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| Started by | Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> |
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| First post | 2021-08-10 16:20 +0200 |
| Last post | 2021-08-14 18:20 +0200 |
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All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-10 16:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-08-10 16:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-10 16:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 18:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-10 19:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 19:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-10 20:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 21:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-11 08:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 12:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-08-11 12:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-11 09:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 12:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-11 14:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 15:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 16:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-11 16:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 17:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 17:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-10 17:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-10 20:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 13:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 00:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-11 09:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 09:40 +0200
Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-11 09:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2021-08-11 09:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:10 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-08-11 12:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-11 14:40 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-08-12 17:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-12 18:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-12 19:20 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-12 19:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-12 21:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-11 13:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-11 15:40 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-11 13:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Tony van der Hoff <lists@vanderhoff.org> - 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-08-11 15:30 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-11 15:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-08-11 15:40 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-08-11 17:50 +0200
Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2021-08-11 21:00 +0200
End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:00 +0200
Re: End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-11 10:10 +0200
Re: End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 20:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-12 21:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-12 21:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 00:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 01:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 12:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 12:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 13:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 01:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 20:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 21:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 23:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 07:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-08-13 07:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 08:20 +0200
OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 08:50 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 09:00 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 09:00 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-08-13 13:50 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 13:50 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-08-13 14:10 +0200
Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 14:00 +0200
Re: Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-13 09:10 +0200
Re: Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 10:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 18:20 +0200
Meta: behavior on list Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-08-13 18:50 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-08-13 19:00 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-08-13 19:40 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 21:20 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-08-13 19:00 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 19:00 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 19:20 +0200
[OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-08-13 22:20 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-08-13 23:10 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 23:20 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-08-13 23:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 23:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-08-14 00:00 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-08-14 00:00 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-08-13 23:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Punked was [Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 23:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-08-14 01:20 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-08-14 01:50 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 02:30 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 07:10 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-14 08:30 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-08-14 14:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] 1149 (was: lonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-14 14:50 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] 1149 (was: lonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-14 15:20 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] CoCo and oldies (was : 1149 (was: lonk / was: Meta: behavior on list)) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 15:30 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-14 15:00 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-08-14 17:10 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 21:10 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 21:30 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 21:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2021-08-14 21:40 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-14 22:00 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 22:00 +0200
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 23:30 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 22:40 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-08-14 13:00 +0200
Re: Meta: behavior on list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-14 14:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-13 11:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 12:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 14:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 00:40 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 20:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-13 13:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 15:20 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-13 15:30 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 15:50 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-13 16:00 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-13 18:10 +0200
Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 19:40 +0200
HP plat fair with drivers? Keith Bainbridge <ke1thrboz@gmx.com> - 2021-08-14 11:20 +0200
Re: HP plat fair with drivers? Kushal Kumaran <kushal@locationd.net> - 2021-08-14 18:20 +0200
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| From | Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> |
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| Date | 2021-08-10 16:20 +0200 |
| Subject | All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 |
| Message-ID | <CKALL-5zX-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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Hi. We need to replace an all-in-one printer-scanner, a HP Deskjet 3054A. Based on past experience, I am favoring HP, because AFAIK they mostly play fair about Libre drivers, and their ink is too expensive but not insanely so. The HP OfficeJet 8012 seems the most interesting available at my preferred vendor (LDLC). As far as I can see, it would be supported through driverless printing and sane-hpaio. Am I mistaken? The vendor has other models has other models by Epson, Canon and Brother. I remember these brands have caused trouble to users of Libre software, unlike HP who develops its own Libre tools. I want to buy according to my ethics. Has one of them turned its policy around enough to warrant considering it? Is there any other remark you may want to do about it? (If your remark is along the lines: "not inkjet, laser" or "not all-in-one, separate devices", save your time, I have already heard the arguments and I know the constraints I am working with.) Thanks in advance. Regards, -- Nicolas George
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| From | Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> |
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| Date | 2021-08-10 16:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CKB57-5FW-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238427 |
On 8/10/21 7:14 AM, Nicolas George wrote: > Hi. > > We need to replace an all-in-one printer-scanner, a HP Deskjet 3054A. > > Based on past experience, I am favoring HP, because AFAIK they mostly > play fair about Libre drivers, and their ink is too expensive but not > insanely so. The HP OfficeJet 8012 seems the most interesting available > at my preferred vendor (LDLC). > > As far as I can see, it would be supported through driverless printing > and sane-hpaio. Am I mistaken? > > The vendor has other models has other models by Epson, Canon and > Brother. I remember these brands have caused trouble to users of Libre > software, unlike HP who develops its own Libre tools. I have been using a Brother MFC-J6710DW for quite some time...it seems to be well supported using the Brother website I do not know if it is truly Libre it is defiantly time to replace it, I will investigate the HP OfficeJet 8012 > I want to buy > according to my ethics. Has one of them turned its policy around enough > to warrant considering it? > > Is there any other remark you may want to do about it? > > (If your remark is along the lines: "not inkjet, laser" or "not > all-in-one, separate devices", save your time, I have already heard the > arguments and I know the constraints I am working with.) > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, >
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| From | Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-10 16:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CKBeO-5Jc-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238427 |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 16:14:38 +0200
Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> wrote:
Hello Nicolas,
>insanely so. The HP OfficeJet 8012 seems the most interesting available
>at my preferred vendor (LDLC).
That's the one I've got here. Runs fine.
There's one oddity, if you use HP Device Manager - When the GUI first
comes up, there's nothing shown. However, after a short wait (30 secs
max), ink levels and Actions all show. It may be the way I've set things
up, of course.
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent"
/ _)rad "Is it only me that has a working delete key?"
You're the psychotic daughter of a psychotic mother
Pure Mania - The Vibrators
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-10 18:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CKCDT-6Hj-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238430 |
On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 15:34:52 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 16:14:38 +0200 > Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> wrote: > > Hello Nicolas, > > >insanely so. The HP OfficeJet 8012 seems the most interesting available > >at my preferred vendor (LDLC). > > That's the one I've got here. Runs fine. Very useful info. > There's one oddity, if you use HP Device Manager - When the GUI first > comes up, there's nothing shown. However, after a short wait (30 secs > max), ink levels and Actions all show. It may be the way I've set things > up, of course. I can understand using HPLIP instead of driverless printing if you had a USB connection and were on buster, but not if the device has a network connection or is on bullseye. Does choosing to employ HPLIP have some advantage? I know many users do the same as you do. Surely HP in the package's name is not the incentive? -- Brian.
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| From | Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-10 19:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CKDqh-7ds-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238435 |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 17:18:30 +0100
Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
Hello Brian,
>I can understand using HPLIP instead of driverless printing if you
>had a USB connection and were on buster, but not if the device has
>a network connection or is on bullseye. Does choosing to employ
Hang over from a previous HP printer install; An HP 6700 AiO printer
which died recently, despite attempts to revive it with a good clean
out and a new printhead assy.
As for why use HPLIP - I used the install that was already there, just
updating it for the new printer. It works well enough for me.
Personally, I like having HPLIP's Device Status applet for ink level
checking (printer is not in same room as computer), as that is all I need
to see. The printer's web page is overkill. IMO, of course,
>Surely HP in the package's name is not the incentive?
See above. But to answer directly; No.
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent"
/ _)rad "Is it only me that has a working delete key?"
Dream on white boy, dream on black girl
Original Sin - INXS
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-10 19:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CKE2Z-7qz-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238437 |
On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 17:51:46 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 17:18:30 +0100 > Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote: > > Hello Brian, > > >I can understand using HPLIP instead of driverless printing if you > >had a USB connection and were on buster, but not if the device has > >a network connection or is on bullseye. Does choosing to employ > > Hang over from a previous HP printer install; An HP 6700 AiO printer > which died recently, despite attempts to revive it with a good clean > out and a new printhead assy. > > As for why use HPLIP - I used the install that was already there, just > updating it for the new printer. It works well enough for me. > Personally, I like having HPLIP's Device Status applet for ink level > checking (printer is not in same room as computer), as that is all I need > to see. The printer's web page is overkill. IMO, of course, Thank you for the response, Brad. I see the point about applet verus web page. To my mind it is not a showstopper. Enjoy the applet while you can. -- Brian.
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| From | Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-10 20:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CKEw1-7Pj-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238442 |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 18:44:18 +0100
Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
Hello Brian,
>Thank you for the response, Brad. I see the point about applet verus web
NP, Brian.
>page. To my mind it is not a showstopper.
Nor to me. It's simply convenient.
>Enjoy the applet while you can.
Probably when I get a new machine. Which should be some years away -
I've only had this one about a year. Unless, of course, I'm forced to
remove HPLIP by some upgrade or other in the mean time.
Cheers.
--
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/ _)rad "Is it only me that has a working delete key?"
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| From | Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> |
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| Date | 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CKF8J-82C-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238450 |
Le 10/08/2021 à 20:54, Brian a écrit : > On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 19:01:30 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > >> On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 18:44:18 +0100 >> Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote: >> >> Hello Brian, >> >>> Thank you for the response, Brad. I see the point about applet verus web >> NP, Brian. >> >>> page. To my mind it is not a showstopper. >> Nor to me. It's simply convenient. >> >>> Enjoy the applet while you can. >> Probably when I get a new machine. Which should be some years away - >> I've only had this one about a year. Unless, of course, I'm forced to >> remove HPLIP by some upgrade or other in the mean time. > As I've said previously, a future CUPS will not support printer drivers. > HPLIP provides printer drivers. There will be little point in Debian > packaging HPLIP, wouldn't you agree? But this is a few years away. > > Stick with what you have (it works) but think about getting ahead of the > game. > We'll see at that time, especially since what I read from https://wiki.debian.org/CUPSDriverlessPrinting makes it unable to handle the cases where you must use a print serer or the one where you're not on the same network as the printer.
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-10 21:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CKFV8-6r-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238453 |
On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 20:57:56 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > Le 10/08/2021 à 20:54, Brian a écrit : > > On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 19:01:30 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 18:44:18 +0100 > >> Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote: > >> > >> Hello Brian, > >> > >>> Thank you for the response, Brad. I see the point about applet verus web > >> NP, Brian. > >> > >>> page. To my mind it is not a showstopper. > >> Nor to me. It's simply convenient. > >> > >>> Enjoy the applet while you can. > >> Probably when I get a new machine. Which should be some years away - > >> I've only had this one about a year. Unless, of course, I'm forced to > >> remove HPLIP by some upgrade or other in the mean time. > > As I've said previously, a future CUPS will not support printer drivers. > > HPLIP provides printer drivers. There will be little point in Debian > > packaging HPLIP, wouldn't you agree? But this is a few years away. > > > > Stick with what you have (it works) but think about getting ahead of the > > game. > > > We'll see at that time, especially since what I read from > https://wiki.debian.org/CUPSDriverlessPrinting makes it unable to handle > the cases where you must use a print serer or the one where you're not > on the same network as the printer. Perhaps cups-browsed migt help you. -- Brian.
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| From | Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 08:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CKPB7-7gY-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238460 |
Le 10/08/2021 à 21:48, Brian a écrit : > On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 20:57:56 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > >> Le 10/08/2021 à 20:54, Brian a écrit : >>> On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 19:01:30 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 18:44:18 +0100 >>>> Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Brian, >>>> >>>>> Thank you for the response, Brad. I see the point about applet verus web >>>> NP, Brian. >>>> >>>>> page. To my mind it is not a showstopper. >>>> Nor to me. It's simply convenient. >>>> >>>>> Enjoy the applet while you can. >>>> Probably when I get a new machine. Which should be some years away - >>>> I've only had this one about a year. Unless, of course, I'm forced to >>>> remove HPLIP by some upgrade or other in the mean time. >>> As I've said previously, a future CUPS will not support printer drivers. >>> HPLIP provides printer drivers. There will be little point in Debian >>> packaging HPLIP, wouldn't you agree? But this is a few years away. >>> >>> Stick with what you have (it works) but think about getting ahead of the >>> game. >>> >> We'll see at that time, especially since what I read from >> https://wiki.debian.org/CUPSDriverlessPrinting makes it unable to handle >> the cases where you must use a print serer or the one where you're not >> on the same network as the printer. > > Perhaps cups-browsed migt help you. > No all zeroconf based scheme is limited to the local (L2 network). And printer on a separate network is the standard setup in offices.
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 12:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CKTv4-19g-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238476 |
On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 08:00:44 +0200, Erwan David wrote: [...] > Le 10/08/2021 à 21:48, Brian a écrit : > > On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 20:57:56 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > > > > > > > We'll see at that time, especially since what I read from > > > https://wiki.debian.org/CUPSDriverlessPrinting makes it unable to handle > > > the cases where you must use a print serer or the one where you're not > > > on the same network as the printer. > > > > Perhaps cups-browsed migt help you. > > > > No all zeroconf based scheme is limited to the local (L2 network). And > printer on a separate network is the standard setup in offices. I thought you might have read cups-browsed.conf(5). Doesn't the BrowsePoll directive provide a solution? -- Brian.
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| From | Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 12:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CKTY5-1l4-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238493 |
Hi. On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 11:14:10AM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 08:00:44 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > > [...] > > > Le 10/08/2021 à 21:48, Brian a écrit : > > > On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 20:57:56 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > > > > > > > > > We'll see at that time, especially since what I read from > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/CUPSDriverlessPrinting makes it unable to handle > > > > the cases where you must use a print serer or the one where you're not > > > > on the same network as the printer. > > > > > > Perhaps cups-browsed migt help you. > > > > > > > No all zeroconf based scheme is limited to the local (L2 network). And > > printer on a separate network is the standard setup in offices. > > I thought you might have read cups-browsed.conf(5). Doesn't the > BrowsePoll directive provide a solution? Using BrowsePoll to overcome that problem assumes that you know what IP/hostname your printer(s) have. I.e. instead of relying on DNS-SD autodiscovery (which is limited to a single L2 network segment) one you're proposing to hardcode printers' IPs/hostnames into cups-browsed.conf. But this makes cups-browsed redundant, because one might as well use ServerName in client.conf instead and achieve the same result. And probably it will even work better as it will skip that per-minute poll. Using Samba's printer sharing makes much more sense in a such setup. Reco
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 14:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CKVdw-2gi-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238498 |
On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 13:42:00 +0300, Reco wrote: > On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 11:14:10AM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 08:00:44 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > Le 10/08/2021 à 21:48, Brian a écrit : > > > > On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 20:57:56 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > We'll see at that time, especially since what I read from > > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/CUPSDriverlessPrinting makes it unable to handle > > > > > the cases where you must use a print serer or the one where you're not > > > > > on the same network as the printer. > > > > > > > > Perhaps cups-browsed migt help you. > > > > > > > > > > No all zeroconf based scheme is limited to the local (L2 network). And > > > printer on a separate network is the standard setup in offices. > > > > I thought you might have read cups-browsed.conf(5). Doesn't the > > BrowsePoll directive provide a solution? > > Using BrowsePoll to overcome that problem assumes that you know what > IP/hostname your printer(s) have. > I.e. instead of relying on DNS-SD autodiscovery (which is limited to a > single L2 network segment) one you're proposing to hardcode printers' > IPs/hostnames into cups-browsed.conf. I was actually pointing the user in the direction of something he might not have been aware of, not proposing a definitive solution. You are correct about hardcoding IPs/hostnames, but the same has to be done with a client.conf. > But this makes cups-browsed redundant, because one might as well use > ServerName in client.conf instead and achieve the same result. And > probably it will even work better as it will skip that per-minute poll. You can have only a single ServerName but multiple BrowsePoll entries. > > Using Samba's printer sharing makes much more sense in a such setup. The user now has three possible solutions. -- Brian.
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CKF8J-82C-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238450 |
On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 19:01:30 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 18:44:18 +0100 > Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote: > > Hello Brian, > > >Thank you for the response, Brad. I see the point about applet verus web > > NP, Brian. > > >page. To my mind it is not a showstopper. > > Nor to me. It's simply convenient. > > >Enjoy the applet while you can. > > Probably when I get a new machine. Which should be some years away - > I've only had this one about a year. Unless, of course, I'm forced to > remove HPLIP by some upgrade or other in the mean time. As I've said previously, a future CUPS will not support printer drivers. HPLIP provides printer drivers. There will be little point in Debian packaging HPLIP, wouldn't you agree? But this is a few years away. Stick with what you have (it works) but think about getting ahead of the game. -- Brian.
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| From | Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 09:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CKQQy-7Yx-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238455 |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 19:54:23 +0100
Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
Hello Brian,
>As I've said previously, a future CUPS will not support printer drivers.
>HPLIP provides printer drivers. There will be little point in Debian
>packaging HPLIP, wouldn't you agree? But this is a few years away.
When, eventually, all HP printers run driverless _and_ no no-driverless
printer exist 'in the wild', yes. Until then, I'd expect HPLIP to
remain. Debian is, after all, about choice.
>Stick with what you have (it works) but think about getting ahead of the
>game.
....I try to not get caught out, but sometimes, things pass me by.
For example, when I installed the new printer, I was aware of driverless
printing, but didn't have time to research it - we had a backlog of
printing to do, and ppl were /screaming/ at me to be able to print.
This was family, BTW: *Far* worse than any employer I've ever worked
for. :-D
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent"
/ _)rad "Is it only me that has a working delete key?"
It's the age of destruction, in a world of corruption
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 12:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CKTOp-1hC-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238478 |
On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 08:19:37 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 19:54:23 +0100 > Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote: > > Hello Brian, > > >As I've said previously, a future CUPS will not support printer drivers. > >HPLIP provides printer drivers. There will be little point in Debian > >packaging HPLIP, wouldn't you agree? But this is a few years away. > > When, eventually, all HP printers run driverless _and_ no no-driverless > printer exist 'in the wild', yes. Until then, I'd expect HPLIP to > remain. Debian is, after all, about choice. The condition you lay down in the first sentence is not a factor in determining whether Debian packages HPLIP. HPLIP uses PPDs and drivers; a future CUPS will not work with PPDs and drivers. The choice will be to have a working printing system using driverless or a non-working printing system. -- Brian.
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 14:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CKVdw-2gi-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238497 |
On 2021-08-11, Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote: >> >> When, eventually, all HP printers run driverless _and_ no no-driverless >> printer exist 'in the wild', yes. Until then, I'd expect HPLIP to >> remain. Debian is, after all, about choice. > > The condition you lay down in the first sentence is not a factor in > determining whether Debian packages HPLIP. HPLIP uses PPDs and drivers; > a future CUPS will not work with PPDs and drivers. The choice will be > to have a working printing system using driverless or a non-working > printing system. > Will I have to toss my trusty Brother HL-2030, brother? Fork Cups, I guess, and full speed ahead.
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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CKVnb-2jz-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238505 |
On Wednesday 11 August 2021 08:00:51 Curt wrote: > On 2021-08-11, Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote: > >> When, eventually, all HP printers run driverless _and_ no > >> no-driverless printer exist 'in the wild', yes. Until then, I'd > >> expect HPLIP to remain. Debian is, after all, about choice. > > > > The condition you lay down in the first sentence is not a factor in > > determining whether Debian packages HPLIP. HPLIP uses PPDs and > > drivers; a future CUPS will not work with PPDs and drivers. The > > choice will be to have a working printing system using driverless or > > a non-working printing system. > > Will I have to toss my trusty Brother HL-2030, brother? Fork Cups, I > guess, and full speed ahead. You will have company at that campsite, I'm using 2 brothers ATM, which are working well while a 3rd one languishes because Brother will not sell me, a Certified Electronics Technician, a replacement corona wire generator board. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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| From | Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CKVwS-2mY-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238505 |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2021 12:00:51 -0000 (UTC)
Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote:
Hello Curt,
>Will I have to toss my trusty Brother HL-2030, brother? Fork Cups, I
>guess, and full speed ahead.
Unless I'm reading it wrong (github post Brian cited elsewhere in this
thread), mechanisms are in place for existing printers that require
drivers to continue to be useable.
If that's not the case, I'd expect to see a fork.
--
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/ ) "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent"
/ _)rad "Is it only me that has a working delete key?"
Bet you thought you knew what I was about
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2021-08-11 15:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CKVZT-2Ar-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238513 |
On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 13:20:37 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Wed, 11 Aug 2021 12:00:51 -0000 (UTC) > Curt <curty@free.fr> wrote: > > Hello Curt, > > >Will I have to toss my trusty Brother HL-2030, brother? Fork Cups, I > >guess, and full speed ahead. > > Unless I'm reading it wrong (github post Brian cited elsewhere in this > thread), mechanisms are in place for existing printers that require > drivers to continue to be useable. That is basically correct. The mechanism (a Printer Application) is intended for legacy/classic printers only. > If that's not the case, I'd expect to see a fork. The fork took place a year ago. One of the reasons it was done was to allow us to travel the road we are now on. -- Brian.
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