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| First post | 2021-08-07 10:30 +0200 |
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Re: losetup: cannot find an unused loop device , kernel config of loopback device "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-07 10:30 +0200
Re: losetup: cannot find an unused loop device , kernel config of loopback device Colin Williams <colin.williams.seattle@gmail.com> - 2021-08-07 14:30 +0200
Re: losetup: cannot find an unused loop device , kernel config of loopback device "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-07 15:20 +0200
Re: losetup: cannot find an unused loop device , kernel config of loopback device Colin Williams <colin.williams.seattle@gmail.com> - 2021-08-07 22:50 +0200
Re: losetup: cannot find an unused loop device , kernel config of loopback device Colin Williams <colin.williams.seattle@gmail.com> - 2021-08-08 05:50 +0200
Re: losetup: cannot find an unused loop device , kernel config of loopback device David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-08-07 19:40 +0200
| From | "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-08-07 10:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: losetup: cannot find an unused loop device , kernel config of loopback device |
| Message-ID | <CJpSp-2J1-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
Hi,
Colin Williams:
> 3) When trying to create the loopback device the script tries to use a
> path
> /mnt/host/src/rc/build/images/kukui/R94-14125.0.2021_08_05_1510-a1/chromiumos_base_image.bin
> which does not exist
The error message of losetup does not match this theory.
Did you make sure that the file really does not exist when the losetup
command fails ?
E.g. by performing
ls -ld "${image}"
immediately before
lb_dev=$(sudo losetup --show -f "$@" "${image}")
> Let me know if I need to re-read your email.
Is there a hard reason why you don't show the output of
losetup -l -a
before, after, and maybe during the script run ?
(I'm not alone with this proposal. See
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg00353.html
which was not Cd'ed to you.
)
Have a nice day :)
Thomas
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| From | Colin Williams <colin.williams.seattle@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-08-07 14:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: losetup: cannot find an unused loop device , kernel config of loopback device |
| Message-ID | <CJtCF-4WS-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238311 |
Hi Thomas,
>The error message of losetup does not match this theory.
Re-reading http://ix.io/3v6K and it does appear that possibly
/mnt/src/host/ does exist based on some of the debugging output.
Thanks for making me look back. I made this "theory" on trying to `ls
/mnt/host/src/rc/build/images/kukui/R94-14125.0.2021_08_05_1510-a1/chromiumos_base_image.bin`
after the script had been executed. I received an error the path
didn't exist. But perhaps it was cleaned up after the script finished
executing.
>Is there a hard reason why you don't show the output of losetup -l -a
I will now modify the script and also provide before and after below:
before:
(cr) ((b1688d0...)) colin@M00974055-VM ~/chromiumos/src/scripts $ losetup -l -a
-bash: losetup: command not found
(cr) ((b1688d0...)) colin@M00974055-VM ~/chromiumos/src/scripts $ sudo
losetup -l -a
(cr) ((b1688d0...)) colin@M00974055-VM ~/chromiumos/src/scripts $
no output appears
during:
I've added losetup here:
https://github.com/drocsid/cros-scripts/blob/feature/deb11-II/common.sh#L641
ourput after running ./build_image
https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/docs/+/main/developer_guide.md#Build-a-disk-image-for-your-board
with above changes: http://ix.io/3vfj
after:
colin@M00974055-VM:~/chromiumos/src/scripts$ cat ~/losetup-error.txt |
curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
http://ix.io/3vfj
colin@M00974055-VM:~/chromiumos/src/scripts$ losetup -l -a
-bash: losetup: command not found
colin@M00974055-VM:~/chromiumos/src/scripts$ sudo losetup -l -a
[sudo] password for colin:
colin@M00974055-VM:~/chromiumos/src/scripts$
no output appears.
On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 1:19 AM Thomas Schmitt <scdbackup@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Colin Williams:
> > 3) When trying to create the loopback device the script tries to use a
> > path
> > /mnt/host/src/rc/build/images/kukui/R94-14125.0.2021_08_05_1510-a1/chromiumos_base_image.bin
> > which does not exist
>
> The error message of losetup does not match this theory.
>
> Did you make sure that the file really does not exist when the losetup
> command fails ?
> E.g. by performing
> ls -ld "${image}"
> immediately before
> lb_dev=$(sudo losetup --show -f "$@" "${image}")
>
>
> > Let me know if I need to re-read your email.
>
> Is there a hard reason why you don't show the output of
>
> losetup -l -a
>
> before, after, and maybe during the script run ?
>
> (I'm not alone with this proposal. See
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/08/msg00353.html
> which was not Cd'ed to you.
> )
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>
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| From | "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-08-07 15:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <CJup4-5s6-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238315 |
Hi, Colin Williams wrote: > http://ix.io/3vfj Where i read +++ sudo losetup --show -f /mnt/host/source/src/build/ima ges/kukui/R94-14125.0.2021_08_07_0451-a1/chromiumos_base_ image.bin losetup: cannot find an unused loop device ++ lb_dev= ++ sudo losetup -l -a +++ sudo partx -v -d '' Now that kills the theory about all loop devices being occupied. I had a look into https://sources.debian.org/src/util-linux/2.36.1-7/sys-utils/losetup.c where i find two occurences of "cannot find an unused loop device" Each happens after a call to loopcxt_find_unused() at https://sources.debian.org/src/util-linux/2.36.1-7/lib/loopdev.c/#L1544 which seems to try two different methods to get the number of an unused loop device. No other external reason is to see for getting the losetup error message. Any theory about bad program parameters seems unlikely. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you have a file /dev/loop-control ? What is listed by ls -ld /dev/loop* ? (/dev/loop files do not vanish after losetup -d. So if there are none, then it is likely that there never have been any.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- What happens if you try to create a loop device manually ? not_yet_existing_file="some_file_path" dd if=/dev/zero bs=512 count=2 of="$not_yet_existing_file" sudo losetup loop0 "$not_yet_existing_file" There should be no messages from losetup. sudo wc -c </dev/loop0 should yield "1024". To clean up do: losetup -d /dev/loop0 rm "$not_yet_existing_file" Have a nice day :) Thomas
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| From | Colin Williams <colin.williams.seattle@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-08-07 22:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: losetup: cannot find an unused loop device , kernel config of loopback device |
| Message-ID | <CJBqy-13z-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238318 |
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Do you have a file > /dev/loop-control > ? > > What is listed by > > ls -ld /dev/loop* > colin@M00974055-VM:~$ sudo ls /dev/loop-control [sudo] password for colin: ls: cannot access '/dev/loop-control': No such file or directory colin@M00974055-VM:~$ sudo ls -ld /dev/loop* ls: cannot access '/dev/loop*': No such file or directory > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > What happens if you try to create a loop device manually ? > not_yet_existing_file="some_file_path" dd if=/dev/zero bs=512 count=2 of="$not_yet_existing_file" sudo losetup loop0 "$not_yet_existing_file" not_yet_existing_file="/tmp/does_not_exist_yet" dd if=/dev/zero bs=512 count=2 of="$not_yet_existing_file" sudo losetup loop0 "$not_yet_existing_file" 2+0 records in 2+0 records out 1024 bytes (1.0 kB, 1.0 KiB) copied, 0.000187826 s, 5.5 MB/s losetup: /dev/loop0: failed to set up loop device: No such file or directory > There should be no messages from losetup. But we see one above ^^ > sudo wc -c </dev/loop0 > should yield "1024". sudo wc -c </dev/loop0 bash: /dev/loop0: No such file or directory > To clean up do: > losetup -d /dev/loop0 rm "$not_yet_existing_file" colin@M00974055-VM:~$ sudo losetup -d /dev/loop0 losetup: /dev/loop0: failed to use device: No such device colin@M00974055-VM:~$ rm "$not_yet_existing_file" colin@M00974055-VM:~$ ______________________________________________________________________ > > > Have a nice day :) > > Thomas Thank you Thomas. Thanks again for looking at my issue. Not sure where to go from here. ________________________________________________________________________ colin@M00974055-VM:~$ uname -r 5.10.0-3-amd64 colin@M00974055-VM:~$ cat /etc/debian_version 11.0colin@M00974055-VM:~$ lsmod | grep loop colin@M00974055-VM:~$ sudo modprobe loop colin@M00974055-VM:~$ lsmod | grep loop loop 36864 0 colin@M00974055-VM:~$ dd if=/dev/zero bs=512 count=2 of="$not_yet_existing_file" 2+0 records in 2+0 records out 1024 bytes (1.0 kB, 1.0 KiB) copied, 0.000134838 s, 7.6 MB/s colin@M00974055-VM:~$ sudo losetup loop0 "$not_yet_existing_file" No error here ^^ Guess we needed to load the module? colin@M00974055-VM:~$ sudo wc -c </dev/loop0 bash: /dev/loop0: Permission denied colin@M00974055-VM:~$ sudo -i root@M00974055-VM:~# wc -c </dev/loop0 1024 root@M00974055-VM: wc -c </dev/loop0 1024 root@M00974055-VM:~# losetup -d /dev/loop0 rm "$not_yet_existing_file" rm: cannot remove '': No such file or directory I think we are on to something after loading the module _____________________________________________________________ I re-ran the script after the module. It looks like it's making more progress but still getting an eventual error related to loopback devices: http://ix.io/3vi8 ^^ This is probably the most useful to look at moving forward ^^ Now I will re-run the inital commands below sudo ls -ld /dev/loop* brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 0 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 12 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p1 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 21 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p10 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 22 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p11 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 23 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p12 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 13 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p2 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 14 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p3 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 15 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p4 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 16 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p5 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 17 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p6 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 18 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p7 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 19 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p8 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 20 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p9 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 1 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 0 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p1 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 9 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p10 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 10 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p11 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 11 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p12 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 1 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p2 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 2 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p3 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 3 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p4 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 4 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p5 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 5 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p6 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 6 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p7 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 7 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p8 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 8 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p9 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 2 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 24 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p1 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 33 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p10 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 34 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p11 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 35 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p12 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 25 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p2 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 26 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p3 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 27 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p4 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 28 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p5 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 29 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p6 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 30 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p7 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 31 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p8 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 32 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p9 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 3 Aug 7 12:59 /dev/loop3 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 4 Aug 7 12:59 /dev/loop4 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 5 Aug 7 12:59 /dev/loop5 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 6 Aug 7 12:59 /dev/loop6 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 7 Aug 7 12:59 /dev/loop7 crw-rw---- 1 root disk 10, 237 Aug 7 12:59 /dev/loop-control (cr) (feature/deb11-II) colin@M00974055-VM ~/chromiumos/src/scripts $ sudo ls /dev/loop-control /dev/loop-control _________________________________________________________________
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| From | Colin Williams <colin.williams.seattle@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-08-08 05:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: losetup: cannot find an unused loop device , kernel config of loopback device |
| Message-ID | <CJHYZ-53g-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238351 |
I seem to have resolved the issue above after rebooting. Thanks for helping to debug Thomas and everyone. On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 1:29 PM Colin Williams <colin.williams.seattle@gmail.com> wrote: > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Do you have a file > > /dev/loop-control > > ? > > > > What is listed by > > > > ls -ld /dev/loop* > > > > colin@M00974055-VM:~$ sudo ls /dev/loop-control > [sudo] password for colin: > ls: cannot access '/dev/loop-control': No such file or directory > colin@M00974055-VM:~$ sudo ls -ld /dev/loop* > ls: cannot access '/dev/loop*': No such file or directory > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > What happens if you try to create a loop device manually ? > > > > not_yet_existing_file="some_file_path" > dd if=/dev/zero bs=512 count=2 of="$not_yet_existing_file" > sudo losetup loop0 "$not_yet_existing_file" > > not_yet_existing_file="/tmp/does_not_exist_yet" > dd if=/dev/zero bs=512 count=2 of="$not_yet_existing_file" > sudo losetup loop0 "$not_yet_existing_file" > 2+0 records in > 2+0 records out > 1024 bytes (1.0 kB, 1.0 KiB) copied, 0.000187826 s, 5.5 MB/s > losetup: /dev/loop0: failed to set up loop device: No such file or directory > > > There should be no messages from losetup. > > But we see one above ^^ > > > sudo wc -c </dev/loop0 > > should yield "1024". > > sudo wc -c </dev/loop0 > bash: /dev/loop0: No such file or directory > > > > To clean up do: > > > losetup -d /dev/loop0 > rm "$not_yet_existing_file" > > > colin@M00974055-VM:~$ sudo losetup -d /dev/loop0 > losetup: /dev/loop0: failed to use device: No such device > colin@M00974055-VM:~$ rm "$not_yet_existing_file" > colin@M00974055-VM:~$ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Have a nice day :) > > > > Thomas > > > Thank you Thomas. Thanks again for looking at my issue. Not sure where > to go from here. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > colin@M00974055-VM:~$ uname -r > 5.10.0-3-amd64 > colin@M00974055-VM:~$ cat /etc/debian_version > 11.0colin@M00974055-VM:~$ lsmod | grep loop > colin@M00974055-VM:~$ sudo modprobe loop > colin@M00974055-VM:~$ lsmod | grep loop > loop 36864 0 > colin@M00974055-VM:~$ dd if=/dev/zero bs=512 count=2 of="$not_yet_existing_file" > 2+0 records in > 2+0 records out > 1024 bytes (1.0 kB, 1.0 KiB) copied, 0.000134838 s, 7.6 MB/s > colin@M00974055-VM:~$ sudo losetup loop0 "$not_yet_existing_file" > > No error here ^^ Guess we needed to load the module? > > colin@M00974055-VM:~$ sudo wc -c </dev/loop0 > bash: /dev/loop0: Permission denied > colin@M00974055-VM:~$ sudo -i > root@M00974055-VM:~# wc -c </dev/loop0 > 1024 > root@M00974055-VM: > > > wc -c </dev/loop0 > 1024 > root@M00974055-VM:~# losetup -d /dev/loop0 > rm "$not_yet_existing_file" > rm: cannot remove '': No such file or directory > > I think we are on to something after loading the module > > _____________________________________________________________ > > I re-ran the script after the module. It looks like it's making more > progress but still getting an eventual error related to loopback > devices: > > http://ix.io/3vi8 > > > ^^ This is probably the most useful to look at moving forward ^^ > > Now I will re-run the inital commands below > > sudo ls -ld /dev/loop* > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 0 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 12 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p1 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 21 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p10 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 22 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p11 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 23 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p12 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 13 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p2 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 14 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p3 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 15 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p4 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 16 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p5 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 17 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p6 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 18 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p7 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 19 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p8 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 20 Aug 7 13:07 /dev/loop0p9 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 1 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 0 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p1 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 9 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p10 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 10 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p11 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 11 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p12 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 1 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p2 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 2 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p3 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 3 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p4 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 4 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p5 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 5 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p6 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 6 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p7 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 7 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p8 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 8 Aug 7 13:01 /dev/loop1p9 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 2 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 24 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p1 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 33 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p10 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 34 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p11 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 35 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p12 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 25 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p2 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 26 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p3 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 27 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p4 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 28 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p5 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 29 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p6 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 30 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p7 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 31 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p8 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 259, 32 Aug 7 13:09 /dev/loop2p9 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 3 Aug 7 12:59 /dev/loop3 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 4 Aug 7 12:59 /dev/loop4 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 5 Aug 7 12:59 /dev/loop5 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 6 Aug 7 12:59 /dev/loop6 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 7, 7 Aug 7 12:59 /dev/loop7 > crw-rw---- 1 root disk 10, 237 Aug 7 12:59 /dev/loop-control > (cr) (feature/deb11-II) colin@M00974055-VM ~/chromiumos/src/scripts $ > sudo ls /dev/loop-control > /dev/loop-control > > > _________________________________________________________________
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2021-08-07 19:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: losetup: cannot find an unused loop device , kernel config of loopback device |
| Message-ID | <CJysG-7Mg-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #238315 |
On Sat 07 Aug 2021 at 05:03:10 (-0700), Colin Williams wrote:
> >The error message of losetup does not match this theory.
>
> Re-reading http://ix.io/3v6K and it does appear that possibly
> /mnt/src/host/ does exist based on some of the debugging output.
> Thanks for making me look back. I made this "theory" on trying to `ls
> /mnt/host/src/rc/build/images/kukui/R94-14125.0.2021_08_05_1510-a1/chromiumos_base_image.bin`
↑↑
Is this a typo. This is the second time of posting:
> after the script had been executed. I received an error the path
> didn't exist. But perhaps it was cleaned up after the script finished
> executing.
>
> On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 1:19 AM Thomas Schmitt <scdbackup@gmx.net> wrote:
> > Colin Williams:
> > > 3) When trying to create the loopback device the script tries to use a
> > > path
> > > /mnt/host/src/rc/build/images/kukui/R94-14125.0.2021_08_05_1510-a1/chromiumos_base_image.bin
> > > which does not exist
Cheers,
David.
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