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| Started by | Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> |
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| First post | 2021-08-22 02:00 +0200 |
| Last post | 2021-08-24 11:20 +0200 |
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smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 02:00 +0200
Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 02:50 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 03:10 +0200
Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 05:00 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 05:10 +0200
Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 05:10 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 05:30 +0200
Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-08-22 07:30 +0200
Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 08:30 +0200
Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:30 +0200
Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-08-22 12:10 +0200
Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 13:30 +0200
Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 15:20 +0200
Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 16:30 +0200
Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 18:50 +0200
FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans) Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 07:30 +0200
Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-22 09:10 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 09:50 +0200
Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-22 10:00 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:10 +0200
Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 10:10 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:20 +0200
Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 10:30 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:50 +0200
Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 15:10 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 16:10 +0200
Re: smart fans The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-08-22 16:10 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 16:20 +0200
Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 18:50 +0200
Re: smart fans Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2021-08-22 17:30 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 17:50 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 09:50 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:00 +0200
Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 10:20 +0200
Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-22 10:30 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:40 +0200
Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 10:40 +0200
Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 10:40 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 10:50 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 11:30 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 11:50 +0200
Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 15:10 +0200
Re: smart fans didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2021-08-22 11:50 +0200
Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 15:10 +0200
Re: smart fans didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2021-08-22 11:30 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 11:00 +0200
Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 15:10 +0200
Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-22 15:50 +0200
Re: smart fans rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-08-22 16:10 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 16:50 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 16:10 +0200
Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-22 16:30 +0200
Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 18:50 +0200
Re: smart fans Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-22 23:10 +0200
Re: smart fans Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-23 00:20 +0200
Re: smart fans "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-22 16:30 +0200
Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 18:50 +0200
Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-22 19:00 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 23:10 +0200
Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-23 10:10 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 21:10 +0200
Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-23 21:10 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-23 21:30 +0200
Re: smart fans <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-23 21:40 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 22:30 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 00:30 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 22:30 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 23:20 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 21:30 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 22:00 +0200
Re: smart fans didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2021-08-22 23:20 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 23:40 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 23:50 +0200
Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-23 00:40 +0200
Re: smart fans didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2021-08-23 09:30 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 22:20 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-22 23:10 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 23:30 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-22 23:50 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-23 00:10 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 02:00 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 02:10 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 02:40 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 03:00 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-23 03:30 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 21:00 +0200
Re: smart fans "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-08-24 18:20 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 23:00 +0200
Re: smart fans Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-23 03:30 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 21:00 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-23 03:20 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 21:00 +0200
Re: smart fans "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-23 22:50 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-23 23:00 +0200
Re: smart fans "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-23 23:30 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 00:50 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 01:30 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 02:30 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 03:00 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 04:30 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 05:20 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 09:00 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 23:20 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 23:40 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 00:40 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 00:20 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 02:10 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 04:00 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-24 07:30 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 09:50 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-25 00:20 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-25 01:30 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-08-29 01:00 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-29 12:00 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-09-04 00:10 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-09-04 03:50 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-09-04 04:50 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-09-04 23:00 +0200
Re: smart fans Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> - 2021-09-07 03:10 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-09-07 23:20 +0200
Re: smart fans David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-08-24 11:20 +0200
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| From | Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> |
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| Date | 2021-08-23 21:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CPnuy-2oR-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #239238 |
tomas wrote: > I say "back then" above, but there seem to be design > parameters which still favour brushes. My reasonably recent > power drill still has brushes. The 18V cordless power tools from Ryobi that I like come in several versions each and the most expensive ones are brushless, often. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2021-08-23 21:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CPnuz-2oR-23@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #239257 |
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On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 08:57:09PM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: > tomas wrote: > > > [...] My reasonably recent power drill still has brushes. > > The 18V cordless power tools from Ryobi that I like come in > several versions each and the most expensive ones are > brushless, often. My power tools all have cords :) Cheers - t
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| From | David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-23 21:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CPnNU-2v1-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #239238 |
On 8/23/21 1:03 AM, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 02:02:45PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > > [...] > >> What is "BLDC"? > > Brushless (electric) DC motor [1]. Back Then (TM ;-), to turn an > electric motor around you had to switch around the magnetic field > in the coils at (about) the right time. This was accomplished by > sliding contacts (aka "brushes") on a sectioned cylinder. > > These days you use silicon magic (aka electronics to accomplish > the same thing. > > I say "back then" above, but there seem to be design parameters > which still favour brushes. My reasonably recent power drill > still has brushes. > > Cheers > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLDC > > - t Thank you. Do you know where there is information that explains how a BLDC computer fan motor responds to variable supply voltage? David
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2021-08-23 21:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CPnXA-2yk-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #239259 |
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On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 12:20:34PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: [...] > Thank you. Do you know where there is information that explains how > a BLDC computer fan motor responds to variable supply voltage? Not specifically for computer fans, and the controller electronics (which is a must for a BLDC) has to be somewhat prepared to do this, but here [1] is a blog post which gives a rough idea of the things involved. BLDCs are a huge thing in drones and things. Cheers [1] https://things-in-motion.blogspot.com/2019/05/understanding-bldc-pmsm-electric-motors.html - t
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| From | Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> |
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| Date | 2021-08-23 22:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CPoJX-34d-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #239260 |
With the 'powersave' governor and all 5 fans "Silent", the CPU temperature, for random/normal computer use, is in (33.25 51.125) and ditto GPU (40 42), and with the 'performance' governor it is ... exactly the same. https://dataswamp.org/~incal/conf/.zsh/misc-hw -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal
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| From | David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-24 00:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CPqC5-4cI-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #239260 |
On 8/23/21 12:36 PM, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 12:20:34PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > > [...] > >> Thank you. Do you know where there is information that explains how >> a BLDC computer fan motor responds to variable supply voltage? > > Not specifically for computer fans, and the controller electronics > (which is a must for a BLDC) has to be somewhat prepared to do this, > but here [1] is a blog post which gives a rough idea of the things > involved. > > BLDCs are a huge thing in drones and things. > > Cheers > > [1] https://things-in-motion.blogspot.com/2019/05/understanding-bldc-pmsm-electric-motors.html > > - t Thank you. :-) David
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| From | David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-22 22:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CP2gp-61a-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #239157 |
On 8/22/21 1:39 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote: > 4-pin fans wouldn't be possible because of the motherboard > sockets, I think, which are also 3-pin. The motherboard user's manual says all of the fan connectors are 4-pin. On 8/22/21 6:03 AM, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Like I already wrote, modifying voltage doesn't change speed of a motor > (fan). STFW here are some useful wiring diagrams for x86 ATX PC computer power supplies and fans: https://www.smpspowersupply.com/connectors-pinouts.html https://landing.coolermaster.com/faq/3-pin-and-4-pin-fan-wire-diagrams/ Changing the supply voltage of a old-school 2-wire fan will change the speed. These typically have 4-pin power supply Molex connectors and/or 2-pin 0.1" general electronics connectors. I connect these to Molex connectors or manual speed controllers, paying attention to alignment/ polarity. Changing the supply voltage of a 3-pin fan, where the 3rd wire is tachometer feedback, will change the speed. I connect these to motherboard 3-pin and 4-pin fan connectors, paying attention to the alignment tab. Changing the supply voltage of a 4-pin fan, where the 3rd wire is tachometer feedback and the 4th wire is PWM speed control, may change the fan speed, may cause the electronics onboard the fan assembly to malfunction or fail, and/or may cause the electronics feeding the fan to malfunction or fail. I connect these to motherboard 4-pin fan connectors, paying attention to the alignment tab. Be careful when making connections. I once mis-aligned a 2.5" IDE HDD 40-pin power/signal adapter cable to a 2.5" IDE HDD and was off by one row. When I energized the power supply, the result was a short-circuit, smoked insulation, and permanently damaged hardware! David
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| From | Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> |
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| Date | 2021-08-22 23:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CP32O-6wZ-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #239213 |
David Christensen wrote: > The motherboard user's manual says all of the fan connectors > are 4-pin. Indeed, I looked at one of the fan's wires instead of the connector :$ > Changing the supply voltage of a old-school 2-wire fan will > change the speed. These typically have 4-pin power supply > Molex connectors and/or 2-pin 0.1" general electronics > connectors. I connect these to Molex connectors or manual > speed controllers, paying attention to alignment/polarity. > > Changing the supply voltage of a 3-pin fan, where the 3rd > wire is tachometer feedback, will change the speed. > I connect these to motherboard 3-pin and 4-pin fan > connectors, paying attention to the alignment tab. > > Changing the supply voltage of a 4-pin fan, where the 3rd > wire is tachometer feedback and the 4th wire is PWM speed > control, may change the fan speed, may cause the electronics > onboard the fan assembly to malfunction or fail, and/or may > cause the electronics feeding the fan to malfunction or > fail. I connect these to motherboard 4-pin fan connectors, > paying attention to the alignment tab. > > Be careful when making connections. I once mis-aligned > a 2.5" IDE HDD 40-pin power/signal adapter cable to a 2.5" > IDE HDD and was off by one row. When I energized the power > supply, the result was a short-circuit, smoked insulation, > and permanently damaged hardware! :) -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal
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| From | David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-22 21:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CP1km-5sn-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #239143 |
On 8/22/21 12:56 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote: > David Christensen wrote: > >> If you throttle your CPU, it will not generate as much heat: >> >> https://wiki.debian.org/CpuFrequencyScaling > > You mean permanently or when I'm not using the computer? Install the Debian package 'cpufrequtils'. Use cpufreq-info(1) to get information about CPU frequency settings, including the governor. Use cpufreq-set(1) to make changes. For example, here is my daily driver laptop. Debian offers two governor settings, "powersave" and "performance". It booted up with the "powersave" governor. If I were playing games, crunching numbers, etc., I could change the governor to "performance": 2021-08-22 11:40:22 root@dipsy ~ # cpufreq-info -g performance powersave 2021-08-22 11:42:37 root@dipsy ~ # cpufreq-info -p 800000 3300000 powersave 2021-08-22 11:42:44 root@dipsy ~ # cpufreq-info -f 825551 2021-08-22 11:44:50 root@dipsy ~ # cpufreq-set -g performance 2021-08-22 11:46:14 root@dipsy ~ # cpufreq-info -p 800000 3300000 performance 2021-08-22 11:46:23 root@dipsy ~ # cpufreq-info -f 2539034 When I'm done, I can change the governor to "powersave": 2021-08-22 11:46:59 root@dipsy ~ # cpufreq-set -g powersave Some of my other machines offer additional governors -- "powersave" and "userspace". Run "cpufreq-info -g" to see what Debian offers on your motherboard. >> Some motherboards have temperature sensors > > The GPU seems to be always 41C while the CPU shows a cycle of > some 34-47C. > >> fan connectors (e.g. 4-pin) > > Fan connectors are 3-pin! > The motherboard is Asus ROG Strix B450-F Gaming. The user's manual: https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM4/ROG_STRIX_B450_F_GAMING/E14401_ROG_STRIX_B450-F_GAMING_UM_WEB.pdf The table "specifications summary", "Internal I/O Ports" on page xii says: 1 x 4-Pin CPU fan connector 1 x 4-Pin CPU_OPT fan connector 1 x 4-Pin AIO_PUMP connector 3 x 4-Pin Chassis fan connectors See section 3.2.3 "QFan Control" for how to use the Setup utility to control fan speeds. > Fans are: > > fan front low be quiet! Shadow Wings 2 140 mm > front high be quiet! Shadow Wings 2 140 mm > CPU cooling tower be quiet! Pure Wings 2 120 mm (2) > rear Corsair 120 mm > projector extra fractal Silent Series R3 140 mm What is "projector extra"? The "be quiet!" fans appear to be made in 3-pin and 4-pin versions. We need a model number to check the Corsair fan. The "fractal Silent Series R3" appears to have 3 pins: https://www.bequiet.com/en/casefans/1625 https://www.bequiet.com/en/casefans/pure-wings-2/783 https://www.fractal-design.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Silent-Series-R3-Fans-Product-Sheet-0.23-MB.pdf You will want to identify which fan is connected to which motherboard connector. See user's manual section 1.1.2 "Motherboard layout". Document connections using the motherboard connector names. The Setup QFan Control should be able to control the speed of either 3-pin or 4-pin fans. I would try "DC Mode" for 3-pin fans and "PWM Mode" for 4-pin fans. >> firmware settings > > Where are these? The BIOS/UEFI? See section 3.2 "BIOS setup program" of the user's manual. David
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| From | Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> |
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| Date | 2021-08-22 22:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CP1Nn-5Cv-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #239210 |
It took an even closer look at the motherboard and discovered
_all_ connectors are 4-pin. Inside the computer, 3/5 fans are
4-pin and the two on the CPU cooling tower (which are 4-pin,
so it checks out) even have "PWM" in their sticker text.
If the BIOS/UEFI setting is already PWM, and the connectors
are 4-pin, and some of the fans are, what's missing?
And this makes it is even more difficult to understand why
pwmconfig(8) asks for 3-pin fans. Because I have them -
as well!
fan front low be quiet! Shadow Wings 2 140 mm, 3-pin [1]
front high be quiet! Shadow Wings 2 140 mm, 4-pin
CPU cooling tower be quiet! Pure Wings 2 120 mm, 4-pin (2) [2]
rear Corsair 120 mm, 3-pin
projector extra fractal Silent Series R3 140 mm, 3-pin [3]
(motherboard fan connectors are:
CPU_FAN, CPU_OPT, SHA_FAN1, SHA_FAN2, SHA_FAN3 - all 4-pin)
[1] https://www.bequiet.com/en/casefans/shadow-wings-2/1620
"available with or without PWM control"
[2] https://www.bequiet.com/en/casefans/449
"Fan speed @ 100% PWM / 12V: 1500 RPM"
[3] https://www.fractal-design.com/products/fans/silent/silent-series-r3-140mm/black/
(Doesn't mention PWM.)
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| From | didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-22 23:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CP32O-6wZ-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #239211 |
Le dimanche 22 août 2021 à 21:59 +0200, Emanuel Berg a écrit : > It took an even closer look at the motherboard and discovered > _all_ connectors are 4-pin. Inside the computer, 3/5 fans are > 4-pin and the two on the CPU cooling tower (which are 4-pin, > so it checks out) even have "PWM" in their sticker text. > > If the BIOS/UEFI setting is already PWM, and the connectors > are 4-pin, and some of the fans are, what's missing? > > And this makes it is even more difficult to understand why > pwmconfig(8) asks for 3-pin fans. Because I have them - > as well! > > fan front low be quiet! Shadow Wings 2 140 mm, 3- > pin [1] > front high be quiet! Shadow Wings 2 140 mm, 4-pin > CPU cooling tower be quiet! Pure Wings 2 120 mm, 4-pin > (2) [2] > rear Corsair 120 mm, 3-pin > projector extra fractal Silent Series R3 140 mm, 3- > pin [3] > (motherboard fan connectors are: > CPU_FAN, CPU_OPT, SHA_FAN1, SHA_FAN2, SHA_FAN3 - all 4-pin) [...] I would think that pwmconfig complains that it finds 3-pins fans set up to PWM mode (4-pins required) Your UEFI propose either to setup your fans globally or individually and I think that by default the setup is global. This would probably be fine il all your fans were either 3-pins (DC mode) or 4-pins (preferably PWM mode but DC mode is possibility). But you have both installed. A solution could be, in your UEFI, to individually set up all your 4-pins fans to PWM mode, while setting up all your 3-pins fans to DC mode.
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| From | Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> |
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| Date | 2021-08-22 23:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CP3ma-6Dd-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #239217 |
didier gaumet wrote: > I would think that pwmconfig complains that it finds 3-pins > fans set up to PWM mode (4-pins required) > > Your UEFI propose either to setup your fans globally or > individually and I think that by default the setup is > global. This would probably be fine il all your fans were > either 3-pins (DC mode) or 4-pins (preferably PWM mode but > DC mode is possibility). But you have both installed. > A solution could be, in your UEFI, to individually set up > all your 4-pins fans to PWM mode, while setting up all your > 3-pins fans to DC mode. Yeah, or replace the 3-pins with 4-pins? re: pwmconfig, here is what it says: $ sudo pwmconfig # pwmconfig version 3.6.0 This program will search your sensors for pulse width modulation (pwm) controls, and test each one to see if it controls a fan on your motherboard. Note that many motherboards do not have pwm circuitry installed, even if your sensor chip supports pwm. We will attempt to briefly stop each fan using the pwm controls. The program will attempt to restore each fan to full speed after testing. However, it is ** very important ** that you physically verify that the fans have been to full speed after the program has completed. Found the following devices: hwmon0 is k10temp hwmon1 is asus hwmon2 is nouveau Found the following PWM controls: hwmon2/pwm1 current value: 52 hwmon2/pwm1 is currently setup for automatic speed control. In general, automatic mode is preferred over manual mode, as it is more efficient and it reacts faster. Are you sure that you want to setup this output for manual control? (n) y Giving the fans some time to reach full speed... Found the following fan sensors: hwmon1/fan1_input current speed: 0 ... skipping! There are no working fan sensors, all readings are 0. Make sure you have a 3-wire fan connected. You may also need to increase the fan divisors. See doc/fan-divisors for more information. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal
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| From | David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-22 23:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CP3vP-6Gx-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #239220 |
On 8/22/21 2:26 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: > didier gaumet wrote: > >> I would think that pwmconfig complains that it finds 3-pins >> fans set up to PWM mode (4-pins required) >> >> Your UEFI propose either to setup your fans globally or >> individually and I think that by default the setup is >> global. This would probably be fine il all your fans were >> either 3-pins (DC mode) or 4-pins (preferably PWM mode but >> DC mode is possibility). But you have both installed. >> A solution could be, in your UEFI, to individually set up >> all your 4-pins fans to PWM mode, while setting up all your >> 3-pins fans to DC mode. > > Yeah, or replace the 3-pins with 4-pins? I believe your motherboard can support both 3-pin and 4-pin fans using hardware/ firmware/ Setup. > re: pwmconfig, here is what it says: > > $ sudo pwmconfig > # pwmconfig version 3.6.0 > This program will search your sensors for pulse width > modulation (pwm) controls, and test each one to see if it > controls a fan on your motherboard. Note that many > motherboards do not have pwm circuitry installed, even if your > sensor chip supports pwm. > > We will attempt to briefly stop each fan using the pwm > controls. The program will attempt to restore each fan to full > speed after testing. However, it is ** very important ** that > you physically verify that the fans have been to full speed > after the program has completed. > > Found the following devices: > hwmon0 is k10temp > hwmon1 is asus > hwmon2 is nouveau > > Found the following PWM controls: > hwmon2/pwm1 current value: 52 > hwmon2/pwm1 is currently setup for automatic speed control. > In general, automatic mode is preferred over manual mode, as > it is more efficient and it reacts faster. Are you sure that > you want to setup this output for manual control? (n) y > > Giving the fans some time to reach full speed... > Found the following fan sensors: > hwmon1/fan1_input current speed: 0 ... skipping! > > There are no working fan sensors, all readings are 0. > Make sure you have a 3-wire fan connected. > You may also need to increase the fan divisors. > See doc/fan-divisors for more information. I consider motherboard hardware/ firmware control of fans to be more reliable than operating system control of fans. Using a Linux tool to control the fans involves several layers of complexity and, given closed-source motherboard hardware and firmware, the only route is reverse engineering; which is error-prone at best. And, you paid for a motherboard that has advanced fan control features. I would advise using the motherboard hardware/ firmware/ Setup utility to control your fans. Can you control the speed of any of the fans using Setup? David
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| From | Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-23 00:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CP4ie-7hi-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #239222 |
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On 2021-08-22 5:47 p.m., David Christensen wrote: > On 8/22/21 2:26 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: >> didier gaumet wrote: >> >>> I would think that pwmconfig complains that it finds 3-pins >>> fans set up to PWM mode (4-pins required) >>> >>> Your UEFI propose either to setup your fans globally or >>> individually and I think that by default the setup is >>> global. This would probably be fine il all your fans were >>> either 3-pins (DC mode) or 4-pins (preferably PWM mode but >>> DC mode is possibility). But you have both installed. >>> A solution could be, in your UEFI, to individually set up >>> all your 4-pins fans to PWM mode, while setting up all your >>> 3-pins fans to DC mode. >> >> Yeah, or replace the 3-pins with 4-pins? > > > I believe your motherboard can support both 3-pin and 4-pin fans using > hardware/ firmware/ Setup. > > >> re: pwmconfig, here is what it says: >> >> $ sudo pwmconfig >> # pwmconfig version 3.6.0 >> This program will search your sensors for pulse width >> modulation (pwm) controls, and test each one to see if it >> controls a fan on your motherboard. Note that many >> motherboards do not have pwm circuitry installed, even if your >> sensor chip supports pwm. >> >> We will attempt to briefly stop each fan using the pwm >> controls. The program will attempt to restore each fan to full >> speed after testing. However, it is ** very important ** that >> you physically verify that the fans have been to full speed >> after the program has completed. >> >> Found the following devices: >> hwmon0 is k10temp >> hwmon1 is asus >> hwmon2 is nouveau >> >> Found the following PWM controls: >> hwmon2/pwm1 current value: 52 >> hwmon2/pwm1 is currently setup for automatic speed control. >> In general, automatic mode is preferred over manual mode, as >> it is more efficient and it reacts faster. Are you sure that >> you want to setup this output for manual control? (n) y >> >> Giving the fans some time to reach full speed... >> Found the following fan sensors: >> hwmon1/fan1_input current speed: 0 ... skipping! >> >> There are no working fan sensors, all readings are 0. >> Make sure you have a 3-wire fan connected. >> You may also need to increase the fan divisors. >> See doc/fan-divisors for more information. > > > I consider motherboard hardware/ firmware control of fans to be more > reliable than operating system control of fans. Using a Linux tool to > control the fans involves several layers of complexity and, given > closed-source motherboard hardware and firmware, the only route is > reverse engineering; which is error-prone at best. And, you paid for a > motherboard that has advanced fan control features. I would advise > using the motherboard hardware/ firmware/ Setup utility to control your > fans. > Somewhat what I advocated since the beginning. Seems to be much work with risks involved when there's already a working infrastructure that does the job. Overkill > > Can you control the speed of any of the fans using Setup? > > > David > -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
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| From | didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-23 09:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CPcz8-42Y-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #239220 |
Le dimanche 22 août 2021 à 23:26 +0200, Emanuel Berg a écrit : > > Yeah, or replace the 3-pins with 4-pins? [...] If you already have 4-pins fans available or are willing to invest in buying them, it would probably be the best solution Good luck :-)
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| From | Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> |
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| Date | 2021-08-22 22:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CP26K-5Yg-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #239210 |
David Christensen wrote:
> Some of my other machines offer additional governors --
> "powersave" and "userspace". Run "cpufreq-info -g" to see
> what Debian offers on your motherboard.
$ cpufreq-info -g
conservative userspace powersave ondemand performance schedutil
> The user's manual:
>
> https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM4/ROG_STRIX_B450_F_GAMING/E14401_ROG_STRIX_B450-F_GAMING_UM_WEB.pdf
Ah, excellent, couldn't find that on the page that was linked
previously in this thread...
>> Fans are:
>> fan front low be quiet! Shadow Wings 2 140 mm
>> front high be quiet! Shadow Wings 2 140 mm
>> CPU cooling tower be quiet! Pure Wings 2 120 mm (2)
>> rear Corsair 120 mm
>> projector extra fractal Silent Series R3 140 mm
>
> What is "projector extra"?
fan front low be quiet! Shadow Wings 2 140 mm 3-pin [1]
front high be quiet! Shadow Wings 2 140 mm 4-pin
CPU cooling tower be quiet! Pure Wings 2 120 mm 4-pin (2) [2]
rear Corsair 120 mm 3-pin
projector extra fractal Silent Series R3 140 mm 3-pin [3]
The motherboard fan connectors are:
CPU_FAN - CPU cooling tower;
CPU_OPT - CPU colling tower;
CHA_FAN1 - fan wire splitter - 3 wires - rear,
- 2 wires - projector extra;
CHA_FAN2 - front high;
CHA_FAN3 - front low.
All connectors are 4-pin. "Projector extra" is a fan
located outside the computer.
[1] https://www.bequiet.com/en/casefans/shadow-wings-2/1620
"available with or without PWM control"
[2] https://www.bequiet.com/en/casefans/449
"Fan speed @ 100% PWM / 12V: 1500 RPM"
[3] https://www.fractal-design.com/products/fans/silent/silent-series-r3-140mm/black/
(Doesn't mention PWM.)
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| From | David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-22 23:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CP2T7-6tC-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #239212 |
On 8/22/21 1:15 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: > fan front low be quiet! Shadow Wings 2 140 mm 3-pin [1] > front high be quiet! Shadow Wings 2 140 mm 4-pin > CPU cooling tower be quiet! Pure Wings 2 120 mm 4-pin (2) [2] > rear Corsair 120 mm 3-pin > projector extra fractal Silent Series R3 140 mm 3-pin [3] > > The motherboard fan connectors are: > CPU_FAN - CPU cooling tower; > CPU_OPT - CPU colling tower; > CHA_FAN1 - fan wire splitter - 3 wires - rear, > - 2 wires - projector extra; > CHA_FAN2 - front high; > CHA_FAN3 - front low. > All connectors are 4-pin. "Projector extra" is a fan > located outside the computer. I would disconnect the fan wire splitter, disconnect projector extra fan, and connect the Corsair fan directly to CHA_FAN1: CPU_FAN- CPU cooling tower - be quiet! Pure Wings 2, 120 mm, 4-pin CPU_OPT - CPU cooling tower - be quiet! Pure Wings 2, 120 mm, 4-pin CHA_FAN1 - location? - Corsair, 120 mm 3-pin CHA_FAN2 - front high - be quiet! Shadow Wings 2, 140 mm, 4-pin CHA_FAN3 - front low - be quiet! Shadow Wings 2, 140 mm, 3-pin It is unwise to power external devices from a computer motherboard. I would get a 12 VDC power adapter with suitable ampere rating for the projector extra fan. David
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| From | Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> |
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| Date | 2021-08-22 23:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CP3ct-6Ad-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #239214 |
David Christensen wrote: > I would disconnect the fan wire splitter, disconnect > projector extra fan, and connect the Corsair fan directly to > CHA_FAN1 [...] > > CHA_FAN1 - location? - Corsair, 120 mm 3-pin This fan is at the rear end of the computer, high, air goes out. This is 3-pin so should be replaced ... > It is unwise to power external devices from a computer > motherboard. ... but in the meantime I can connect it directly to CHA_FAN1, sure. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal
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| From | Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu> |
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| Date | 2021-08-22 23:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CP3vP-6Gx-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #239210 |
David Christensen wrote: > Some of my other machines offer additional governors -- > "powersave" and "userspace". Run "cpufreq-info -g" to see > what Debian offers on your motherboard. I did install and did set it to different governors but the fans seem to go on like the always do regardless? CPU and GPU temperatures seemed to be the same as well... -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal
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| From | David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-23 00:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CP3Pb-74q-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #239221 |
On 8/22/21 2:40 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: > David Christensen wrote: > >> Some of my other machines offer additional governors -- >> "powersave" and "userspace". Run "cpufreq-info -g" to see >> what Debian offers on your motherboard. > > I did install and did set it to different governors but the > fans seem to go on like the always do regardless? > > CPU and GPU temperatures seemed to be the same as well... I would figure out what Setup can do with the fans before messing with the Linux CPU governor. Install software to display temperatures, to display fan speeds, and to put the CPU under load. Get a camera, a notepad, a stopwatch, and collect data as you work through configuring the fans in Setup. David
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