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  HOW ' s Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> - 2021-08-04 10:10 +0200
    How to change desktop [ was Re: HOW ' s] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-04 12:30 +0200
    How to change Gnome Keyboard [ was Re: HOW ' s] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-04 12:30 +0200
    Re: HOW ' s Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2021-08-04 14:50 +0200
      Re: HOW change keyboard Gunnar Gervin <dofeelok@gmail.com> - 2021-08-05 10:40 +0200
        Re: HOW change keyboard <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-05 11:00 +0200
        Re: HOW change keyboard Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-05 12:20 +0200

#238115 — HOW ' s

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Hi.

gone @ $ € (wrong keyboard)
How it happened:
During Debian installation, I chose a linux version 4.19.0-17-686-pae from
a mirror.
I lost (nb.UTF-8 or similar) setup (Norwegian bokmål) in
Macintosh-no-dead-keys.
I couldn't find a list of available keyboards in Gnome desktop, then
recalled I found it in Xfce once before (hopefully in Debian) so I wrote in
Terminal:
su
root password
# apt install task-xfce-desktop
then tried to remove the Gnome desktop, wrote:
# apt remove task-gnome-desktop
Terminal responded but nothing happened; Gnome not removed, Xfce not
visible.
Tried Synaptic, it said it would not execute actions unless I remove
Wayland. How?
I can learn to use the Gnome desktop, but I really need to change this
keyboard.
BR,
Gunnar

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#238120 — How to change desktop [ was Re: HOW ' s]

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Hi,

On 2021-08-04 6:22 a.m., mick crane wrote:
> On 2021-08-04 09:04, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> <snipped>
>> # apt install task-xfce-desktop
>> then tried to remove the Gnome desktop, wrote:
>> # apt remove task-gnome-desktop
>> Terminal responded but nothing happened; Gnome not removed, Xfce not
>> visible.
>> Tried Synaptic, it said it would not execute actions unless I remove
>> Wayland. How?
>> I can learn to use the Gnome desktop, but I really need to change this
>> keyboard.
> 
> I don't know that you can change desktop without reboot, never tried.
He's asking on how to change keyboard.

Yes you can change desktop manager without doing a reboot.

https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/how-to-change-desktop-environment-xinitrc-and-xsession-164397/

Xinitrc is simply a launcher for a series of script that will launch the
X server and the desktop environment (or window manager behind).

> Probably you will need a desktop manager.
> I usually type
> "apt search the-name-of-the-program" and see if it says "installed" or not.
Great, he now knows how to search if a program is installed.
> 
> mick

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#238122 — How to change Gnome Keyboard [ was Re: HOW ' s]

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Hi,

PS: Useful title make it easier for other to know what you ask for.

Please think a minute and use common sense.


On 2021-08-04 4:04 a.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> gone @ $€ (wrong keyboard)
> How it happened: 
> During Debian installation, I chose a linux version 4.19.0-17-686-pae
> from a mirror.
> I lost (nb.UTF-8 or similar) setup (Norwegian bokmål) in
> Macintosh-no-dead-keys.
> I couldn't find a list of available keyboards in Gnome desktop, then
> recalled I found it in Xfce once before (hopefully in Debian) so I wrote
> in Terminal: 
> su
> root password
> # apt install task-xfce-desktop
> then tried to remove the Gnome desktop, wrote:
> # apt remove task-gnome-desktop
> Terminal responded but nothing happened; Gnome not removed, Xfce not
> visible.
> Tried Synaptic, it said it would not execute actions unless I remove
> Wayland. How?
1st "task-gnome-desktop" is only a reference (virtual package). It's a
empty package that has dependencies on all the packages needed to run
Gnome Desktop.
> I can learn to use the Gnome desktop, but I really need to change this
> keyboard.
Yes you can learn Gnome desktop.
Have you tried searching on Google "how to change keyboard in Gnome" ?
I've just did so and got at least 20 different simple explanation.

https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/keyboard-layouts.html.en

https://askubuntu.com/questions/41480/how-do-i-change-my-keyboard-layout-in-gnome-shell

Also, removing a package for the sole purpose of changing the keyboard
seem to me like the worst way of doing things.
Maybe you shall chill down a bit and try doing some research.

Also, most of us here speak mostly English. If you want to have your
answer in norvegian then it will be hard. So you'd better keep your
localisation (the texts in which the software display itself) in English.
This doesn't prevent you from changing the keyboard.

Also, have you took time to read the Debian wiki BEFORE doing what you did ?

https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard

This shall be a good start. Another one would be reading the Debian
Handbook and user manual, again BEFORE trying to do stuff.

It's not because help is available and menu exists that make the process
seem like a click yes, click yes, click yes, click no. That it's a good
way to do. May starting to get good habits BEFORE really getting into a
mess.

https://debian-handbook.info/

https://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals

aka RTFM
> BR,
> Gunnar
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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#238133

Gunnar Gervin schrieb:

> Subject: HOW ' s

Please use a subject that describes your problem. "HOW's" ist not
better than "(unknown)" or "/&%!"§%&/!"%/&§".

> gone @ $ € (wrong keyboard)

Please try do describe your problem so that it's easy to understand.

Does your keyboard miss keys?
Did you change your keyboard and connect a wrong one?
I don't think so.

> How it happened:
> During Debian installation, I chose a linux version 4.19.0-17-686-pae from
> a mirror.

Your choice of Linux kernel should not have any significance for your
keyboard or locale.

> I lost (nb.UTF-8 or similar) setup (Norwegian bokmål) in
> Macintosh-no-dead-keys.

Please try do describe your problem so that it's easy to understand.
(<http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>)

What did you "lose" where?
What did you expect, and what did you get?
What has changed?

Do you miss the nb.UTF-8 locale? Try "dpkg-reconfigure locales" as
root and select that locale.

> I couldn't find a list of available keyboards in Gnome desktop, then
> recalled I found it in Xfce once before (hopefully in Debian)

It does not seem like a good idea to deinstall Gnome just because you
might recall having found "keyboards" sowewhere else.

> so I wrote in
> Terminal:
> su
> root password
> # apt install task-xfce-desktop
> then tried to remove the Gnome desktop, wrote:
> # apt remove task-gnome-desktop
> Terminal responded but nothing happened; Gnome not removed, Xfce not
> visible.

It seems reasonable that you won't see changes without logging out and
in again.

> I can learn to use the Gnome desktop, but I really need to change this
> keyboard.

Than, perhaps, you should start with learning how to change the
"keyboard"?

-thh

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#238190 — Re: HOW change keyboard

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How do I change keyboard in Xfce desktop?

History/what I did:

Chosen keyboard (in setup during installation process) disappeared/changed
into a keyboard without keys: " @ $ € "

Maybe it happened  because I chose
" i686 pae " (or similar name)
under "advanced" (option 2) in start-up of the machine. Of course I can try
reboot in default
But I want try this "i686 pae", & also to see if a keyboard list is
somewhere in Xfce or via a program in Synaptic or Terminal.
Because I do need sometimes to switch to a Greek keyboard. Sorry for my bad
English.
BR,
Gunnar

On Wed, 4 Aug 2021, 15:48 Thomas Hochstein, <thh@thh.name> wrote:

> Gunnar Gervin schrieb:
>
> > Subject: HOW ' s
>
> Please use a subject that describes your problem. "HOW's" ist not
> better than "(unknown)" or "/&%!"§%&/!"%/&§".
>
> > gone @ $ € (wrong keyboard)
>
> Please try do describe your problem so that it's easy to understand.
>
> Does your keyboard miss keys?
> Did you change your keyboard and connect a wrong one?
> I don't think so.
>
> > How it happened:
> > During Debian installation, I chose a linux version 4.19.0-17-686-pae
> from
> > a mirror.
>
> Your choice of Linux kernel should not have any significance for your
> keyboard or locale.
>
> > I lost (nb.UTF-8 or similar) setup (Norwegian bokmål) in
> > Macintosh-no-dead-keys.
>
> Please try do describe your problem so that it's easy to understand.
> (<http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>)
>
> What did you "lose" where?
> What did you expect, and what did you get?
> What has changed?
>
> Do you miss the nb.UTF-8 locale? Try "dpkg-reconfigure locales" as
> root and select that locale.
>
> > I couldn't find a list of available keyboards in Gnome desktop, then
> > recalled I found it in Xfce once before (hopefully in Debian)
>
> It does not seem like a good idea to deinstall Gnome just because you
> might recall having found "keyboards" sowewhere else.
>
> > so I wrote in
> > Terminal:
> > su
> > root password
> > # apt install task-xfce-desktop
> > then tried to remove the Gnome desktop, wrote:
> > # apt remove task-gnome-desktop
> > Terminal responded but nothing happened; Gnome not removed, Xfce not
> > visible.
>
> It seems reasonable that you won't see changes without logging out and
> in again.
>
> > I can learn to use the Gnome desktop, but I really need to change this
> > keyboard.
>
> Than, perhaps, you should start with learning how to change the
> "keyboard"?
>
> -thh
>
>

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#238191 — Re: HOW change keyboard

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On Thu, Aug 05, 2021 at 11:31:42AM +0300, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> How do I change keyboard in Xfce desktop?
> 
> History/what I did:
> 
> Chosen keyboard (in setup during installation process) disappeared/changed
> into a keyboard without keys: " @ $ € "

For Debian, the relevant package is `keyboard-configuration', which is
probably installed already on your system.

If you are somewhat comfortable with a console, you might want to try:

  sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration

You will get a big list of possible keyboard configurations. Among them,
there are a few Mac-ish options. I see the following in my distro:

    MacBook/MacBook Pro
    MacBook/MacBook Pro (intl.)
    Macintosh
    Macintosh Old

Unfortunately, I can't tell you which one to use, since I have no Macs
at home :)

Have a look at the Debian wiki page on keyboards [1], there might be
useful info for you.

> Maybe it happened  because I chose
> " i686 pae " (or similar name)
> under "advanced" (option 2) in start-up of the machine. Of course I can try
> reboot in default

Most definitely not. You can choose processor architecture independently
of keyboard layout.

> But I want try this "i686 pae", & also to see if a keyboard list is
> somewhere in Xfce or via a program in Synaptic or Terminal.

I'm sure Xfce has some app to choose the keyboard, as an alternative
to my proposal above.

> Because I do need sometimes to switch to a Greek keyboard. Sorry for my bad
> English.

Oh -- I do have a configuration where I can switch between Latin and
Greek. But be warned, I don't use a desktop environment, just plain X
and a window manager (I seem to be too stupid for DEs, I tried some).

And don't worry about your English. It is adequate.

Cheers

[1] https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard

 - tomás

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#238195 — Re: HOW change keyboard

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Hi,

On 2021-08-05 4:31 a.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> How do I change keyboard in Xfce desktop?
> 
> History/what I did:
> 
> Chosen keyboard (in setup during installation process)
> disappeared/changed into a keyboard without keys: " @ $ € "
> 
> Maybe it happened  because I chose 
> " i686 pae " (or similar name)
> under "advanced" (option 2) in start-up of the machine. Of course I can
> try reboot in default
> But I want try this "i686 pae", & also to see if a keyboard list is
Have you tried searching for what does "i686 PAE" means ?

PAE = Physicial Adress Extension, it's a way to access memory in your
computer.

Has nothing related to keyboard choices.

You should be able to change from one keyboard selection to another once
they are configured.

How to change keyboard layout in XFCE (1st choice after searching in Google)

https://docs.slackware.com/howtos:window_managers:keyboard_layout_in_xfce

Comes from Slackware docs but applies to Debian. It's the same XFCE,
there's not different XFCE between all the other distribution.

> somewhere in Xfce or via a program in Synaptic or Terminal.
> Because I do need sometimes to switch to a Greek keyboard. Sorry for my
> bad English.
> BR,
> Gunnar
> 
> On Wed, 4 Aug 2021, 15:48 Thomas Hochstein, <thh@thh.name
> <mailto:thh@thh.name>> wrote:
> 
>     Gunnar Gervin schrieb:
> 
>     > Subject: HOW ' s
> 
>     Please use a subject that describes your problem. "HOW's" ist not
>     better than "(unknown)" or "/&%!"§%&/!"%/&§".
> 
>     > gone @ $ € (wrong keyboard)
> 
>     Please try do describe your problem so that it's easy to understand.
> 
>     Does your keyboard miss keys?
>     Did you change your keyboard and connect a wrong one?
>     I don't think so.
> 
>     > How it happened:
>     > During Debian installation, I chose a linux version
>     4.19.0-17-686-pae from
>     > a mirror.
> 
>     Your choice of Linux kernel should not have any significance for your
>     keyboard or locale.
> 
>     > I lost (nb.UTF-8 or similar) setup (Norwegian bokmål) in
>     > Macintosh-no-dead-keys.
> 
>     Please try do describe your problem so that it's easy to understand.
>     (<http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>     <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>>)
> 
>     What did you "lose" where?
>     What did you expect, and what did you get?
>     What has changed?
> 
>     Do you miss the nb.UTF-8 locale? Try "dpkg-reconfigure locales" as
>     root and select that locale.
> 
>     > I couldn't find a list of available keyboards in Gnome desktop, then
>     > recalled I found it in Xfce once before (hopefully in Debian)
> 
>     It does not seem like a good idea to deinstall Gnome just because you
>     might recall having found "keyboards" sowewhere else.
> 
>     > so I wrote in
>     > Terminal:
>     > su
>     > root password
>     > # apt install task-xfce-desktop
>     > then tried to remove the Gnome desktop, wrote:
>     > # apt remove task-gnome-desktop
>     > Terminal responded but nothing happened; Gnome not removed, Xfce not
>     > visible.
> 
>     It seems reasonable that you won't see changes without logging out and
>     in again.
> 
>     > I can learn to use the Gnome desktop, but I really need to change this
>     > keyboard.
> 
>     Than, perhaps, you should start with learning how to change the
>     "keyboard"?
> 
>     -thh
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

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