”sans-serif:size=12:bold” .
> 
> Ah. RTFM still applies.
> 
> That did the trick for me. Thank You Sir!
> 
> > I have some doubt though, that this has anything to do with your
> > original problem.
> 
> That is correct. I did resolve my problem with 'WorkspaceNames=' not
> governing the number of workspaces shown on the Taskbar, but my error was so
> stupid I am ashamed to reveal it here in front of everyone, and probably
> won't even tell anyone off-list.
> 
> As a rule I am not above posting really dumb questions (no wisecracks, thank
> you), but that one was beyond anything even I could suffer.

No dumb questions ever. After 23 years around Debian, I still find the 
best and quickest way to find an error is to stare at it for three days,
ask someone else to look at it - and they find it in 30 seconds.

Smart wisecrack answers / demeaning someone else's efforts (always provided
they show they've done something) - that's another thing.

It's very worthwhile to think we have all sorts of people with all sorts
of experience and expertise lurking here and that somebody will know the
answer / direct you to resources to find it / have an "Aha!" moment and
sort out their own puzzle when they see you raise it.

All best, as ever,

Andy Cater

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