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| Started by | Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> |
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| First post | 2021-08-10 16:20 +0200 |
| Last post | 2021-08-14 18:20 +0200 |
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All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-10 16:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-08-10 16:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-10 16:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 18:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-10 19:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 19:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-10 20:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 21:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-11 08:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 12:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-08-11 12:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-11 09:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 12:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-11 14:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 15:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 16:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-11 16:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 17:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 17:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-10 17:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-10 20:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 13:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 00:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-11 09:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 09:40 +0200
Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-11 09:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2021-08-11 09:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:10 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-08-11 12:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-11 14:40 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-08-12 17:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-12 18:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-12 19:20 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-12 19:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-12 21:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-11 13:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-11 15:40 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-11 13:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Tony van der Hoff <lists@vanderhoff.org> - 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-08-11 15:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-11 15:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-08-11 15:40 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-08-11 17:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2021-08-11 21:00 +0200
End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:00 +0200
Re: End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-11 10:10 +0200
Re: End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 20:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-12 21:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-12 21:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 00:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 01:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 12:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 12:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 13:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 01:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 20:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 21:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 23:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 07:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-08-13 07:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 08:20 +0200
OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 08:50 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 09:00 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 09:00 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-08-13 13:50 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 13:50 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-08-13 14:10 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 14:00 +0200
Re: Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-13 09:10 +0200
Re: Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 10:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 18:20 +0200
Meta: behavior on list Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-08-13 18:50 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-08-13 19:00 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-08-13 19:40 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 21:20 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-08-13 19:00 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 19:00 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 19:20 +0200
[OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-08-13 22:20 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-08-13 23:10 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 23:20 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-08-13 23:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 23:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-08-14 00:00 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-08-14 00:00 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-08-13 23:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Punked was [Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 23:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-08-14 01:20 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-08-14 01:50 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 02:30 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 07:10 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-14 08:30 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-08-14 14:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] 1149 (was: lonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-14 14:50 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] 1149 (was: lonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-14 15:20 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] CoCo and oldies (was : 1149 (was: lonk / was: Meta: behavior on list)) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 15:30 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-14 15:00 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-08-14 17:10 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 21:10 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 21:30 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 21:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2021-08-14 21:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-14 22:00 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 22:00 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 23:30 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 22:40 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-08-14 13:00 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-14 14:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-13 11:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 12:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 14:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 00:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 20:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-13 13:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 15:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-13 15:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 15:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-13 16:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-13 18:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 19:40 +0200
HP plat fair with drivers? Keith Bainbridge <ke1thrboz@gmx.com> - 2021-08-14 11:20 +0200
Re: HP plat fair with drivers? Kushal Kumaran <kushal@locationd.net> - 2021-08-14 18:20 +0200
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-12 21:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CLoyS-49S-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238466 |
On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 18:29:02 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: [...] > I'm using a Xerox B205 MFC and it's fully supported. Yes it's laser but > the reason I am writing this message regard something else. > > It's the support of MOPRIA. > Even if it's mostly made for Android, what it does is offer a discovery > and printing protocol compatible with all CUPS system (will publish IP > endpoint that support PostScript, PCL and PDF, all depending on the > printer but at least one of them). Regarding the scanner, it will > support sending by email thru the use of a SMTP server account. > > So I think we can say these devices will be supported by Linux (and Debian). I was a bit taken aback when you advocated Mopria as a criterion for determining whether a printer could be operated driverlessly on Debian. But is it the *best* criterion? I've now got my head around it. Surely, it is better looking for AirPrint support in the printer specs to determine the driverless capabilities of printer? -- Brian
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| From | Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-12 21:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CLoIx-4d1-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238555 |
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Hi, On 2021-08-12 3:22 p.m., Brian wrote: > On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 18:29:02 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > [...] > >> I'm using a Xerox B205 MFC and it's fully supported. Yes it's laser but >> the reason I am writing this message regard something else. >> >> It's the support of MOPRIA. >> Even if it's mostly made for Android, what it does is offer a discovery >> and printing protocol compatible with all CUPS system (will publish IP >> endpoint that support PostScript, PCL and PDF, all depending on the >> printer but at least one of them). Regarding the scanner, it will >> support sending by email thru the use of a SMTP server account. >> >> So I think we can say these devices will be supported by Linux (and Debian). > > I was a bit taken aback when you advocated Mopria as a criterion for > determining whether a printer could be operated driverlessly on Debian. > But is it the *best* criterion? > > I've now got my head around it. > > Surely, it is better looking for AirPrint support in the printer specs > to determine the driverless capabilities of printer? > Have you looked what does Mopria is ? It require that the printer (and scanner) offer : Printing thru the use of IPP protocol Possibility to send the data in PDF format directly (or JPG) Auto discovery of the services offered thru "Bonjour". And all of the condition make a printer pretty much driver less. There's no link with you talking about AirPrint. -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 00:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CLrn3-5Ux-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238556 |
On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 15:33:26 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-08-12 3:22 p.m., Brian wrote: > > On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 18:29:02 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > > > [...] > > > >> I'm using a Xerox B205 MFC and it's fully supported. Yes it's laser but > >> the reason I am writing this message regard something else. > >> > >> It's the support of MOPRIA. > >> Even if it's mostly made for Android, what it does is offer a discovery > >> and printing protocol compatible with all CUPS system (will publish IP > >> endpoint that support PostScript, PCL and PDF, all depending on the > >> printer but at least one of them). Regarding the scanner, it will > >> support sending by email thru the use of a SMTP server account. > >> > >> So I think we can say these devices will be supported by Linux (and Debian). > > > > I was a bit taken aback when you advocated Mopria as a criterion for > > determining whether a printer could be operated driverlessly on Debian. > > But is it the *best* criterion? > > > > I've now got my head around it. > > > > Surely, it is better looking for AirPrint support in the printer specs > > to determine the driverless capabilities of printer? > > > > Have you looked what does Mopria is ? I have examined the aims and objectives of the Mopria Alliance in excrutiating detail. > It require that the printer (and scanner) offer : > Printing thru the use of IPP protocol Correct. > Possibility to send the data in PDF format directly (or JPG) > Auto discovery of the services offered thru "Bonjour". Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that a Mopria certified device should be ca[able of accepting PDF as a PDL in addition to PWG raster and PCLm. > And all of the condition make a printer pretty much driver less. > > There's no link with you talking about AirPrint. That avoids any meaningful dialog (and is incorrect). -- Brian.
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| From | Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 01:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CLrQ6-65x-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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Hi, On 2021-08-12 6:27 p.m., Brian wrote: > On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 15:33:26 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On 2021-08-12 3:22 p.m., Brian wrote: >>> On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 18:29:02 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >>> >>> [...] >>> >>>> I'm using a Xerox B205 MFC and it's fully supported. Yes it's laser but >>>> the reason I am writing this message regard something else. >>>> >>>> It's the support of MOPRIA. >>>> Even if it's mostly made for Android, what it does is offer a discovery >>>> and printing protocol compatible with all CUPS system (will publish IP >>>> endpoint that support PostScript, PCL and PDF, all depending on the >>>> printer but at least one of them). Regarding the scanner, it will >>>> support sending by email thru the use of a SMTP server account. >>>> >>>> So I think we can say these devices will be supported by Linux (and Debian). >>> >>> I was a bit taken aback when you advocated Mopria as a criterion for >>> determining whether a printer could be operated driverlessly on Debian. >>> But is it the *best* criterion? >>> >>> I've now got my head around it. >>> >>> Surely, it is better looking for AirPrint support in the printer specs >>> to determine the driverless capabilities of printer? >>> >> >> Have you looked what does Mopria is ? > > I have examined the aims and objectives of the Mopria Alliance in > excrutiating detail. > >> It require that the printer (and scanner) offer : >> Printing thru the use of IPP protocol > > Correct. > >> Possibility to send the data in PDF format directly (or JPG) >> Auto discovery of the services offered thru "Bonjour". > > Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that > a Mopria certified device should be ca[able of accepting PDF as a PDL > in addition to PWG raster and PCLm. > Like already written in my first post regarding this issue : https://mopria.org/spec-download >> And all of the condition make a printer pretty much driver less. >> >> There's no link with you talking about AirPrint. > > That avoids any meaningful dialog (and is incorrect). Can you explain to me what does AirPrint has to do with driverless printing ? Can you explain to me if AirPrint allow my printer automatic discovery ? IPP ? JPEG/PDF direct printing ? > I ain't here to convince anyone or try to show anything. If you disagree with what I've said than it's your point and go on. I already know that you'll keep on and possibly next time ask me what page of the specifications. I'll save some hassle and write it now. Page 16 for the scanner specifications -- All scanners and all eSCL clients MUST support at least two output data formats: JPEG and PDF. With PDF, the scanner can choose to embed JPEG and raster images within a PDF envelop. More high-end scanners could perform OCR before generating the PDF. Note that scanners can add ‘Rotate’ instructions (transforms) to PDF Page Objects if the page orientation is not correct. -- You'll find the same for the printer specifications. Before asking me to justify what I wrote, have you took the time to look thru the specifications ? ... https://mopria.org/Documents/Mopria_Alliance_Overview_FINAL.pdf Mopria offers share to open, view or print from app. Also direct print of PDF / JPEGs Page 8 of the Mopria Alliance Overview ... *What else do you need ?* -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 12:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CLCs9-4SY-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238561 |
On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 18:56:58 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-08-12 6:27 p.m., Brian wrote: > > On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 15:33:26 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> On 2021-08-12 3:22 p.m., Brian wrote: > >>> On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 18:29:02 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >>> > >>> [...] > >>> > >>>> I'm using a Xerox B205 MFC and it's fully supported. Yes it's laser but > >>>> the reason I am writing this message regard something else. > >>>> > >>>> It's the support of MOPRIA. > >>>> Even if it's mostly made for Android, what it does is offer a discovery > >>>> and printing protocol compatible with all CUPS system (will publish IP > >>>> endpoint that support PostScript, PCL and PDF, all depending on the > >>>> printer but at least one of them). Regarding the scanner, it will > >>>> support sending by email thru the use of a SMTP server account. > >>>> > >>>> So I think we can say these devices will be supported by Linux (and Debian). > >>> > >>> I was a bit taken aback when you advocated Mopria as a criterion for > >>> determining whether a printer could be operated driverlessly on Debian. > >>> But is it the *best* criterion? > >>> > >>> I've now got my head around it. > >>> > >>> Surely, it is better looking for AirPrint support in the printer specs > >>> to determine the driverless capabilities of printer? > >>> > >> > >> Have you looked what does Mopria is ? > > > > I have examined the aims and objectives of the Mopria Alliance in > > excrutiating detail. > > > >> It require that the printer (and scanner) offer : > >> Printing thru the use of IPP protocol > > > > Correct. > > > >> Possibility to send the data in PDF format directly (or JPG) > >> Auto discovery of the services offered thru "Bonjour". > > > > Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that > > a Mopria certified device should be ca[able of accepting PDF as a PDL > > in addition to PWG raster and PCLm. > > > Like already written in my first post regarding this issue : > https://mopria.org/spec-download That is a link to an HP scanning specification. Maybe I was less than clear that printing and printers were the focus of my attention, not scanning. > >> And all of the condition make a printer pretty much driver less. > >> > >> There's no link with you talking about AirPrint. > > > > That avoids any meaningful dialog (and is incorrect). > > Can you explain to me what does AirPrint has to do with driverless > printing ? Can you explain to me if AirPrint allow my printer automatic > discovery ? IPP ? JPEG/PDF direct printing ? There are three criteria for a printer to be regarded as driverless. 1. The transport protocol must be IPP. Apple AirPrint uses it. 2. There must be a discovery protocol, mDNS/DNS-SD. Apple AirPrint uses it and calls it Bonjour. 3. There must be a PDL common to the client and the printer. It is the third criterion in relation to Mopria that I am concerned with. As you said above: > ...(will publish IP endpoint that support PostScript, > PCL and PDF,... Leaving aside that PostScript and PCL are not acceptable driverless PDLs, I was intrigued by the information that PDF is a common PDL satisfying criterion 3 for a Mopria-certified printer. I read https://mopria.org/PDFs/Mopria_Whitepaper_092313.pdf which is from 2013. It says: > Page Description Languages WiFi Direct Services Print includes > PCL-m, PWG Raster > Standard Document Exchange Format JPEG, .png, PDF (future) I then hoped (forlornly, it turns out) that you might know the present status of PDF as a printing PDL in Mopria eight years afterwards. If you do not know, thats fine. We will leave it there. -- Brian.
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| From | Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 12:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CLCLv-4Ze-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238578 |
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Hi, On 2021-08-13 6:12 a.m., Brian wrote: > On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 18:56:58 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On 2021-08-12 6:27 p.m., Brian wrote: >>> On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 15:33:26 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> On 2021-08-12 3:22 p.m., Brian wrote: >>>>> On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 18:29:02 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >>>>> >>>>> [...] >>>>> >>>>>> I'm using a Xerox B205 MFC and it's fully supported. Yes it's laser but >>>>>> the reason I am writing this message regard something else. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's the support of MOPRIA. >>>>>> Even if it's mostly made for Android, what it does is offer a discovery >>>>>> and printing protocol compatible with all CUPS system (will publish IP >>>>>> endpoint that support PostScript, PCL and PDF, all depending on the >>>>>> printer but at least one of them). Regarding the scanner, it will >>>>>> support sending by email thru the use of a SMTP server account. >>>>>> >>>>>> So I think we can say these devices will be supported by Linux (and Debian). >>>>> >>>>> I was a bit taken aback when you advocated Mopria as a criterion for >>>>> determining whether a printer could be operated driverlessly on Debian. >>>>> But is it the *best* criterion? >>>>> >>>>> I've now got my head around it. >>>>> >>>>> Surely, it is better looking for AirPrint support in the printer specs >>>>> to determine the driverless capabilities of printer? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Have you looked what does Mopria is ? >>> >>> I have examined the aims and objectives of the Mopria Alliance in >>> excrutiating detail. >>> >>>> It require that the printer (and scanner) offer : >>>> Printing thru the use of IPP protocol >>> >>> Correct. >>> >>>> Possibility to send the data in PDF format directly (or JPG) >>>> Auto discovery of the services offered thru "Bonjour". >>> >>> Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that >>> a Mopria certified device should be ca[able of accepting PDF as a PDL >>> in addition to PWG raster and PCLm. >>> >> Like already written in my first post regarding this issue : >> https://mopria.org/spec-download > > That is a link to an HP scanning specification. Maybe I was less than > clear that printing and printers were the focus of my attention, not > scanning. > >>>> And all of the condition make a printer pretty much driver less. >>>> >>>> There's no link with you talking about AirPrint. >>> >>> That avoids any meaningful dialog (and is incorrect). >> >> Can you explain to me what does AirPrint has to do with driverless >> printing ? Can you explain to me if AirPrint allow my printer automatic >> discovery ? IPP ? JPEG/PDF direct printing ? > > There are three criteria for a printer to be regarded as driverless. > > 1. The transport protocol must be IPP. Apple AirPrint uses it. > 2. There must be a discovery protocol, mDNS/DNS-SD. Apple AirPrint uses > it and calls it Bonjour. > 3. There must be a PDL common to the client and the printer. > > It is the third criterion in relation to Mopria that I am concerned > with. As you said above: > > > ...(will publish IP endpoint that support PostScript, > > PCL and PDF,... > > Leaving aside that PostScript and PCL are not acceptable driverless > PDLs, I was intrigued by the information that PDF is a common PDL > satisfying criterion 3 for a Mopria-certified printer. I read > > https://mopria.org/PDFs/Mopria_Whitepaper_092313.pdf > > which is from 2013. > > It says: > > > Page Description Languages WiFi Direct Services Print includes > > PCL-m, PWG Raster > > Standard Document Exchange Format JPEG, .png, PDF (future) > > I then hoped (forlornly, it turns out) that you might know the present > status of PDF as a printing PDL in Mopria eight years afterwards. > > If you do not know, thats fine. We will leave it there. > No one force you to nothing. I've already written that the printers support PDF and JPEG, but this seems unreliable to you because I'm in gendering from French Canada (as your good friend deloptes seem to believe). Sorry if I don't keep a notepad and bookmark of all the information I collect. The simple fact the the dozen of printer I installed and dealt with, all being chosen on the only fact of being Mopria supported were offering JPEG and PDF (plus more). Maybe I'd have more interest in doing some research to help you out, as you seem to need some hard proof regarding Mopria. But the interest in doing so go pretty low when I consider the type of rudeness and lack of respect you show in your messages. Hope you got all you needed as information. Good luck. -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 13:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CLDey-5oM-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238580 |
On Fri 13 Aug 2021 at 06:29:52 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-08-13 6:12 a.m., Brian wrote: > > On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 18:56:58 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> On 2021-08-12 6:27 p.m., Brian wrote: > >>> On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 15:33:26 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> On 2021-08-12 3:22 p.m., Brian wrote: > >>>>> On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 18:29:02 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> [...] > >>>>> > >>>>>> I'm using a Xerox B205 MFC and it's fully supported. Yes it's laser but > >>>>>> the reason I am writing this message regard something else. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It's the support of MOPRIA. > >>>>>> Even if it's mostly made for Android, what it does is offer a discovery > >>>>>> and printing protocol compatible with all CUPS system (will publish IP > >>>>>> endpoint that support PostScript, PCL and PDF, all depending on the > >>>>>> printer but at least one of them). Regarding the scanner, it will > >>>>>> support sending by email thru the use of a SMTP server account. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So I think we can say these devices will be supported by Linux (and Debian). > >>>>> > >>>>> I was a bit taken aback when you advocated Mopria as a criterion for > >>>>> determining whether a printer could be operated driverlessly on Debian. > >>>>> But is it the *best* criterion? > >>>>> > >>>>> I've now got my head around it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Surely, it is better looking for AirPrint support in the printer specs > >>>>> to determine the driverless capabilities of printer? > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Have you looked what does Mopria is ? > >>> > >>> I have examined the aims and objectives of the Mopria Alliance in > >>> excrutiating detail. > >>> > >>>> It require that the printer (and scanner) offer : > >>>> Printing thru the use of IPP protocol > >>> > >>> Correct. > >>> > >>>> Possibility to send the data in PDF format directly (or JPG) > >>>> Auto discovery of the services offered thru "Bonjour". > >>> > >>> Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that > >>> a Mopria certified device should be ca[able of accepting PDF as a PDL > >>> in addition to PWG raster and PCLm. > >>> > >> Like already written in my first post regarding this issue : > >> https://mopria.org/spec-download > > > > That is a link to an HP scanning specification. Maybe I was less than > > clear that printing and printers were the focus of my attention, not > > scanning. > > > >>>> And all of the condition make a printer pretty much driver less. > >>>> > >>>> There's no link with you talking about AirPrint. > >>> > >>> That avoids any meaningful dialog (and is incorrect). > >> > >> Can you explain to me what does AirPrint has to do with driverless > >> printing ? Can you explain to me if AirPrint allow my printer automatic > >> discovery ? IPP ? JPEG/PDF direct printing ? > > > > There are three criteria for a printer to be regarded as driverless. > > > > 1. The transport protocol must be IPP. Apple AirPrint uses it. > > 2. There must be a discovery protocol, mDNS/DNS-SD. Apple AirPrint uses > > it and calls it Bonjour. > > 3. There must be a PDL common to the client and the printer. > > > > It is the third criterion in relation to Mopria that I am concerned > > with. As you said above: > > > > > ...(will publish IP endpoint that support PostScript, > > > PCL and PDF,... > > > > Leaving aside that PostScript and PCL are not acceptable driverless > > PDLs, I was intrigued by the information that PDF is a common PDL > > satisfying criterion 3 for a Mopria-certified printer. I read > > > > https://mopria.org/PDFs/Mopria_Whitepaper_092313.pdf > > > > which is from 2013. > > > > It says: > > > > > Page Description Languages WiFi Direct Services Print includes > > > PCL-m, PWG Raster > > > Standard Document Exchange Format JPEG, .png, PDF (future) > > > > I then hoped (forlornly, it turns out) that you might know the present > > status of PDF as a printing PDL in Mopria eight years afterwards. > > > > If you do not know, thats fine. We will leave it there. > > > > No one force you to nothing. I've already written that the printers > support PDF and JPEG, but this seems unreliable to you because I'm in > gendering from French Canada (as your good friend deloptes seem to believe). All I wanted was refernce. You seemed to be familia with Mopria so it did not seem a bad idea to post to the list. It turns out, as Curt posted, that a Mopria-certified certified device wants to see one of PWG raster, PCLm or PDF as a printer PDL. Rather strange that an image format is not specified. > Sorry if I don't keep a notepad and bookmark of all the information I > collect. The simple fact the the dozen of printer I installed and dealt > with, all being chosen on the only fact of being Mopria supported were > offering JPEG and PDF (plus more). > > Maybe I'd have more interest in doing some research to help you out, as > you seem to need some hard proof regarding Mopria. But the interest in > doing so go pretty low when I consider the type of rudeness and lack of > respect you show in your messages. I have no idea what you are talking about here. > > Hope you got all you needed as information. You were rather helpful. You and Curt helped me get my ideas sorted. -- Brian.
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| From | Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 01:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CLrZL-6op-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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Hi, On 2021-08-12 6:27 p.m., Brian wrote: > On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 15:33:26 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On 2021-08-12 3:22 p.m., Brian wrote: >>> On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 18:29:02 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >>> >>> [...] >>> >>>> I'm using a Xerox B205 MFC and it's fully supported. Yes it's laser but >>>> the reason I am writing this message regard something else. >>>> >>>> It's the support of MOPRIA. >>>> Even if it's mostly made for Android, what it does is offer a discovery >>>> and printing protocol compatible with all CUPS system (will publish IP >>>> endpoint that support PostScript, PCL and PDF, all depending on the >>>> printer but at least one of them). Regarding the scanner, it will >>>> support sending by email thru the use of a SMTP server account. >>>> >>>> So I think we can say these devices will be supported by Linux (and Debian). >>> >>> I was a bit taken aback when you advocated Mopria as a criterion for >>> determining whether a printer could be operated driverlessly on Debian. >>> But is it the *best* criterion? >>> >>> I've now got my head around it. >>> >>> Surely, it is better looking for AirPrint support in the printer specs >>> to determine the driverless capabilities of printer? >>> >> >> Have you looked what does Mopria is ? > > I have examined the aims and objectives of the Mopria Alliance in > excrutiating detail. > >> It require that the printer (and scanner) offer : >> Printing thru the use of IPP protocol > > Correct. > >> Possibility to send the data in PDF format directly (or JPG) >> Auto discovery of the services offered thru "Bonjour". > > Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that > a Mopria certified device should be ca[able of accepting PDF as a PDL > in addition to PWG raster and PCLm. > I forgot some hard to find information from Wikipedia If you doubt, 1st edit Wikipedia page and after this check the reference down the page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mopria_Alliance *IPP* Windows 10 support for Mopria certified printers Microsoft implemented an IPP printing solution based on the Mopria standard in the Windows 10, version 1809 operating system. *autodiscovery* Mopria Print Service The Mopria Print Service for Android was released in the Google Play store in October 2014. It is a plug-in that enables printing from Android devices to Mopria certified printers and MFPs. A client uses mDNS to automatically discover a printer through the local 802.11 wireless network. The printer must be connected to the network either wirelessly or with an Ethernet cable. Mopria Print Service also supports printer connection through Wi-Fi Direct. >> And all of the condition make a printer pretty much driver less. >> >> There's no link with you talking about AirPrint. > > That avoids any meaningful dialog (and is incorrect). > I've found truckload of information by doing a simple Google search of *Mopria printer PDF support*, *Mopria printer IP support* what else do you want ? Make a effort or stick with the "I can't believe this, a *universal* alliance of *supported printer* this can't be *true* Yes and a alliance of supported universal video device (UVC) was something we wouldn't have believed in 1999. -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-14 20:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CM6Tf-7uW-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238562 |
On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 19:03:23 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > On 2021-08-12 6:27 p.m., Brian wrote: > > On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 15:33:26 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > > > Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that > > a Mopria certified device should be ca[able of accepting PDF as a PDL > > in addition to PWG raster and PCLm. > > > I forgot some hard to find information from Wikipedia You also forgot to attempt to respond to a simple question. Curt answered it satisfactorily. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg00624.html You could have said "I do not know". > If you doubt, 1st edit Wikipedia page and after this check the reference > down the page. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mopria_Alliance > > *IPP* > > Windows 10 support for Mopria certified printers > Microsoft implemented an IPP printing solution based on the Mopria > standard in the Windows 10, version 1809 operating system. > > *autodiscovery* > Mopria Print Service > The Mopria Print Service for Android was released in the Google Play > store in October 2014. It is a plug-in that enables printing from > Android devices to Mopria certified printers and MFPs. > > A client uses mDNS to automatically discover a printer through the local > 802.11 wireless network. The printer must be connected to the network > either wirelessly or with an Ethernet cable. Mopria Print Service also > supports printer connection through Wi-Fi Direct. Any doubts I have do not relate to a transpot or discovery protocol but to a common PDL. As demonstrated at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg00681.html this is the critical third factor. You have completely ignored it. > >> And all of the condition make a printer pretty much driver less. You only mention two conditions. A driverless printing situation requires *three* conditions. > >> There's no link with you talking about AirPrint. This is where you go off the rails. I am utterly amazed that such a syatement could be made in the context of a Debian installation. These well meaning but ill-formed ideas really will have to revised to match reality. A Mopria-certified printer is not a reliable indicator of driverless printing being possible on Debian. -- Brian.
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| From | Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-14 21:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CM7FE-80j-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238648 |
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On 2021-08-14 2:44 p.m., Brian wrote: > On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 19:03:23 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> On 2021-08-12 6:27 p.m., Brian wrote: >>> On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 15:33:26 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >>> >>> Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that >>> a Mopria certified device should be ca[able of accepting PDF as a PDL >>> in addition to PWG raster and PCLm. >>> >> I forgot some hard to find information from Wikipedia > > You also forgot to attempt to respond to a simple question. Curt > answered it satisfactorily. > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg00624.html > > You could have said "I do not know". > >> If you doubt, 1st edit Wikipedia page and after this check the reference >> down the page. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mopria_Alliance >> >> *IPP* >> >> Windows 10 support for Mopria certified printers >> Microsoft implemented an IPP printing solution based on the Mopria >> standard in the Windows 10, version 1809 operating system. >> >> *autodiscovery* >> Mopria Print Service >> The Mopria Print Service for Android was released in the Google Play >> store in October 2014. It is a plug-in that enables printing from >> Android devices to Mopria certified printers and MFPs. >> >> A client uses mDNS to automatically discover a printer through the local >> 802.11 wireless network. The printer must be connected to the network >> either wirelessly or with an Ethernet cable. Mopria Print Service also >> supports printer connection through Wi-Fi Direct. > > Any doubts I have do not relate to a transpot or discovery protocol > but to a common PDL. As demonstrated at > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg00681.html > > this is the critical third factor. You have completely ignored it. > >>>> And all of the condition make a printer pretty much driver less. > > You only mention two conditions. A driverless printing situation > requires *three* conditions. > >>>> There's no link with you talking about AirPrint. > > This is where you go off the rails. I am utterly amazed that such > a syatement could be made in the context of a Debian installation. > These well meaning but ill-formed ideas really will have to revised > to match reality. > > A Mopria-certified printer is not a reliable indicator of driverless > printing being possible on Debian. > If you say so, I'll agree with you because there's no use of arguing of who's winning and I never had the expectation to win. The only thing I know is that if you'd have read the Mopria site then you'd have looked at the FAQ and wouldn't have needed someone else to repeat you. I am referring to this particular message. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg00624.html I have already told you that it supported PDF and that all the information was on the Mopria website. I won't go back and write again all the message I've sent. The 3 condition are met, if you don't want to see it then I can't do more. You are somewhat crossing the line between acting in good faith and just acting in plain confrontation. Sorry, you are so beautiful, let me poke a knife thru my eye so I can better admire you. -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-14 23:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CM9Hr-OP-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238652 |
On Sat 14 Aug 2021 at 15:31:07 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > On 2021-08-14 2:44 p.m., Brian wrote: [...] > > > A Mopria-certified printer is not a reliable indicator of driverless > > printing being possible on Debian. > > > > If you say so, I'll agree with you because there's no use of arguing of > who's winning and I never had the expectation to win. It isn't about winning. It is about cogent technical argument. Up to now you haven't presented one. All you have done is referred to the Mopria website as a source of information. The Debian printing system is not mentioned in what you write. I recognise your point but its validity in a Debian context is very dubious. > The only thing I know is that if you'd have read the Mopria site then > you'd have looked at the FAQ and wouldn't have needed someone else to > repeat you. > > I am referring to this particular message. > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg00624.html This link was in the message you responded to. Why quote it back to me? > I have already told you that it supported PDF and that all the > information was on the Mopria website. > > I won't go back and write again all the message I've sent. > > The 3 condition are met, if you don't want to see it then I can't do more. > > You are somewhat crossing the line between acting in good faith and just > acting in plain confrontation. Deconstruction - "I cannot counter your technical arguments so..." --- Brian.
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| From | deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 07:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CLxC9-1zu-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238559 |
Brian wrote: > Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that > a Mopria certified device should be ca[able of accepting PDF as a PDL > in addition to PWG raster and PCLm. > >> And all of the condition make a printer pretty much driver less. >> >> There's no link with you talking about AirPrint. > > That avoids any meaningful dialog (and is incorrect). @Brian communication with Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside is meaningless and a waste of time. I even had to google her, because I had the feeling I talk to a troll. I think she is extreme left ... lost in gendering and so on somewhere in French Canada, but I do not have any evidence for that. However the information I found and her attitude here was enough for me so that I avoid replying to her posts. I mean she takes things personal and starts a discussion that never ends and brings nothing at the end - pure waste of time. However I must admit she stopped top posting and it could be she educates herself. -- FCD6 3719 0FFB F1BF 38EA 4727 5348 5F1F DCFE BCB0
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| From | Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 07:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CLxVv-1Jy-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238567 |
On 13-08-2021 15:08, deloptes wrote: > Brian wrote: > >> Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that >> a Mopria certified device should be ca[able of accepting PDF as a PDL >> in addition to PWG raster and PCLm. >> >>> And all of the condition make a printer pretty much driver less. >>> >>> There's no link with you talking about AirPrint. >> >> That avoids any meaningful dialog (and is incorrect). > > @Brian communication with Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside is meaningless and > a waste of time. > I even had to google her, because I had the feeling I talk to a troll. I > think she is extreme left ... lost in gendering and so on somewhere in > French Canada, but I do not have any evidence for that. However the > information I found and her attitude here was enough for me so that I avoid > replying to her posts. I mean she takes things personal and starts a > discussion that never ends and brings nothing at the end - pure waste of > time. > However I must admit she stopped top posting and it could be she educates > herself. Agreed. I took considerable time in trying to sort out a professed problem in that area regarding supposed `incompetent medical practice open source software', only to discover the software is present, but needs legislative/regulatory approval for registration and licencing for application, apparently. In other words, no concern of Debian's, out of context on this list (supposedly a concern of this individual), and approaching the developers of any software that was satisfactorily functional to organise an effort to gain the required legislative approval, the appropriate course. But convoluted, pyrotechnics appear to be the game, and deletion is my usual response now. Cheers! Harry. -- `Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth'. -- Albert Einstein
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 08:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CLyHT-2hu-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238567 |
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On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 07:08:06AM +0200, deloptes wrote: > Brian wrote: > > > Please give a link at the Mopria website substantiating your clain that > > a Mopria certified device should be ca[able of accepting PDF as a PDL > > in addition to PWG raster and PCLm. > > > >> And all of the condition make a printer pretty much driver less. > >> > >> There's no link with you talking about AirPrint. > > > > That avoids any meaningful dialog (and is incorrect). > > @Brian communication with Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside is meaningless and > a waste of time. Can we please avoid personal insults? Each of us has his/her difficult points. If you have issues with those points, by all means, speak up. But **attacking people personally** does not belong in this list. Cheers - tomás
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| From | deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 08:50 +0200 |
| Subject | OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 |
| Message-ID | <CLzaV-2y0-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238569 |
tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > Can we please avoid personal insults? > > Each of us has his/her difficult points. If you have issues with > those points, by all means, speak up. But **attacking people > personally** does not belong in this list. I do not insult anyone and do not attack people, please stop with this BS of excuse by political correctness. I have also the right to feel insulted by her attitude, but do not make so much noise as you do .... aaah and now you tell me you are under personal attack... never ending game - just forget it. with respect as I usually do respect your contributions to the ML, when it goes technical. -- FCD6 3719 0FFB F1BF 38EA 4727 5348 5F1F DCFE BCB0
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 09:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 |
| Message-ID | <CLzkB-2Be-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238571 |
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On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 08:42:55AM +0200, deloptes wrote: > tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > Can we please avoid personal insults? > I do not insult anyone and do not attack people [...] I strongly disagree. Rest taken off-list.
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| From | deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 09:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 |
| Message-ID | <CLzkB-2Be-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238572 |
tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > I strongly disagree. > me too -- FCD6 3719 0FFB F1BF 38EA 4727 5348 5F1F DCFE BCB0
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 13:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 |
| Message-ID | <CLDRf-5CR-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238571 |
On Friday, August 13, 2021 02:42:55 AM deloptes wrote: > tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > > Can we please avoid personal insults? > > > > Each of us has his/her difficult points. If you have issues with > > those points, by all means, speak up. But **attacking people > > personally** does not belong in this list. > > I do not insult anyone and do not attack people, please stop with this BS > of excuse by political correctness. I don't think tomas felt he was under personal attack, but that he perceived a personal attack on Polyna.
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| From | deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 13:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 |
| Message-ID | <CLDRf-5CR-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238583 |
rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: >> I do not insult anyone and do not attack people, please stop with this BS >> of excuse by political correctness. > > I don't think tomas felt he was under personal attack, but that he > perceived a personal attack on Polyna And I understood completely well. So I hope Polyna does understand as well. I have a small issue with her attitude taking things personally and argueing in trolling manner. For me it is not a problem, I simply ignore her posts, but I like Brian and his posts and sensed that he's falling for her argueing. regards -- FCD6 3719 0FFB F1BF 38EA 4727 5348 5F1F DCFE BCB0
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| From | ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-13 14:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 |
| Message-ID | <CLEaB-5Z4-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238584 |
On 8/13/21 2:48 PM, deloptes wrote: > For me it is not a problem, I simply ignore her posts - Quite, quite :) .
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