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| Started by | Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> |
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| First post | 2021-08-10 16:20 +0200 |
| Last post | 2021-08-14 18:20 +0200 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 135 — 33 participants |
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All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-10 16:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-08-10 16:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-10 16:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 18:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-10 19:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 19:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-10 20:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 21:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-11 08:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 12:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-08-11 12:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-11 09:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 12:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-11 14:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 15:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 16:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-11 16:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 17:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 17:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-10 17:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-10 20:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 13:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 00:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-11 09:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 09:40 +0200
Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-11 09:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2021-08-11 09:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:10 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-08-11 12:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-11 14:40 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-08-12 17:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-12 18:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-12 19:20 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-12 19:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-12 21:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-11 13:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-11 15:40 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-11 13:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Tony van der Hoff <lists@vanderhoff.org> - 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-08-11 15:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-11 15:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-08-11 15:40 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-08-11 17:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2021-08-11 21:00 +0200
End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:00 +0200
Re: End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-11 10:10 +0200
Re: End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 20:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-12 21:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-12 21:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 00:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 01:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 12:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 12:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 13:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 01:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 20:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 21:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 23:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 07:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-08-13 07:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 08:20 +0200
OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 08:50 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 09:00 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 09:00 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-08-13 13:50 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 13:50 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-08-13 14:10 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 14:00 +0200
Re: Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-13 09:10 +0200
Re: Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 10:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 18:20 +0200
Meta: behavior on list Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-08-13 18:50 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-08-13 19:00 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-08-13 19:40 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 21:20 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-08-13 19:00 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 19:00 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 19:20 +0200
[OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-08-13 22:20 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-08-13 23:10 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 23:20 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-08-13 23:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 23:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-08-14 00:00 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-08-14 00:00 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-08-13 23:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Punked was [Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 23:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-08-14 01:20 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-08-14 01:50 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 02:30 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 07:10 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-14 08:30 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-08-14 14:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] 1149 (was: lonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-14 14:50 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] 1149 (was: lonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-14 15:20 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] CoCo and oldies (was : 1149 (was: lonk / was: Meta: behavior on list)) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 15:30 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-14 15:00 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-08-14 17:10 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 21:10 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 21:30 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 21:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2021-08-14 21:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-14 22:00 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 22:00 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 23:30 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 22:40 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-08-14 13:00 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-14 14:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-13 11:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 12:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 14:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 00:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 20:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-13 13:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 15:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-13 15:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 15:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-13 16:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-13 18:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 19:40 +0200
HP plat fair with drivers? Keith Bainbridge <ke1thrboz@gmx.com> - 2021-08-14 11:20 +0200
Re: HP plat fair with drivers? Kushal Kumaran <kushal@locationd.net> - 2021-08-14 18:20 +0200
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 14:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) |
| Message-ID | <CKVGx-2rg-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238495 |
On 2021-08-11, Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 04:02:14AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >>Seems like kindness or understanding on the flexibility or some rules >>are hard to understand. >> >>I've got told it is okay to act this way on this list because of the >>number of user who post without being subscriber. > > I'm not sure who told you that either, but they are wrong. The mailing > list rules say so (Nicolas quoted the relevant rule above and provided > the URI). > He was also quite wrong, which you fail to point out in all your admirably enthusiastic rectitude, because he himself violated the following rule: If you want to complain to someone who sent you a carbon copy when you did not ask for it, do it privately. I will also provide the URI for a more thorough perusal at your complete leisure, friend. https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ *L'arroseur arrosé*, I guess you'd say.
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| From | Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> |
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| Date | 2021-08-12 17:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) |
| Message-ID | <CLl7X-20e-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238515 |
On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 12:36:46PM -0000, Curt wrote: >He was also quite wrong, which you fail to point out in all your >admirably enthusiastic rectitude I don't have the spoons to police every poster to the list. I'm fairly sure I've gone a few rounds with Nicolas myself, in the past. If your position is that we should either pull up everyone on rules or nobody, I will have to disagree with you on grounds of pragmatism. With respect to Polyna, she's a relatively new poster (thus can be excused not knowing "how things work", or at least, "how things should work"), relatively prolific (so the impact of mistakes is larger), and I've made the effort to try and course-correct because I think ultimately she can continue to be a net positive on the list. -- Please do not CC me for listmail. 👱🏻 Jonathan Dowland ✎ jmtd@debian.org 🔗 https://jmtd.net
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2021-08-12 18:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) |
| Message-ID | <CLm41-2Bb-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238550 |
On 2021-08-12, Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 12:36:46PM -0000, Curt wrote: >>He was also quite wrong, which you fail to point out in all your >>admirably enthusiastic rectitude > > I don't have the spoons to police every poster to the list. I'm fairly Certainly. But you did volunteer to comment on a conflictual discussion between a mere pair of users, both of whom violated the Debian mailing list rules. Of these two violations, why you chose to call out the innocuous one, for which a reasonable explanation was given, however misguided, while ignoring the morally serious infraction (rendering a private matter public), is left as the traditional exercise.
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| From | Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> |
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| Date | 2021-08-12 19:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) |
| Message-ID | <CLmx3-30a-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238551 |
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Curt (12021-08-12): > Certainly. But you did volunteer to comment on a conflictual discussion > between a mere pair of users, both of whom violated the Debian mailing > list rules. Of these two violations, why you chose to call out the > innocuous one, for which a reasonable explanation was given, however > misguided, while ignoring the morally serious infraction (rendering a > private matter public), is left as the traditional exercise. Since you are trying to turn this discussion into a trial against me, I will clarify a few things. I had forgotten that the mailing-list rules state clearly to complain in private, and I have neglected this rule by mistake. I apologize for it. Nonetheless, there are a few details in your accusations that need to be set straight: - The two rules are on exactly the same level in. You choose to call one innocuous and the other morally serious. This is your judgement, not universal. What we can objectively say is that one came first, and was deliberate. - If you read carefully, I did not complain of being CCed. Anybody can forget to edit the headers before sending, I wound not have complained for so little. In fact, I did not complained, I advised: Ms Racicot-Summerside did not CC by mistake, she purposefully overrode a reply-to header, it is a mistake that can have more severe consequences than an extraneous CC, including replies getting lost or arriving where they should definitely not arrive. The purpose of my mail was not to complain, it was to advise. I will ask you, if you want to continue piling accusations and reproach over me, to at least have your facts straight. That being said, I am sure I will now remember that this kind of mail is to be sent in private, and I apologize again for forgetting and thus wasting everybody's time in a useless discussion that has already been too long. My next mail in this thread will be to give an account of the configuration of the printer, but it will have to wait a little that I have upgraded the relevant host to Bullseye. Regards, -- Nicolas George
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-12 19:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) |
| Message-ID | <CLn05-39T-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238552 |
On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 19:17:42 +0200, Nicolas George wrote: [...] > My next mail in this thread will be to give an account of the > configuration of the printer, but it will have to wait a little that I > have upgraded the relevant host to Bullseye. Personally, I look forward to that. Please try USB *and* network. May I suggest a new thread rather than a continuation of this one, which is concerned with the general suitability of a printer for driverless printing rather than the specifics for a particular printer. -- Brian.
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| From | Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-12 21:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) |
| Message-ID | <CLoSd-4gj-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238552 |
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Hi, On 2021-08-12 1:17 p.m., Nicolas George wrote: > Curt (12021-08-12): >> Certainly. But you did volunteer to comment on a conflictual discussion >> between a mere pair of users, both of whom violated the Debian mailing >> list rules. Of these two violations, why you chose to call out the >> innocuous one, for which a reasonable explanation was given, however >> misguided, while ignoring the morally serious infraction (rendering a >> private matter public), is left as the traditional exercise. > > Since you are trying to turn this discussion into a trial against me, I > will clarify a few things. > You are something rarely found in matter of not letting go. Still fighting against the wind. What about using your energy for something positive ? > I had forgotten that the mailing-list rules state clearly to complain in > private, and I have neglected this rule by mistake. I apologize for it. > > Nonetheless, there are a few details in your accusations that need to be > set straight: > > - The two rules are on exactly the same level in. You choose to call one > innocuous and the other morally serious. This is your judgement, not > universal. What we can objectively say is that one came first, and was > deliberate. > > - If you read carefully, I did not complain of being CCed. Anybody can > forget to edit the headers before sending, I wound not have complained > for so little. In fact, I did not complained, I advised: > Ms Racicot-Summerside did not CC by mistake, she purposefully overrode > a reply-to header, it is a mistake that can have more severe > consequences than an extraneous CC, including replies getting lost or > arriving where they should definitely not arrive. The purpose of my > mail was not to complain, it was to advise. > > I will ask you, if you want to continue piling accusations and reproach > over me, to at least have your facts straight. > > That being said, I am sure I will now remember that this kind of mail is > to be sent in private, and I apologize again for forgetting and thus > wasting everybody's time in a useless discussion that has already been > too long. May I remember yourself what you wrote here ? If it's been so for *too long* then maybe go out for a walk and take some fresh air. Or take a week away from the computer.... > > My next mail in this thread will be to give an account of the > configuration of the printer, but it will have to wait a little that I > have upgraded the relevant host to Bullseye. > > Regards, > -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 13:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) |
| Message-ID | <CKUAN-1Nk-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238484 |
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On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 07:25:40AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: [...] > This is a mailing list, one I've been subbed to for at least a decade. It > has rules, often violated without realizing it. You come roaring in here [...] Agreed. Less roaring would be... nicer. For all of us :-) Cheers - t
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) |
| Message-ID | <CKVwR-2mY-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238499 |
On 2021-08-11, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 07:25:40AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > [...] > >> This is a mailing list, one I've been subbed to for at least a decade. It >> has rules, often violated without realizing it. You come roaring in here > > Agreed. Less roaring would be... nicer. For all of us :-) My only objection is that the geometry, as they say in French, of who does and doesn't adhere to any given rule is totally variable. I recall vividly (and selectively, but memory can be like that) a quite long thread in which many of our venerable and often infuriatingly redundant dinosaurs participated concerning the Oberon mail client (a completely extraneous executable which hasn't been updated in 20 years, used by a single Canadian holdout somewhere in the outback). But nobody was chastised, warned, kill-filed (as far as we know), or any other freaking thing because of it. What's good for the goose must be good for the gander, or it's no good at all. > Cheers > - t >
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 15:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) |
| Message-ID | <CKWCC-3aZ-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238511 |
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On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 12:23:53PM -0000, Curt wrote: > On 2021-08-11, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 07:25:40AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > [...] > > > >> This is a mailing list, one I've been subbed to for at least a decade. It > >> has rules, often violated without realizing it. You come roaring in here > > > > Agreed. Less roaring would be... nicer. For all of us :-) > > My only objection is that the geometry, as they say in French, of who > does and doesn't adhere to any given rule is totally variable. Ah, géométrie variable :-) Yes, you are definitely right, especially wrt to a world-wide mailing list with as many subscribers as this. > I recall > vividly (and selectively, but memory can be like that) a quite long > thread in which many of our venerable and often infuriatingly redundant > dinosaurs participated concerning the Oberon mail client [...] Yes, I dimly remember. > What's good for the goose must be good for the gander, or it's no good > at all. It's difficult to set hard-and-fast rules. And soft rules do change over time. Generous amounts of Postel's principle seem to be in order -- or put another way: try to not assume malice. Try hard. Most of the time "chastising", "warning" or "killfiling" would seem too harsh to me. A friendly reminder, perhaps. I try to make a rule for me that only when someone is insulting someone else a limit is reached. And that I could be wrong in my perception, so I'm strongly dependent on others to correct that. What seems important to me is that, as cultural heterogeneity here seems to be high [1], Postel's principle applies even more. Cheers - t
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 13:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) |
| Message-ID | <CKUAN-1Nk-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238484 |
On Wednesday 11 August 2021 04:02:14 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-08-11 3:49 a.m., Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > > On 8/11/21, Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> wrote: > >> Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside (12021-08-11): > >>> Sorry if this annoyed yourself but a long time Debian user of this > >>> mailing list, who could also be considered "part of Debian" gave > >>> me the hint of replying directly to the user when it comes to this > >>> mailing list. > >> > >> That was wrong. Do not do it. > >> This is a mailing list, one I've been subbed to for at least a decade. It has rules, often violated without realizing it. You come roaring in here and have monopolized the conversation while actually supplying relatively little help to the list in terms of making their systems do what they want them to do, and do it securely. Speaking as one user who would like to see this list go back to being a place where howto questions are answered by folks with intimate knowledge of how its done, an educational resource, even having healthy arguments about methods because we are social creatures and enjoy our interactions as a method of getting acquainted with our fellow man, something I personally am in favor of, I am very close to writing a .procmailrc rule, something I haven't resorted to in several years, that will send your contentious, usually unhelpful emails to /dev/null. Debian is about choice Polyna. That is mine. Quit monopolizing the conversation unless you are helping the user SOLVE his/her problem. > >> "When replying to messages on the mailing list, do not send a > >> carbon copy (CC) to the original poster unless they explicitly > >> request to be copied." > >> > >> https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ > >> > >>> I am totally aware of the use of headers. I simply hit *reply* in > >>> my mail client. > >> > >> Either you did something else for my e-mail or your mail client is > >> bogus. I specifically configured my headers to avoid a double > >> reply, the same way most mailing-lists are configured to do > >> automatically. > > > > Gmail handled it properly just now... > > Well haven't you read what he said ? > Gmail must be *wrong* because Nicolas George said "That was wrong". > > So this must be so bad and so painful to receive a message in his > mailbox. > > Probably he doesn't know what's a forward or alias mailbox that you > can destroy when tired of receiving email or simply ignoring a > message. > > I delete at least 20 unwanted message a day, some are list that I'm > registered to but not all messages are useful. And I don't make a case > out of it. > > As I said in my message, I don't normally answer directly to messages > but when it is a first time I exchange with a user, as I don't know if > he's on the list or not (people can post without being registered). > Then I'll send a CC message. > > Seems like kindness or understanding on the flexibility or some rules > are hard to understand. > > I've got told it is okay to act this way on this list because of the > number of user who post without being subscriber. > > I don't remember the name but it is the person who write the FAQ and > post monthly reminder of the rules on this list. So I take his words > as pretty much good. > > > Cindy :) Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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| From | Tony van der Hoff <lists@vanderhoff.org> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) |
| Message-ID | <CKVwR-2mY-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238500 |
On 11/08/2021 12:25, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 11 August 2021 04:02:14 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: > Debian is about choice Polyna. That is mine. Quit monopolizing the > conversation unless you are helping the user SOLVE his/her problem. > +1 -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England |
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| From | Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 15:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) |
| Message-ID | <CKWsW-36E-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238512 |
On 8/11/21 5:02 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > On 11/08/2021 12:25, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Wednesday 11 August 2021 04:02:14 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside >> wrote: > >> Debian is about choice Polyna. That is mine. Quit monopolizing the >> conversation unless you are helping the user SOLVE his/her problem. >> > +1 > +1
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 15:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) |
| Message-ID | <CKWMh-3fq-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238518 |
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On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 06:07:21AM -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote: > > On 8/11/21 5:02 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > > > >On 11/08/2021 12:25, Gene Heskett wrote: > >>On Wednesday 11 August 2021 04:02:14 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > >>wrote: > > > >>Debian is about choice Polyna. That is mine. Quit monopolizing the > >>conversation unless you are helping the user SOLVE his/her problem. > >> > >+1 > > > +1 -1 While I agreed with Gene's "roaring" characterisation, Polina /is/ helpful in her posts, too. "Publically killfiling" bears a hostility which, to me, seems unwarranted (and unnecessary). And jumping with lots of "+1" on that, well. Not /my/ cup of tea. Cheers - t
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| From | Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 15:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) |
| Message-ID | <CKWCC-3aZ-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238500 |
Gene Heskett wrote: > Speaking as one user who would like to see this list go back to being a > place where howto questions are answered by folks with intimate > knowledge of how its done, an educational resource, even having healthy > arguments about methods because we are social creatures and enjoy our > interactions as a method of getting acquainted with our fellow man, > something I personally am in favor of, I am very close to writing > a .procmailrc rule, something I haven't resorted to in several years, > that will send your contentious, usually unhelpful emails to /dev/null. May I suggest changing from procmail to the Courier maildrop filter system? It doesn't require any other part of Courier to be installed except an auth library, which apt will bring in. A typical procmail recipe is... aggravating to interpret unless you've been working with it recently. A mailfilter rule can be read and understood and rewritten quite easily by someone who hasn't looked at it in years: if (/^From:.*debian@polynamaude.com.*/:h) to /home/dsr/Maildir/.spam/ The only weird bit in there is the :h option, which means to only look in headers, don't bother with the body. apt show maildrop -dsr-
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| From | Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 17:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) |
| Message-ID | <CKYEp-4nx-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238500 |
On Wed, 11 Aug 2021 07:25:40 -0400 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote: > Speaking as one user who would like to see this list go back to being > a place where howto questions are answered by folks with intimate > knowledge of how its done, an educational resource, ... Hear, hear! Well and timely said, Gene. The signal to noise ratio is getting pretty bad around here. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
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| From | Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 21:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) |
| Message-ID | <CL1Ci-67h-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238531 |
On Wed, 11 Aug 2021, Charles Curley wrote: > The signal to noise ratio is getting pretty bad around here. "Around here?" Every poster brings to the list a bit of the world-at-large as they are experiencing it. This occurs quite outside of conscious control. It is pre-reflective behaviour. Can't be helped but then again do we want to stamp out our connection to um reality, if you'll pardon the expression? It follows us through the door when we enter. My $0.05. I'll just leave quietly now if that's ok with everybody. -- ...a society must incorporate the rationalizing power symbolized by scientific knowledge, for otherwise it will be a fatally split society- split between a powerful elite and the disenfranchised mass. To this we add now: an irrational elite is the most dangerous of all. Holton, Gerald. 1985. On the Integrity of Science: The Issues Since Bronowski. Leonardo 18 (4), Special Issue: Jacob Bronowski: A Retrospective (1985): 229-232.
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| From | Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 10:00 +0200 |
| Subject | End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] |
| Message-ID | <CKRjz-88a-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238480 |
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Hi, On 2021-08-11 3:41 a.m., Nicolas George wrote: > Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside (12021-08-11): >> Sorry if this annoyed yourself but a long time Debian user of this >> mailing list, who could also be considered "part of Debian" gave me the >> hint of replying directly to the user when it comes to this mailing list. > > That was wrong. Do not do it. > Great for you, I find it rude and offensive. You may think it's wrong, that your opinion. Now it's okay, go on and be assured that I won't answer any of your message in the end. If it's too hard for you to understand that I did it once to your user as I've never exchanged message with you before. So I didn't know if you were on the mailing list. Now I got it for yourself. And got a good idea of the type of reaction you do with all the kindness toward people who may have a different view or action than you do. Maybe in your world rules between human are the same as the ones for a firewall but this ain't the case. We, as human, have something call judgement. > "When replying to messages on the mailing list, do not send a carbon > copy (CC) to the original poster unless they explicitly request to be > copied." > > https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ > I am also totally aware of this rule and if you read my last message, you'll notice that I specified conditions and reason why I did so. When I know that a user is now on the mailing list, I'll simply hit "reply list". Do I need to get back the thread where I was told it's appropriate for this list ? And by someone who I'll consider having much more authority than you could. As for myself, I've never exchanged with you. >> I am totally aware of the use of headers. I simply hit *reply* in my >> mail client. > > Either you did something else for my e-mail or your mail client is > bogus. I specifically configured my headers to avoid a double reply, the > same way most mailing-lists are configured to do automatically. > My email client is not bogus and you don't seem to understand well. The first message I've answered you was sent in CC, that's all. If you got double reply, then just take a calculator and do the following. Press 1 (this is for the direct reply) Press *+* (we are adding) Press 1 (this is for the copy of the message on the mailing list) Press *=* (we want the result) Play some nice Olympic anthem And you'll see *2* this also means *double* -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
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| From | Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 10:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] |
| Message-ID | <CKRtg-8qT-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238482 |
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Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside (12021-08-11): > Great for you, I find it rude and offensive. > > You may think it's wrong I did not THINK it is wron, I quoted to you the rules of this mailing that state explicitly it is wrong. > The first message I've answered you was sent in CC, that's all. So you DID override the reply-to header that I explicitly placed. You not only trampled the rules of this mailing-list, you also showed a gross misunderstanding of how e-mail work. Here, have the last word. Have all the last words for all I care. -- Nicolas George
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| From | Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 10:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] |
| Message-ID | <CKRCV-8tN-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238485 |
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Hi, On 2021-08-11 4:01 a.m., Nicolas George wrote: > Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside (12021-08-11): >> Great for you, I find it rude and offensive. >> >> You may think it's wrong > > I did not THINK it is wron, I quoted to you the rules of this mailing > that state explicitly it is wrong. > Rules don't cover all use case of life. And must be applied with some judgements. >> The first message I've answered you was sent in CC, that's all. > > So you DID override the reply-to header that I explicitly placed. You > not only trampled the rules of this mailing-list, you also showed a > gross misunderstanding of how e-mail work. > I know how email work and maybe even better than you do. What I did was chosen and done on purpose. And I did explain to you why. Which seem to be hard to understand. Yes I did manually choose to press the button marked *reply* instead of *reply list* and took the time to add *debian-user* as CC. This was a deliberated choice. Is your time so precious it's too much that seeing twice the same message cost you that much ? I've written in plain English that I did once for yourself and this won't be repeated again. What do you ask for more ? That I say "Sorry I did something wrong" ? Because no I didn't. In the last 3 months there was two persons for who I answered by CC and said thanks when I explained why. They we're expecting the answer to read on the web message archive. I told them to subscribe and easier it will be for them. Not because you are a *super geek* with the best knowledge that everyone else has it. And for these person, I do a first CC, like it or not. If I see the person answer back to my personal email then I explain, if she answer on the list then I simply go on with *reply list*. For the third time, hope you get it. > Here, have the last word. Have all the last words for all I care. > Sincerely, with much needed love -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 20:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CL0PT-5Rk-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238477 |
On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 09:13:36 +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside (12021-08-10): > > It's the support of MOPRIA. > > Even if it's mostly made for Android, what it does is offer a discovery > > and printing protocol compatible with all CUPS system (will publish IP > > endpoint that support PostScript, PCL and PDF, all depending on the > > printer but at least one of them). Regarding the scanner, it will > > support sending by email thru the use of a SMTP server account. > > Thanks for the pointer. There is a little information about it on the > Debian websites, but very little. Wait and see. Why should there be any information about Mopria on Debian websites? Mopria is not a standards organiation. It is mainly a marketing organisation that promotes printing and scanning with an Android phone over WiFi. It is a closed (members-only) organization. A single device is the focus of their attentions. Nothing wrong with that. A Mopria certified printer uses IPP Everywhere for infrastructure networks. IPP Everywhere *is* a printing standard and documented quite well on our wiki. >From my records, the device you intend buying is Mopria certified. This isn't of any significance when printing from, say, Firefox because the printing system is set up to use AirPrint's Apple raster by default. In other words, Mopria certification doesn't give you anything. I cannot imagine why it has been given such prominence. We're getting complicated. Just buy the damn printer and use it :). > PS: there was a "Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org" header in the > mail you were replying to. In the future, please do not override > reply-to headers, they are there for a reason. I know from the past that you find this behaviour aggravating. I wish you had refrained from complaining in this thread. I have nothing else to say on the matter. -- Brian.
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