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  Gnome desktop removal messed up machine Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> - 2021-08-04 10:20 +0200
    Re: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-04 12:30 +0200
      Re: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine Christian Britz <cbritz@t-online.de> - 2021-08-04 12:40 +0200
        Re: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-04 12:50 +0200
        Re: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-08-04 18:00 +0200
          Re: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-04 18:40 +0200
            Re: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-08-04 21:40 +0200
    Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> - 2021-08-05 10:00 +0200
    Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> - 2021-08-05 10:10 +0200
      Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-05 12:20 +0200
        Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-05 14:00 +0200
          Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-08-05 14:50 +0200
            Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-05 18:10 +0200
            Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine Charlie <taoquester@gmail.com> - 2021-08-06 07:40 +0200
              Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-08-06 09:40 +0200
                Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-06 10:00 +0200
                  Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-08-06 10:20 +0200
                    Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-08-06 11:40 +0200
                  Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-08-09 08:40 +0200

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I forgot to tell:
The machine got some crisis because I removed Gnome desktop in a some wrong
way in root in Terminal;
# apt remove task-gnome-desktop

Please advice how tide up again.
Gunnar

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Hi,

On 2021-08-04 4:11 a.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> I forgot to tell:
> The machine got some crisis because I removed Gnome desktop in a some
I think you may have a personal crisis.
But something for sure, you already wrote a message on this subject.

Waiting for a answer and not flooding would be a good idea.

If you want people to help you out, act accordingly.

You are not at Microsoft technical support here.

People are all volunteer so the nicer you make yourself, the more chance
you have people will help you.
> wrong way in root in Terminal;
> # apt remove task-gnome-desktop
> 
> Please advice how tide up again.
> Gunnar

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-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#238124

On 04.08.21 12:24 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> I think you may have a personal crisis.
> But something for sure, you already wrote a message on this subject.
>
Or it is sophisticated trolling.

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#238128

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Hi,

On 2021-08-04 6:35 a.m., Christian Britz wrote:
> 
> 
> On 04.08.21 12:24 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>> I think you may have a personal crisis.
>> But something for sure, you already wrote a message on this subject.
>>
> Or it is sophisticated trolling.
> 
Or a type of childish behavior of someone wanting help but not making
effort.

Before doing something, it's somewhat needed to plan ahead. (Not only
ask for help when it goes bad).

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#238137

On Wed 04 Aug 2021 at 12:35:47 (+0200), Christian Britz wrote:
> On 04.08.21 12:24 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> > I think you may have a personal crisis.
> > But something for sure, you already wrote a message on this subject.
> > 
> Or it is sophisticated trolling.

Possibly, but the OP has posted that they wish to "build websites"
and have "Heard about Wordpress". So perhaps they think that they
have stumbled on a site where they can blog to their heart's content.
It's ironic that their first post here was
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/07/msg00105.html
considering that they alone sent 11 posts on Monday. At least they
were mainly replies: between July 22–29, they posted 12 new threads.

Cheers,
David.

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#238141

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Hi,

On 2021-08-04 11:54 a.m., David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 04 Aug 2021 at 12:35:47 (+0200), Christian Britz wrote:
>> On 04.08.21 12:24 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>>> I think you may have a personal crisis.
>>> But something for sure, you already wrote a message on this subject.
>>>
>> Or it is sophisticated trolling.
> 
> Possibly, but the OP has posted that they wish to "build websites"
> and have "Heard about Wordpress". So perhaps they think that they
> have stumbled on a site where they can blog to their heart's content.
I've tried politely to explain to this concept and that people will just
ignore on the long term if he doesn't "Straighten up".

> It's ironic that their first post here was
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/07/msg00105.html
> considering that they alone sent 11 posts on Monday. At least they
> were mainly replies: between July 22–29, they posted 12 new threads.
> 
I think that's the perfect example of "Irony".

Maybe we shall vote to create a new Debian mailing list sending all the
messages to /dev/null ?
> Cheers,
> David.
> 

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Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#238159

On Wed 04 Aug 2021 at 12:31:43 (-0400), Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> On 2021-08-04 11:54 a.m., David Wright wrote:
> > On Wed 04 Aug 2021 at 12:35:47 (+0200), Christian Britz wrote:
> >> On 04.08.21 12:24 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> >>> I think you may have a personal crisis.
> >>> But something for sure, you already wrote a message on this subject.
> >>>
> >> Or it is sophisticated trolling.
> > 
> > Possibly, but the OP has posted that they wish to "build websites"
> > and have "Heard about Wordpress". So perhaps they think that they
> > have stumbled on a site where they can blog to their heart's content.
> I've tried politely to explain to this concept and that people will just
> ignore on the long term if he doesn't "Straighten up".

I was trying to be positive, guessing what their motives might be in
posting thus. I wish I could think of clever jokes like Thomas Schmitt's
instead.

I won't comment on your educational methods.

> > It's ironic that their first post here was
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/07/msg00105.html
> > considering that they alone sent 11 posts on Monday. At least they
> > were mainly replies: between July 22–29, they posted 12 new threads.
> > 
> I think that's the perfect example of "Irony".
> 
> Maybe we shall vote to create a new Debian mailing list sending all the
> messages to /dev/null ?

No need, just look at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plonk_(Usenet)
I'm sure many people have had me in their kill file for years.

But if you find the flow of messages overwhelming, it might help you
if you don't reply to them so hastily. You might receive more
information in the meantime, and even if you don't, somebody else
might throw in an answer.

Cheers,
David.

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#238182 — Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

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Steve,
Thx for the tip.
I'll test Devuan a bit later;
so far it looks all doable in Debian i386 Xfce i686 pae chosen (under
"Advanced" in startup) with some Gnome packages added. Cos I must work,
too, with what I have now.
I am grateful a 14 year old Mac can work as good as this does; looking
good, & solvable issues.
BR,
Gunnar

On Wed, 4 Aug 2021, 22:03 Steve Litt, <slitt@troubleshooters.com> wrote:

> Hi Gunnar,
>
> Gnome depends very much on systemd, and probably vice versa. It doesn't
> surprise me at all that Debian doesn't work without Gnome, or at least
> without a lot of hoop-jumping.
>
> You might want to try Devuan, which is basically Debian without
> systemd, and then use a window manager or desktop environment that is
> not Gnome. I think Devuan's default is XFCE.
>
> Steve Litt
>
>
>
> Gunnar Gervin said on Wed, 4 Aug 2021 11:11:49 +0300
>
> >I forgot to tell:
> >The machine got some crisis because I removed Gnome desktop in a some
> >wrong way in root in Terminal;
> ># apt remove task-gnome-desktop
> >
> >Please advice how tide up again.
> >Gunnar
>

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#238185 — Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

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Steve.
At least Debian works better in this old Mac best of all else I've tried.
Debian is very instructive, which in itself is an argument to use it for a
newbie in IT & Linux.
BR,
Gunnar.
PS.
And level of patience, respect & even humility is a bit higher here than
the smaller, also quick response, helpsite I used in another Linux distro.
That bit is necessary for me to keep focus.
DS.

On Wed, 4 Aug 2021, 22:03 Steve Litt, <slitt@troubleshooters.com> wrote:

> Hi Gunnar,
>
> Gnome depends very much on systemd, and probably vice versa. It doesn't
> surprise me at all that Debian doesn't work without Gnome, or at least
> without a lot of hoop-jumping.
>
> You might want to try Devuan, which is basically Debian without
> systemd, and then use a window manager or desktop environment that is
> not Gnome. I think Devuan's default is XFCE.
>
> Steve Litt
>
>
>
> Gunnar Gervin said on Wed, 4 Aug 2021 11:11:49 +0300
>
> >I forgot to tell:
> >The machine got some crisis because I removed Gnome desktop in a some
> >wrong way in root in Terminal;
> ># apt remove task-gnome-desktop
> >
> >Please advice how tide up again.
> >Gunnar
>

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#238194 — Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

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Hi,

On 2021-08-05 4:06 a.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> Steve.
> At least Debian works better in this old Mac best of all else I've
> tried. Debian is very instructive, which in itself is an argument to use
> it for a newbie in IT & Linux.
> BR,
> Gunnar.
> PS.
> And level of patience, respect & even humility is a bit higher here than
> the smaller, also quick response, helpsite I used in another Linux
> distro. That bit is necessary for me to keep focus.
> DS.
> 
> On Wed, 4 Aug 2021, 22:03 Steve Litt, <slitt@troubleshooters.com
> <mailto:slitt@troubleshooters.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Gunnar,
> 
>     Gnome depends very much on systemd, and probably vice versa. It doesn't
>     surprise me at all that Debian doesn't work without Gnome, or at least
>     without a lot of hoop-jumping.
> 
Total false statement and non-sense.

There's many and many more Debian server running without Gnome. Some of
them don't even have a video card connected to a monitor.

You can choose during installation of Debian to use XFCE as desktop
manager without installing Gnome.

There's even a Debian live disk (DVD/USB stick) that runs XFCE, you can
use this one to try out and install from it after.

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-10.10.0-amd64-xfce.iso

And even better

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-10.10.0-amd64-standard.iso

The last one is without any type of desktop manager at all.

>     You might want to try Devuan, which is basically Debian without
>     systemd, and then use a window manager or desktop environment that is
>     not Gnome. I think Devuan's default is XFCE.

> 
>     Steve Litt
> 
> 
> 
>     Gunnar Gervin said on Wed, 4 Aug 2021 11:11:49 +0300
> 
>     >I forgot to tell:
>     >The machine got some crisis because I removed Gnome desktop in a some
>     >wrong way in root in Terminal;
>     ># apt remove task-gnome-desktop
>     >
>     >Please advice how tide up again.
>     >Gunnar
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#238199 — Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

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On Thu, Aug 05, 2021 at 06:10:01AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 2021-08-05 4:06 a.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> > Steve.
> > At least Debian works better in this old Mac best of all else I've
> > tried. Debian is very instructive, which in itself is an argument to use
> > it for a newbie in IT & Linux.
> > BR,
> > Gunnar.
> > PS.
> > And level of patience, respect & even humility is a bit higher here than
> > the smaller, also quick response, helpsite I used in another Linux
> > distro. That bit is necessary for me to keep focus.
> > DS.
> > 
> > On Wed, 4 Aug 2021, 22:03 Steve Litt, <slitt@troubleshooters.com
> > <mailto:slitt@troubleshooters.com>> wrote:
> > 
> >     Hi Gunnar,
> > 
> >     Gnome depends very much on systemd, and probably vice versa. It doesn't
> >     surprise me at all that Debian doesn't work without Gnome, or at least
> >     without a lot of hoop-jumping.
> > 
> Total false statement and non-sense.
> 
> There's many and many more Debian server running without Gnome. Some of
> them don't even have a video card connected to a monitor.

FWIW: my laptop runs wth SysV init, no Gnome (actually no desktop
environment), but with X and a window manager (Fvwm). It's not
always "obvious", but it is definitely doable. Debian's happy.

Cheers
 - t

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#238207 — Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

On Thu, Aug 05, 2021 at 01:49:50PM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> FWIW: my laptop runs wth SysV init, no Gnome (actually no desktop
> environment), but with X and a window manager (Fvwm). It's not
> always "obvious", but it is definitely doable. Debian's happy.

And I'm using fvwm with systemd.

There are lots of choices.  This is what makes Debian the "universal
operating system".

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#238217 — Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

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Hi,

On 2021-08-05 8:44 a.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 05, 2021 at 01:49:50PM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> FWIW: my laptop runs wth SysV init, no Gnome (actually no desktop
>> environment), but with X and a window manager (Fvwm). It's not
>> always "obvious", but it is definitely doable. Debian's happy.
> 
> And I'm using fvwm with systemd.
> 
> There are lots of choices.  This is what makes Debian the "universal
> operating system".
> 
I believe this is the power of Debian.
Got short on memory, use only a windows manager or even no GUI at all.
Want something more similar to Windows, use KDE or another complete
desktop environment.

Run all of these for different use (choosing in the display manager, GDM
or other).

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#238242 — Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

	On Thu, 5 Aug 2021 08:44:58 -0400 Greg Informed me about Re:
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> And I'm using fvwm with systemd.

+1

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#238252 — Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

Charlie <taoquester@gmail.com> writes:

> 	On Thu, 5 Aug 2021 08:44:58 -0400 Greg Informed me about Re:
> 	OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine
>
>> And I'm using fvwm with systemd.
>
> +1

:) Awesome Window Manager here, with systemd. I used to use fvwm for
quite some time but fiddling with windows felt like work so after a few
tries went with Awesome which is a tiling window manager and mostly
decides what size windows should be.

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#238255 — Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

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On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 10:36:23AM +0300, Anssi Saari wrote:
> Charlie <taoquester@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > 	On Thu, 5 Aug 2021 08:44:58 -0400 Greg Informed me about Re:
> > 	OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine
> >
> >> And I'm using fvwm with systemd.
> >
> > +1
> 
> :) Awesome Window Manager here, with systemd. I used to use fvwm for
> quite some time but fiddling with windows felt like work so after a few
> tries went with Awesome which is a tiling window manager and mostly
> decides what size windows should be.

It's fascinating how differently brains seem to be wired up. Awesome's
idea convinced me at first sight. So after my DE excursion (Gnome, then
XFCE, and deciding that no, I don't want anyone mounting my USB sticks
for me or limiting what I can do with my keyboard) I tried Awesome for
a while. I never got the hang of it.

Then I (re)discovered Fvwm.

I'm an old guy and have seen lots of things. By now, I'm convinced that
brains are "wired" in quite diverse ways [1], and that things like work
environments (programming languages being part of a work environment)
should be equally diverse.

All those "wars" in the hope that The One Right Way "wins" are tragic
wastes of time, human energy and goodwill. Perhaps they stem from former
times, of big armies or worker cohorts. I don't know.

Cheers

[1] Actually, my "hunch" (I don't dare call it a theory) is a bit
   more complex, but for a nutshell, "wired" is good enough.

 - t

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#238257 — Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

On Fri, 6 Aug 2021 09:58:42 +0200
<tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:


> 
> All those "wars" in the hope that The One Right Way "wins" are tragic
> wastes of time, human energy and goodwill. Perhaps they stem from
> former times, of big armies or worker cohorts. I don't know.
> 

You must admit that there's a lot less wear and tear on human bodies
than in war, or even in sport. 

Maybe politicians should Learn To Code...

-- 
Joe

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#238261 — Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

On 8/6/21 11:18 AM, Joe wrote:
> You must admit that there's a lot less wear and tear on human bodies than in war, or even in sport


  - wear & tear : hectic weather :


<https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/8/6/atlantic-ocean-currents-weaken-signalling-big-weather>


......

  regards

.

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#238376 — Re: OFFLIST: Gnome desktop removal messed up machine

<tomas@tuxteam.de> writes:

> It's fascinating how differently brains seem to be wired up. Awesome's
> idea convinced me at first sight. So after my DE excursion (Gnome, then
> XFCE, and deciding that no, I don't want anyone mounting my USB sticks
> for me or limiting what I can do with my keyboard) I tried Awesome for
> a while. I never got the hang of it.

Well, it wasn't a straight transition for me either. I tried at least
dwm before Awesome and I'm fairly sure one or two other tiling
WMs. Awesome clicked while the others felt more DIY than I like. I think
I understood the idea of being able to tag apps and in that way easily
select what apps are visible when I choose a tag. That wasn't easy to
setup though so it came later.

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