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| Started by | Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> |
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| First post | 2021-08-10 16:20 +0200 |
| Last post | 2021-08-14 18:20 +0200 |
| Articles | 15 on this page of 135 — 33 participants |
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All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-10 16:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-08-10 16:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-10 16:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 18:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-10 19:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 19:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-10 20:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 21:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-11 08:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 12:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-08-11 12:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-11 09:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 12:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-11 14:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 15:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 16:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-11 16:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 17:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 17:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-10 17:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-10 20:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 13:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 00:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-11 09:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 09:40 +0200
Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-11 09:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2021-08-11 09:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:10 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-08-11 12:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-11 14:40 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-08-12 17:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-12 18:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-12 19:20 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-12 19:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-12 21:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-11 13:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-11 15:40 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-11 13:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Tony van der Hoff <lists@vanderhoff.org> - 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-08-11 15:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-11 15:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-08-11 15:40 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-08-11 17:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2021-08-11 21:00 +0200
End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:00 +0200
Re: End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-11 10:10 +0200
Re: End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 20:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-12 21:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-12 21:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 00:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 01:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 12:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 12:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 13:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 01:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 20:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 21:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 23:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 07:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-08-13 07:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 08:20 +0200
OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 08:50 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 09:00 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 09:00 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-08-13 13:50 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 13:50 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-08-13 14:10 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 14:00 +0200
Re: Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-13 09:10 +0200
Re: Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 10:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 18:20 +0200
Meta: behavior on list Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-08-13 18:50 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-08-13 19:00 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-08-13 19:40 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 21:20 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-08-13 19:00 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 19:00 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 19:20 +0200
[OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-08-13 22:20 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-08-13 23:10 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 23:20 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-08-13 23:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 23:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-08-14 00:00 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-08-14 00:00 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-08-13 23:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Punked was [Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 23:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-08-14 01:20 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-08-14 01:50 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 02:30 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 07:10 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-14 08:30 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-08-14 14:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] 1149 (was: lonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-14 14:50 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] 1149 (was: lonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-14 15:20 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] CoCo and oldies (was : 1149 (was: lonk / was: Meta: behavior on list)) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 15:30 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-14 15:00 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-08-14 17:10 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 21:10 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 21:30 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 21:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2021-08-14 21:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-14 22:00 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 22:00 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 23:30 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 22:40 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-08-14 13:00 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-14 14:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-13 11:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 12:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 14:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 00:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 20:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-13 13:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 15:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-13 15:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 15:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-13 16:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-13 18:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 19:40 +0200
HP plat fair with drivers? Keith Bainbridge <ke1thrboz@gmx.com> - 2021-08-14 11:20 +0200
Re: HP plat fair with drivers? Kushal Kumaran <kushal@locationd.net> - 2021-08-14 18:20 +0200
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2021-08-14 14:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Meta: behavior on list |
| Message-ID | <CM0E9-3ul-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238628 |
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On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 10:59:04AM +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: [...] > Be considerate to each other. Be polite - be helpful. [...] Thanks, Andrew :) > Trying to make Debian a better place starts one post at a time. That's one > of the reasons why I volunteer for the Debian community team. ...and thanks for that. > [And yes, this can readily be seen as pious politcal correctness liberal > bullshit and irrelevant and you can all ignore it - until the time when it > suddenly becomes important to you on an issue you care about - or you > appreciate someone more for trying to help you when you're down.] Paradoxically, this seems to be the place some people have their crumple buttons. I have no ready solution for that, just the observation that this seems like some strange twin of Gödel's incompleteness theorem :-/ > And now back to tech stuff - and a release to get out :) Yes. And thanks, again. Cheers - t
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 11:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CLBw5-49m-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238559 |
On 2021-08-12, Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote: > >> Possibility to send the data in PDF format directly (or JPG) >> Auto discovery of the services offered thru "Bonjour". > > Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that > a Mopria certified device should be ca[able of accepting PDF as a PDL > in addition to PWG raster and PCLm. > The Page Description Languages (PDLs) currently supported by Mopria Alliance include: PDF (from Adobe), PCL-m (from the Wi-Fi Alliance) and PWG Raster (from the Printer Working Group standards body). Printer manufacturers must support one of these PDLs to be compliant with the current Mopria Alliance standard. https://app.mopria.org/developer-faqs
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 12:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CLCsd-4SY-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238577 |
On Fri 13 Aug 2021 at 09:10:06 -0000, Curt wrote: > On 2021-08-12, Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote: > > > >> Possibility to send the data in PDF format directly (or JPG) > >> Auto discovery of the services offered thru "Bonjour". > > > > Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that > > a Mopria certified device should be ca[able of accepting PDF as a PDL > > in addition to PWG raster and PCLm. > > > > > The Page Description Languages (PDLs) currently supported by Mopria > Alliance include: PDF (from Adobe), PCL-m (from the Wi-Fi Alliance) and > PWG Raster (from the Printer Working Group standards body). Printer > manufacturers must support one of these PDLs to be compliant with the > current Mopria Alliance standard. > > https://app.mopria.org/developer-faqs Thank you, Curt. The web page source indicates 2018 as a possible date of publication. This is more up-to-date than https://mopria.org/PDFs/Mopria_Whitepaper_092313.pdf -- Brian.
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-14 14:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CM0NP-3xF-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238466 |
On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 18:29:02 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: [...] > I'm using a Xerox B205 MFC and it's fully supported. Yes it's laser but > the reason I am writing this message regard something else. > > It's the support of MOPRIA. Looks like an idea worth examining. Let's look at what's on the tin and inside it. Accordin to https://mopria.org/certified-products#company30 my ENVY 4502 is a Mopria-certified product. It is on a managed WiFi network Part of its TXT record shows: pdl=application/vnd.hp-PCL,image/jpeg,application/PCLm,image/urf application/PCLm is acceptable to a Mopria. (I think it is meant to used with Wi-Fi Direct and not a managed WiFi network, but we'll put that on one side because a more pressing issue is about to emerge). CUPS will give the printer destination with brian@desktop:~$ lpstat -e ENVY4500 and generate a PPD with brian@desktop:~$ lpoptions -p ENVY4500 -l Examine the PPD with brian@desktop:~# grep "cupsFilter2" /etc/cups/ppd/ENVY4500.ppd *cupsFilter2: "image/jpeg image/jpeg 0 -" *cupsFilter2: "image/urf image/urf 100 -" CUPS will only process jpeg and Apple raster (AirPrint). The filtering system *must* send either of these two MIME types for printing to take place. Having Mopria on the box isn't any indication that Driverless Printing is possible with this printer. A much better indication is looking for AirPrint-capabilty. CUPS will accept and process image/urf. All modern printers have an AirPrint service that is known to work splenedidly with the Debian printing system. -- Brian.
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| From | Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 00:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CKIzD-1Wh-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238427 |
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Hi, On 2021-08-10 10:14 a.m., Nicolas George wrote: > Hi. > > We need to replace an all-in-one printer-scanner, a HP Deskjet 3054A. > > Based on past experience, I am favoring HP, because AFAIK they mostly > play fair about Libre drivers, and their ink is too expensive but not > insanely so. The HP OfficeJet 8012 seems the most interesting available > at my preferred vendor (LDLC). > > As far as I can see, it would be supported through driverless printing > and sane-hpaio. Am I mistaken? > > The vendor has other models has other models by Epson, Canon and > Brother. I remember these brands have caused trouble to users of Libre > software, unlike HP who develops its own Libre tools. I want to buy > according to my ethics. Has one of them turned its policy around enough > to warrant considering it? > > Is there any other remark you may want to do about it? > I'll add, here's the Mopria specs https://mopria.org/spec-download > (If your remark is along the lines: "not inkjet, laser" or "not > all-in-one, separate devices", save your time, I have already heard the > arguments and I know the constraints I am working with.) > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, > -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 20:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CL19g-5XY-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238467 |
On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 18:31:45 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-08-10 10:14 a.m., Nicolas George wrote: > > Hi. > > > > We need to replace an all-in-one printer-scanner, a HP Deskjet 3054A. > > > > Based on past experience, I am favoring HP, because AFAIK they mostly > > play fair about Libre drivers, and their ink is too expensive but not > > insanely so. The HP OfficeJet 8012 seems the most interesting available > > at my preferred vendor (LDLC). > > > > As far as I can see, it would be supported through driverless printing > > and sane-hpaio. Am I mistaken? > > > > The vendor has other models has other models by Epson, Canon and > > Brother. I remember these brands have caused trouble to users of Libre > > software, unlike HP who develops its own Libre tools. I want to buy > > according to my ethics. Has one of them turned its policy around enough > > to warrant considering it? > > > > Is there any other remark you may want to do about it? > > > I'll add, here's the Mopria specs > https://mopria.org/spec-download These are not the Mopria specs. Does Mopria have specs? The document relates to scanning with the eSCL protocol. This an Apple (and/or HP) protocol. Will we ever know who was involved in its inception? -- Brian. -- Brian
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| From | Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 13:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CLDod-5sb-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238427 |
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Hi. We finally found an HP DeskJet 2723e at a closer vendor; in terms of price and bulk it was much closer to to or needs the one we had and the cat broke. I first set it up on wifi only. I used the proprietary HP application on my phone, it used bluetooth to give the wifi password to the printer. I confirmed with the router it was connected and set up a static DHCP lease. After that, I could connect to the printer using <https://10.0.1.17:631/>. Setting up printing was as easy as: sudo lpadmin -p DeskJet_2723e -v http://10.0.1.17:631/ -E -m everywhere (by the way, "driverless" is a nice advertisement gimmick, but really it is a misnomer for an unified driver) and printing a test page worked right away. I could also scan using the web interface. SANE offered a little more resistance tough. But first I had to re-configure it for another wifi network. This time I tried doing it with USB. Installing ipp-usb and plugging the printer starts a ipp-usb.service and a web server on <http://localhost:60000/> where I could change the wifi settings. The web-server seems extremenly bogus, I had to reload the page numerous times before getting something workable. Once the printer connected to its final network, I tried SANE seriously. To let SANE auto-detect the device, I had to: sudo hp-setup -i 10.0.1.17 to let it create a second queue "hp:/net/DeskJet_2700_series?ip=10.0.1.17". But it still refused to work. For some reason, scanimage sends its useful messages to syslog instead of stderr. I had: unable to load library libm.so: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so: invalid ELF header (/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so is a ld script, not meant for dynamic loading), which seems to be just random incompetence with no actual consequence, and: unable to open /var/lib/hp/hplip.state: No such file or directory and, if I tried to populate this file based on examples found on the web: unable to load library /usr/share/hplip/scan/plugins/bb_escl.so: /usr/share/hplip/scan/plugins/bb_escl.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory As it happens, it means the libsane-hpaio requires a binary non-Libre plugin for this printer. It can be downloaded with: sudo hp-plugin -g It installs files in /usr/share/hplip/scan/plugins/. After that: scanimage -h -d 'hpaio:/net/DeskJet_2700_series?ip=10.0.1.17' worked, as did actual scanning and Gimp's GUI. I am not very satisfied with the use of a binary plugin, but at least it works. Regards, -- Nicolas George
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 15:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CLFgm-6Gf-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238582 |
On Fri 13 Aug 2021 at 13:10:46 +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > Hi. > > We finally found an HP DeskJet 2723e at a closer vendor; in terms of > price and bulk it was much closer to to or needs the one we had and the > cat broke. > > I first set it up on wifi only. I used the proprietary HP application on > my phone, it used bluetooth to give the wifi password to the printer. I > confirmed with the router it was connected and set up a static DHCP > lease. Did you read the Release Notes for Bullseye? (No advice on cat controls, though :) ). > After that, I could connect to the printer using > <https://10.0.1.17:631/>. > > Setting up printing was as easy as: > > sudo lpadmin -p DeskJet_2723e -v http://10.0.1.17:631/ -E -m everywhere > > (by the way, "driverless" is a nice advertisement gimmick, but really it > is a misnomer for an unified driver) and printing a test page worked > right away. The developers of our printing system would be more likely to view driverless printing to be as outlined at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg00548.html Also, the printing system does not have a unified driver. The drivers used depend on the job, but they will always produce an outcome that is suitable to be sent to the printer, irrespective of the make or model of printer. Contrast that with the pre-buster situation. The need for non-free vendor drivers has been eliminated. > I could also scan using the web interface. SANE offered a little more > resistance tough. > > But first I had to re-configure it for another wifi network. This time I > tried doing it with USB. > > Installing ipp-usb and plugging the printer starts a ipp-usb.service and I am surprised you had to install ipp-usb. It is a Recommends: of cups-daemon. > a web server on <http://localhost:60000/> where I could change the wifi > settings. The web-server seems extremenly bogus, I had to reload the > page numerous times before getting something workable. > > Once the printer connected to its final network, I tried SANE seriously. > > To let SANE auto-detect the device, I had to: > > sudo hp-setup -i 10.0.1.17 > > to let it create a second queue > "hp:/net/DeskJet_2700_series?ip=10.0.1.17". But it still refused to > work. > > For some reason, scanimage sends its useful messages to syslog instead > of stderr. > > I had: > > unable to load library libm.so: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so: invalid ELF header > > (/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so is a ld script, not meant for dynamic > loading), which seems to be just random incompetence with no actual > consequence, and: > > unable to open /var/lib/hp/hplip.state: No such file or directory > > and, if I tried to populate this file based on examples found on the > web: > > unable to load library /usr/share/hplip/scan/plugins/bb_escl.so: /usr/share/hplip/scan/plugins/bb_escl.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory > > As it happens, it means the libsane-hpaio requires a binary non-Libre > plugin for this printer. It can be downloaded with: > > sudo hp-plugin -g > > It installs files in /usr/share/hplip/scan/plugins/. > > After that: > > scanimage -h -d 'hpaio:/net/DeskJet_2700_series?ip=10.0.1.17' > > worked, as did actual scanning and Gimp's GUI. > > I am not very satisfied with the use of a binary plugin, but at least it > works. Did I not recommend sane-airscan earlier in this thread? If not apt install sane-airscan Non-free plugins dispensed with at a stroke. Uninstall HPLIP while you are at it. It is completely unneeded. -- Brian.
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| From | Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 15:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CLFq2-6Kk-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238591 |
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Brian (12021-08-13): > Did you read the Release Notes for Bullseye? (No advice on cat controls, > though :) ). Enough to upgrade, but I do not know what it has to do with connecting a printer to an OpenWRT router. > Also, the printing system does not have a unified driver. The drivers > used depend on the job, but they will always produce an outcome that > is suitable to be sent to the printer, irrespective of the make or > model of printer. Contrast that with the pre-buster situation. The > need for non-free vendor drivers has been eliminated. It is free and it is the same driver for all brands and models, "driverless" is still a driver, just like usb-storage is a driver. > I am surprised you had to install ipp-usb. It is a Recommends: of > cups-daemon. APT::Install-Recommends 0; is one of the first dozen things I do to make a new Debian instable suitable for my tastes. > Did I not recommend sane-airscan earlier in this thread? I forgot. I will check when the printer is plugged again. Regards, -- Nicolas George
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 15:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CLFJn-6S2-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238592 |
On Fri 13 Aug 2021 at 15:26:03 +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > Brian (12021-08-13): > > Did you read the Release Notes for Bullseye? (No advice on cat controls, > > though :) ). > > Enough to upgrade, but I do not know what it has to do with connecting a > printer to an OpenWRT router. There is advice on printing and scanning there. > > Also, the printing system does not have a unified driver. The drivers > > used depend on the job, but they will always produce an outcome that > > is suitable to be sent to the printer, irrespective of the make or > > model of printer. Contrast that with the pre-buster situation. The > > need for non-free vendor drivers has been eliminated. > > It is free and it is the same driver for all brands and models, > "driverless" is still a driver, just like usb-storage is a driver. Consider a driverless car. It is not really driverless in the sense you espouse. Otherwise it would not be going anywhere, would it? >From the point of view of the passengers and the Authorities there isn't a human driver. > > I am surprised you had to install ipp-usb. It is a Recommends: of > > cups-daemon. > > APT::Install-Recommends 0; > > is one of the first dozen things I do to make a new Debian instable > suitable for my tastes. Fine when the user knows what he is doing but hopefully this will not be common practice with most users. > > Did I not recommend sane-airscan earlier in this thread? > > I forgot. I will check when the printer is plugged again. You would be doing yourself a favour. -- Brian.
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| From | Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 16:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CLFT3-6VG-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238593 |
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Brian (12021-08-13): > Consider a driverless car. It is not really driverless in the sense > you espouse. Otherwise it would not be going anywhere, would it? > From the point of view of the passengers and the Authorities there > isn't a human driver. Exactly. "Driverless" uses the word "driver" as the layperson understands it: some specific piece of software you have to install in order to get a new device to work. In that sense, a brand new video controller requires a driver, but not a mouse, a USB storage stick or 5.1 speakers. I used the word "driver" in the technical sense: the piece of code in the operating system (in the widest possible sense) that makes it possible to use the device. In that sense a mouse requires the driver in hid-generic.ko, a USB storage stick requires the driver in usb-storage.ko, but speakers connected with a jack or RCA plug do not (the audio controller does, though, but it does whether there are speakers connected or not). So much bits wasted for a small remark I made between parentheses. Regards, -- Nicolas George
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 18:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CLHUS-8m4-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238594 |
On 2021-08-13, Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> wrote: > > I used the word "driver" in the technical sense: the piece of code in > the operating system (in the widest possible sense) that makes it > possible to use the device. In that sense a mouse requires the driver in But here the "driver," in your sense of the word, is "in" the printing device, not the OS, is it not? At any rate, driverless for the purposes of this discussion signifies that the *client* need install no software or data specific to a compliant printer.
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 19:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CLJjX-Bp-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238598 |
On Fri 13 Aug 2021 at 16:05:15 -0000, Curt wrote: > On 2021-08-13, Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> wrote: > > > > I used the word "driver" in the technical sense: the piece of code in > > the operating system (in the widest possible sense) that makes it > > possible to use the device. In that sense a mouse requires the driver in > > But here the "driver," in your sense of the word, is "in" the printing > device, not the OS, is it not? At any rate, driverless for the purposes > of this discussion signifies that the *client* need install no software > or data specific to a compliant printer. Succinct and in keeping with what the PWG (Printer Working Group) and CUPS and cups-filters developers would understan by the term. Anyone is free to suggest what they consider is a better one. Ultimately, the present phrase is expressive, but it does not matter. In Debian 11 we have freed ourselves from reliance on non-free vendor drivers and plugins for printing and scanning. Nicolas George has demonstrated that with the installation of his new printer. -- Brian. Wasting bits and bandwidth since 1994. (Signature inspired by a grateful user's comment).
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| From | Keith Bainbridge <ke1thrboz@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-14 11:20 +0200 |
| Subject | HP plat fair with drivers? |
| Message-ID | <CLXZD-1EG-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238427 |
On 11/8/21 00:14, Nicolas George wrote: > Based on past experience, I am favoring HP, because AFAIK they mostly > play fair about Libre drivers Good afternoon I'd like to agree that HP plays fair with drivers. A friend bought a HP laptop last year. His favoured distro is Mint(bunt) which I have found provided good support for ALL wifi. But he had to buy a plug-in USB dongle wifi. Admittedly, we haven't been able to meet face to face long enough to try harder with him. I suggested he try a new Mint Edge complete with kernel 5.11, but he can't find his toy. I reckon my wifi is working much better than ever with the 5.11 kernel I sat listening to Keith Packard at linux.conf.au 2016, quite impressed with his support for OSS in general. Pity about this wifi card in his laptop. And no, I don't know model details. It was pretty cheap. -- All the best Keith Bainbridge keith.bainbridge.3216@gmail.com
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| From | Kushal Kumaran <kushal@locationd.net> |
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| Date | 2021-08-14 18:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: HP plat fair with drivers? |
| Message-ID | <CM4y5-6ce-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238625 |
On Sat, Aug 14 2021 at 07:02:31 PM, Keith Bainbridge <ke1thrboz@gmx.com> wrote: > On 11/8/21 00:14, Nicolas George wrote: >> Based on past experience, I am favoring HP, because AFAIK they mostly >> play fair about Libre drivers > > Good afternoon > > I'd like to agree that HP plays fair with drivers. > > A friend bought a HP laptop last year. His favoured distro is Mint(bunt) > which I have found provided good support for ALL wifi. But he had to > buy a plug-in USB dongle wifi. > > Admittedly, we haven't been able to meet face to face long enough to try > harder with him. I suggested he try a new Mint Edge complete with > kernel 5.11, but he can't find his toy. I reckon my wifi is working > much better than ever with the 5.11 kernel > > > I sat listening to Keith Packard at linux.conf.au 2016, quite impressed > with his support for OSS in general. Pity about this wifi card in his > laptop. And no, I don't know model details. It was pretty cheap. > Keith Packard is not the "Packard" from Hewlett-Packard. The "Packard" in HP was David Packard, and the company was started well before the current set of hackers were born. Keith Packard, despite his accomplishments, probably has no influence on the wifi cards in HP laptops. -- regards, kushal
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